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[ALISDAIRPARK]

Assuming the picture on pages 188 & 189 isn't a red herring we def need the dimensions of the right sword...and also exactly where to put it ... although we might get arrested for graverobbing from the looks of it...

Alternatively, I can't remember the name of the previous treasure search book that was part of the inspiration for this, however the treasure was found at the end of a shadow from a statue. So if we can find the right location there might be a relevant statue there?

re the directions on pg 146, having looked at them again I'm confused the Field Marshall's village must be Welbourne, but to cross Ermine street you'd have to double back on yourself, plus the route wouldn't match the description... so unless the Field Marshall's village is to do with the tractors I think it's a red herring

[Molnar]

[Professor Tarr]

[bookworm]

The village is located in Lincolnshire. Seem that there are numerous indications that it might be the place.

Where I am having problems is in the specific object. There are soooo many possibles, depending on which path your trod. Any help?????

[bookworm]

The previously suggested date may be incorrect. Since the indicated Saint's feast is celebrated on two different days, it may be the below date.

[Professor Tarr]

I keep coming back to that path thing...

[Professor Tarr]

I also keep coming back to the answers being all found in the manuscript at this point... it seems concise.

THe first page of the manuscript is filled with things we haven't solved. (or at least, THIS part of we haven't...)

THe last page has to be more than a list of cities mentioned in the MC.

So for your chosen date - is that the feast date, or the feast plus 90?

Isn't there some cipher somewhere we can solve for this???

[Professor Tarr]

Is the picture on page 189 a roman lighthouse?

[bookworm]

I think the best way to approach this is to treat it as real historical fact. All the players in this quest are real and the events are real. Whether or not the treasure is real........ well, that is to be seen. But the challenge of solving this will have been enjoyable anyway.

Elias of Dereham created the manuscripts and hid the object/date/location in them. Everything you need is there. The journal and other papers of the Professor are there to help us with puzzles and clues and such to figure out what Elias hid in the manuscripts.

I figured out how Elias hid the Date using the text of the "Scheme of the Winds", which he wrote. There is also directions encoded for the location in this text.

There are some significant clues found in the manuscript for the object also, but I haven't quite figured that out.

[Professor Tarr]

Location is coded there as well? Isn't it the standard text from the Scheme of the Winds? Then that means we have to bounce it off of another part of the manuscript to make it have clarity - like you had done with the date sword... So if we take those four winds, and all their minor components... where else do we find those words? Ugh...

Or is this where the pentagrams come in...? Just guessing because of hte prevalence of starting letters.

How do we use that last page?

[bookworm]

Taking the "Winds" text and translating the non-winds words you get the below. Then you need to apply this to the 4 locations page with the other clues given you, and figure the connection.

[Professor Tarr]

So if I understand you correctly, you are saying that the real Elias coded that message (much as a chronogram was coded during those days) and was leading us to a specific location. The puzzle makers insightfully noted this, and used that same destination to add verisimillitude and depth to the game and we have to use those clues on the quadrant locations to find a solution.

Wow... I'm not disagreeing, I just never would've got there from here... nor am I sure how to apply it, but that's another story.

Very interesting...

[bookworm]

This is why I said to arrive at the solution, you need to treat the whole scenario as historical truth.

[Professor Tarr]

Very cool...

I'm hung up on how to apply it, but very cool.

Now since we've pretty much exhausted the Scheme of the Winds then, we must be having to use some technique for deciphering all the stuff on the front page... based on some text therein.

I assume that all those little graphics are meaningful in some way - not just as red herrings or story, but as puzzle of some kind. I have long felt that the Fleur De Lis window (the ROMANUS one...) is a grid that longs to be filled in with something. But what? And why?

Interesting that the St ZU (or whatever it says) looks almost identical to a stained glass window in Lincoln. Only it was St. UZ or something there...

Not that it probably matters a whole lot, but did you solve the Zodiac and the 3 stars in the journal? Even beyond solving the whole puzzle, those intrigue me because they long to be deduced.

[bookworm]

The pictures on the first page, and other pages of the manuscript appear to be all related to the English coronation ceremony.