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[Euchre]

Nothing like sweet opiates to mask the reality, is there?

Don't be deceived into believing silence is peace. It is more often a sign of death.

[krystyn]

My goodness, that sounds ominous. And threatening. Are you threatening the cookies?

COOKIE THREAT LEVEL: SALMONELLA

[Lovek]

Holy swizzlesticks, is this conversation still going on?

Come on everybody, group hug.

Look! krystyn made cookies!

I think things can be summed up like this: There were some guidelines, they faded away, they were asked to be put back in place. Some like it, some don't. If you like, then everything's roses. If not, then you'll probably eventually leave #unfiction if you haven't already.

No hard feelings. Everybody's friends. I don't think anyone's going to hate anyone for having their own opinion. But in the end, it's just a chatroom. We can all get along with each other and within our own lives whether it exists for us or not.

[Euchre]

The conversation will end one of two ways:
1. Something truly decisive occurs, and everyone will know what to expect. They will act accordingly.
2. Nothing is decided, and the problem - be it 'inappropriate topics' or 'a lack of rules' - will return sooner or later, and each incident will lead to less community until there is no real community left. When that all comes about depends purely on the nature of the incident.

Cookies and group hugs are no better for this matter than blindfolds at Armageddon - but hey, you'll feel better accepting the destruction. I guess if that works for you, what you had before didn't matter anyway.

[addlepated]

Did you just compare a minor disagreement in an IRC room to Armageddon? And say that it's going to destroy the ARG community?

Okay, what about my suggestion earlier for #uf to be the family-friendly room and another general ARG chat room for adults?

[Euchre]

Let's not be petty about analogies - there's an obvious matter of scale.
Didn't say the ARG community would die, but the IRC channel community is a subset of the ARG community that effectively stands to die as it is. It would be fair to say though that cancer spreads, and can be very slow. I've been part of online communities and seen them rise, flourish, and die. I've seen where they've reached their peak and of course in retrospect seen what led to their deaths.

There's always been someone with a plate of cookies.

[vpisteve]

OK, here's what to expect: Folks just carry on with perhaps a little chilling effect having happened on certain topics of conversation.

This really isn't hard, and it's certainly not as big a deal as everyone's made it out to be. There are no new rules, nobody's being watched (at least any more than ops have always watched the channel).

There is no us vs. them here, seriously. Channel ops are there to facilitate things, and when users and other ops expressed concern to me about certain discussions, some to the extent that they've been actually avoiding #uf because of it, I passed it on as light-handedly as I possibly could. Or at least that was my intention.

What followed was basically "OMG NO RULES!" vs. "OMG DEFINE THE RULES AS I DON'T WANT TO BREAK THEM!"

But in the midst of that was some good discussion which needed to happen, i think.

And in the end, I think this is as decisive as it's gonna get: Nobody ever said anything about rules, certainly nobody is ever going to be kickbanned for anything. Just....please tone it down, and yeah, that'll mean different things to different people, but that's ok. It's part of the "playing nice" part.

That's all.

[Gupfee]

Cookies!

[Vecheeso]

New Channel

[thebruce]

[Gregoriev]

I think it's worth mentioning that I, as I put it

[ScarpeGrosse]

As you yourself were not in there, allow me to clarify my point and place it in better context.

It was in response to this comment:

[redct]

Okay, first, let's try not to drag as many people into this as we can.

Second, I would not say that involved persons have twisted this into "us versus them and their shitty rules". Like many before me (including me) in this thread have argued, there are rules... no! they're guidelines... no! they're unspoken rules... no! there are no rules!. It's just a difference of opinion of all the different people: what do you count as a rule? As for me, I would say there are some unspoken (and now sort of spoken) rules that are quite sensible but have gone a little too far - but, let's not get into that again. As for "us versus them", it's seeming like this is trending towards that (even to the point that there are new channels being created, people are leaving, etc.). However, I think that the trend can be reversed if people stop thinking about this with an "us vs them" mentality and start being a bit more reasonable (on both sides).

And now, back to me intently staring at this thread hoping for a conflict resolution.

[Euchre]

I'll try to be as fair and balanced as I can, but I make no illusions that what I say will be given any real consideration. Why I feel that way is illustrated below:

When concerning the matter of respect, I think that is in fact a chief issue here. The problem is that most (if not all) are using a subjective idea of respect. I consider this:

[natas]

I've been in #unfiction only a few times and only stayed very shortly, but since reading this thread, I had to go visit to watch the fight.

But.... There is no fight there. What the hell? Everyone is polite. This is craziness, pure craziness I tell ya.