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vpisteve
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Just a reminder
Those of you who know me know that I'm a pretty hands-off kinda guy, but things have gotten to the point that (after consulting some fellow channel ops) I need to make this gentle and friendly reminder to those who frequent any of the #irc channels:

While I'm all for free speech and having fun in IRC, please keep in mind that there can be (and usually are) minors present in-channel at any given moment. Therefore, overt discussion of sexual topics, along with similar behavior, isn't really a good idea.

I'm certainly not pointing at anybody specific, it's just a general trend I've been observing that I think we merely need to adjust at this point.

Thanks for understanding.

Have fun.

Play nice.

No orgies.

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VQ.Wavecrest
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 		I'm away a few days and I learn via surfing the forums that there are rules in the IRC chat? And I thought there are legal issues with children under the age of thirteen being on the internet without being supervised or something similar?

I'm sure there aren't orgies or anything going on in the few days I haven't logged in. If so, I sure as heck missed out! Laughing

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 		Definitions
Hello there, I'm in #unfiction frequently. I would like to know the definition of 'overt' in this case. Even the 'f' word can be considered 'overtly offensive' or sexual to some. So I'd appreciate the specifics on this. I would rather know the specifics of this rule/idea so that I'm not violating rules I didn't know existed. Also, if 'overt' considers specific topics, can you tell or list somewhere the off-limits topics?

Thank you for helping to make the #unfiction chatting experience better for everyone Smile
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VQ.Wavecrest wrote:
I'm away a few days and I learn via surfing the forums that there are rules in the IRC chat? And I thought there are legal issues with children under the age of thirteen being on the internet without being supervised or something similar?

I'm sure there aren't orgies or anything going on in the few days I haven't logged in. If so, I sure as heck missed out! Laughing


As an unfictioner under 18, I'd like to point out that the issues are with collecting data from under-13ers, not them being online.
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 		I don't thnk it's a matter of rules - afaik there aren't any "rules", it's just a matter of general respectability given the potential audience that might be there.

honestly, I find this community to be some of the most mature, respectable people around, let alone online. There's no reason the chat room can't be the same Smile
but that's just one guy's opinion. =)
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air_wick
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I think we should be 100% clear on what is being asked of all of us in #uf. If the issue is about the *administration* of the channel not liking the topics discussed, then let's say that.

Bringing out the tired old "omg, please someone think of the children" argument is an appeal to emotion, thereby dodging any personal responsibility by passing personal concerns off as being those of the community or society. Basically, it boils down to being a red herring. After all, minors are people too. They can make their choices to stay or not stay.

Personally speaking: as someone who valued (for the last three years) the intermittent open discussions about sexuality, I am very sad to see that attitude of tolerance take its leave. Sexuality is not something to be ashamed of in any discussion arena, nor is it something we can avoid.

Peace,
AW

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addlepated wrote:
Yes! Thank you! Brownie


Ditto.
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vpisteve
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air_wick wrote:
I think we should be 100% clear on what is being asked of all of us in #uf. If the issue is about the *administration* of the channel not liking the topics discussed, then let's say that.

Bringing out the tired old "omg, please someone think of the children" argument is an appeal to emotion, thereby dodging any personal responsibility by passing personal concerns off as being those of the community or society. Basically, it boils down to being a red herring. After all, minors are people too. They can make their choices to stay or not stay.

Personally speaking: as someone who valued (for the last three years) the intermittent open discussions about sexuality, I am very sad to see that attitude of tolerance take its leave. Sexuality is not something to be ashamed of in any discussion arena, nor is it something we can avoid.

Peace,
AW


There are no new "rules," nor any morality police. All I'm saying is to keep in mind that there are probably folks under 18 in there at any given moment. It's not a red herring or way to pass off my own personal concerns, as I'll engage in discussion about just about anything without offense. But there are things I won't discuss in the presence of a 14-year old, ya know what I'm sayin'?

And that's really all I'm saying, guys. It's just something I'm asking folks to keep in mind.
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Euchre
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 		So the adolescent sexual jokes are no longer allowed, just the adolescent 'your mom' jokes that many of the channel management seem to love. Wink

Man, I'm gonna miss those text orgies. The verb conjugation can get pretty wild in there. You know those dangerous adjectives - could lead to dancing!
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VQ.Wavecrest
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vpisteve wrote:
There are no new "rules," nor any morality police. All I'm saying is to keep in mind that there are probably folks under 18 in there at any given moment. It's not a red herring or way to pass off my own personal concerns, as I'll engage in discussion about just about anything without offense. But there are things I won't discuss in the presence of a 14-year old, ya know what I'm sayin'?

And that's really all I'm saying, guys. It's just something I'm asking folks to keep in mind.


So... if I understand this right, no over stuff, but nobody's defining what "overt" is.

And before you tell me "use common sense," my common sense is telling me that for all the time I've used the room, nobody seemed to care what was being discussed--if they did, they usually held separate conversations with other people (it's a chatroom, more than one conversation goes on at a time).

No offense, but I'm kinda agreeing with air_wick at this point. I'll stay away til I figure out a good definition of what you guys expect. Don't want to cause unnecessary trouble. Smile

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redct
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 		Okay, besides what I said above, here's my short little op-ed on this topic:

I do agree with air_wick. If this IS an issue about not liking certain topics, that's more of a case by case matter - I think most things should be left as is.

However, if there is a problem with too much "sexual" talk, use your common sense. Some minors are a lot more mature about it than others. I don't like to talk/brag about myself, but I would say I'm relatively mature about it. Don't be mistaken - I'm a high schooler - I'm guaranteed to laugh at "penis jokes" most of the time, but when you're actually serious about it, it's talking about it on a different level. Then, I would say that I am (and I would venture to say most of us) are quite mature about it there. You could even say most of us are maturely immature. Smile

So, like most things in life: use your common sense, have your seriousness/penis jokes in moderation.
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Euchre
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 		OK, so slightly more seriously than last time...
There is already a very basic and mostly technical set of rules for the IRC chat:
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4439
Notably there is but one brief item addressing the behavior or subject matter used in the channel:
Quote:
* Don't use offensive or abusive language either on channel or in private.

Doesn't really say anything about topical matter other than a very vague matter of what one might find offensive.

Another thing I have to wonder about - if this is "not pointing at anybody specific" and "after consulting some fellow channel ops" then basically one would think the problem must lie below the ops level, which basically leaves the one and only half-op (there were two, but my status as such vanished) and the users. Considering that, I am supposing that when following the discussion with us here and at least some of the ops, then one of the channel ops brings eating babies into the conversation (without any prompting by others) that one can not predict at all what might be 'offensive' and inappropriate.

Now do you see how confusion arises?
When I first became aware of the IRC channel I figured it was meant to support the core purpose of uF - another medium for ARG/CF interaction. After a less than appealing start there, I was informed otherwise. Now we uh... well...

Yeah...
Confused
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 		Re: ...
vpisteve wrote:
... But there are things I won't discuss in the presence of a 14-year old, ya know what I'm sayin'?


I think this is the heart of the matter. There are things I might not discuss in front of a 14-year-old too, but I don't make calls for other people to follow the same rules I hold myself to. Nor can I expect others to agree with me about what others may find inappropriate - regardless of age. I don't want to jump into the moral relativist cesspool here, That's why we establish compromisory ground rules, which we did by agreeing to use chat-sol's servers and bill's previously posted guidelines.

I do feel it necessary to point out that (to the best of my knowledge) in three years not -once- has anyone been kicked, banned or chastised for discussing topics of a sexual nature. Not once have any kind of rules of discussion been attempted to be implemented, perhaps because both the nature of IRC and many of the people who use it are resistant to that kind of thing, as we are discovering now (that's my own personal theory).

Maybe the question to ask, rather than debate about "rules" is: what has changed in the last week, after three years of what was more-or-less equilibrium? I certainly feel less welcome there already, and I'm not the only one, judging by the posts above.

AW

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You have a good point: what is the point of an arbitrary policy change after it's worked all this time?

"If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

air_wick wrote:
vpisteve wrote:
... But there are things I won't discuss in the presence of a 14-year old, ya know what I'm sayin'?


I think this is the heart of the matter. There are things I might not discuss in front of a 14-year-old too, but I don't make calls for other people to follow the same rules I hold myself to. Nor can I expect others to agree with me about what others may find inappropriate - regardless of age. I don't want to jump into the moral relativist cesspool here, That's why we establish compromisory ground rules, which we did by agreeing to use chat-sol's servers and bill's previously posted guidelines.

I do feel it necessary to point out that (to the best of my knowledge) in three years not -once- has anyone been kicked, banned or chastised for discussing topics of a sexual nature. Not once have any kind of rules of discussion been attempted to be implemented, perhaps because both the nature of IRC and many of the people who use it are resistant to that kind of thing, as we are discovering now (that's my own personal theory).

Maybe the question to ask, rather than debate about "rules" is: what has changed in the last week, after three years of what was more-or-less equilibrium? I certainly feel less welcome there already, and I'm not the only one, judging by the posts above.

AW

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