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deepblerg
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dposse wrote:
wow, i can't believe the amount of speculation tht this thing has created. All it took was a weird ten minute video on YouTube and a phone number to get people all crazy. We don't even know what the hell all of this is.....


I've been lurking on this one since it started and I too am amazed at the attention its received. I must admit its been done very well, its so off-beat and surreal. I hope whatever is revealed/released on January 16 is big!

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 		Jagoda/Duke
It seems probable that Chuck Jagoda is the Duke mentioned in the poem which means he's likely also the the Duke mentioned a few pages later who owns the Chateaus (and spoke with Voltaire) and also likely the Duke mentioned in the video (who was told by Voltaire to plant his family tree in the arts ie gave him orders to use the museum to spy). This has led me to believe that A. Chuck is very well off and that B. Voltaire is a high ranking official (human or otherwise) that acts as a liason between Jagoda and Blackstar as well as a general overseer/informant. Voltaire may even be a programed AI (like a hovering camera bot that flies around town spying and monitoring and relaying orders to BS lackeys) or a group of people that works for BS as a sort of interum police force.

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 		Went to Elsa's in MKE, which was mentioned in the credits...waitress mentioned that the Elsa's on the Park is just the HQ and the owner opened up a bar in NYC called Bar 89....anyways, I went due to the fact that it is THE place to go for hamburgers here as well..

....also, Cool Dog drunk MR version looks a bit like the chateau in the booklet...

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 		if dor123 is debussy winning the prix de rome, then it makes dor0 2007, making the blackstar merger in 2003. if the dates correspond, then act time started in 1998. Now, this makes TRO time begin in 1707, which leads me to believe that perhaps this isn't an accurate side by side comparison.

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 		Re: Jagoda/Duke
BlessedBlogger wrote:
It seems probable that Chuck Jagoda is the Duke mentioned in the poem which means he's likely also the the Duke mentioned a few pages later who owns the Chateaus (and spoke with Voltaire) and also likely the Duke mentioned in the video (who was told by Voltaire to plant his family tree in the arts ie gave him orders to use the museum to spy). This has led me to believe that A. Chuck is very well off and that B. Voltaire is a high ranking official (human or otherwise) that acts as a liason between Jagoda and Blackstar as well as a general overseer/informant. Voltaire may even be a programed AI (like a hovering camera bot that flies around town spying and monitoring and relaying orders to BS lackeys) or a group of people that works for BS as a sort of interum police force.


voltaire is talking to a machinist who lives in a chateau...I don't know if the duke is also a machinist or if it's a completely different person, but what strikes me about that page is the sentance that reads "if only we could all be entities of voltaires powerclass". First off it doesn't clearly say that he's human, just an entity...that's a bit odd and then the reference to powerclasses (also mentioned on page 11 in the incentives) we should maybe ask MR or mars or someone what powerclass they are and so on and so forth.

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dposse wrote:
wow, i can't believe the amount of speculation tht this thing has created. All it took was a weird ten minute video on YouTube and a phone number to get people all crazy. We don't even know what the hell all of this is.....


Come now, little Kaworu...
An accurate statement, for sure, mais c'est le jeu! Very Happy

I think we've reached another point where all we have is speculation and conjecture. The only context we have for anything relating to anything is that they're all connected to TIMM, and that's about it. Until now, most of what we've tried has been repeated, once, if not twice or more, because some new posters are of the tl;dr mentality. That's getting us nowhere.

We have at this point, 2 web videos (each with a separate youtube username), 1 flickr account with the M:ARH scans, 2 facebook accounts, and 1 twitter account. On top of this, there are what, 3, 4, phone numbers? Multiple email addresses, and so on. Our available information has become cumbersome and unwieldy, and none of it seems to fit just right. The wiki helps, because it's the only place to organize everything, but I feel it's not being used as much as it could be.

What we need to do is start moving in a concerted direction. Instead of random phone calls to Mike Russo, let's put together a list of pointed questions that need answering (missing links, if you will). The same should be done for emails to Mars Madison and posts to the Young Professionals of Milwaukee group on Facebook set up by Lipps Leroux. All these people have their own agendas, and its obvious that we need to play to them in order to get what we're looking for... Mars needs friends, and to feel like she belongs, so let's play into that. Lipps is a communications director for Blackstar, so let's ask her Blackstar related questions, etc...

We're among the smartest minds outside of the LHC, I'm sure of it. Very Happy But, we're fragmented by the amount of information we have, and the organizational structure we've got.

In the words of the great sage, Tim Gunn: "Make it work."

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 		You've got a great point. It's a good idea - but how do we go about parsing all of the information, as well as coordinating who's asking what and so forth.

Great idea, now we just have to figure out how to get it done.

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 		Agree
more use of the wiki
synspark wrote:

I think we've reached another point where all we have is speculation and conjecture. The only context we have for anything relating to anything is that they're all connected to TIMM, and that's about it. Until now, most of what we've tried has been repeated, once, if not twice or more, because some new posters are of the tl;dr mentality. That's getting us nowhere.

We have at this point, 2 web videos (each with a separate youtube username), 1 flickr account with the M:ARH scans, 2 facebook accounts, and 1 twitter account. On top of this, there are what, 3, 4, phone numbers? Multiple email addresses, and so on. Our available information has become cumbersome and unwieldy, and none of it seems to fit just right. The wiki helps, because it's the only place to organize everything, but I feel it's not being used as much as it could be.


I agree. The wiki could be doing a lot more work for us than it is at present. To avoid the danger of polluting our own information-set, we obviously all have to be careful to keep our personal and subgroup's speculations to a "Speculation" section on each page. But that is doable. We just have to be reasonable about only placing sourced stuff outside such a section, except on marked "Only a Theory/Guess" pages, which we can then start to sum-up and link together the various possible in-game story lines and solution strategies that could use coordination. If we mark our references and don't get bogged down in in-fighting for our pet ideas, we can get a handle on the info+noise that we are dealing with.

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 		Re: Agree
more use of the wiki
NotMeAtAll wrote:
synspark wrote:

I think we've reached another point where all we have is speculation and conjecture. The only context we have for anything relating to anything is that they're all connected to TIMM, and that's about it. Until now, most of what we've tried has been repeated, once, if not twice or more, because some new posters are of the tl;dr mentality. That's getting us nowhere.


We have at this point, 2 web videos (each with a separate youtube username), 1 flickr account with the M:ARH scans, 2 facebook accounts, and 1 twitter account. On top of this, there are what, 3, 4, phone numbers? Multiple email addresses, and so on. Our available information has become cumbersome and unwieldy, and none of it seems to fit just right. The wiki helps, because it's the only place to organize everything, but I feel it's not being used as much as it could be.


I agree. The wiki could be doing a lot more work for us than it is at present. To avoid the danger of polluting our own information-set, we obviously all have to be careful to keep our personal and subgroup's speculations to a "Speculation" section on each page. But that is doable. We just have to be reasonable about only placing sourced stuff outside such a section, except on marked "Only a Theory/Guess" pages, which we can then start to sum-up and link together the various possible in-game story lines and solution strategies that could use coordination. If we mark our references and don't get bogged down in in-fighting for our pet ideas, we can get a handle on the info+noise that we are dealing with.


shouldn't the wiki sites be used for known information rather than as a clearinghouse for every random theory or variation of theories that arise in the future? my suggestion is this same goal could simply be accomplished here by creating another thread or so. good idea, btw, i just don't know how much different this is from what we're doing now. if you move the speculation off-site you run the risk of further confusion and dilution of the information pool...

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 		Re: Agree
more use of the wiki
EnsO wrote:
NotMeAtAll wrote:

I agree. The wiki could be doing a lot more work for us than it is at present. To avoid the danger of polluting our own information-set, we obviously all have to be careful to keep our personal and subgroup's speculations to a "Speculation" section on each page. But that is doable. We just have to be reasonable about only placing sourced stuff outside such a section, except on marked "Only a Theory/Guess" pages, which we can then start to sum-up and link together the various possible in-game story lines and solution strategies that could use coordination. If we mark our references and don't get bogged down in in-fighting for our pet ideas, we can get a handle on the info+noise that we are dealing with.


shouldn't the wiki sites be used for known information rather than as a clearinghouse for every random theory or variation of theories that arise in the future? my suggestion is this same goal could simply be accomplished here by creating another thread or so. good idea, btw, i just don't know how much different this is from what we're doing now. if you move the speculation off-site you run the risk of further confusion and dilution of the information pool...


Not necessarily. Just use the talk page. Take a page out of Lostpedia's book. All conjecture is on the talk page. As things solidify, they get moved to the front page. I concur - the wiki is the most organized way about it. The forum is great for talk and updates...more of a timeline. But all these formulas, anagrams, charts, photoshops, etc need to be in one place in an organized fashion.
Anything else I can say past this is just rehashing what everyone else is saying. Meanwhile - I'll see you all at the wiki!

Also, for the lazy or forgetful: I created a few links to easily get to different TIMM resources - in case you don't want to bookmark, or are AFK.
http://bit.ly/timmf - unfiction forum trailhead for TIMM
http://bit.ly/timmw - thebruce's TIMM wiki

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 		Re: Agree
more use of the wiki
drpfenderson wrote:
EnsO wrote:
NotMeAtAll wrote:

I agree. The wiki could be doing a lot more work for us than it is at present. To avoid the danger of polluting our own information-set, we obviously all have to be careful to keep our personal and subgroup's speculations to a "Speculation" section on each page. But that is doable. We just have to be reasonable about only placing sourced stuff outside such a section, except on marked "Only a Theory/Guess" pages, which we can then start to sum-up and link together the various possible in-game story lines and solution strategies that could use coordination. If we mark our references and don't get bogged down in in-fighting for our pet ideas, we can get a handle on the info+noise that we are dealing with.


shouldn't the wiki sites be used for known information rather than as a clearinghouse for every random theory or variation of theories that arise in the future? my suggestion is this same goal could simply be accomplished here by creating another thread or so. good idea, btw, i just don't know how much different this is from what we're doing now. if you move the speculation off-site you run the risk of further confusion and dilution of the information pool...


Not necessarily. Just use the talk page. Take a page out of Lostpedia's book. All conjecture is on the talk page. As things solidify, they get moved to the front page. I concur - the wiki is the most organized way about it. The forum is great for talk and updates...more of a timeline. But all these formulas, anagrams, charts, photoshops, etc need to be in one place in an organized fashion.
Anything else I can say past this is just rehashing what everyone else is saying. Meanwhile - I'll see you all at the wiki!

Also, for the lazy or forgetful: I created a few links to easily get to different TIMM resources - in case you don't want to bookmark, or are AFK.
http://bit.ly/timmf - unfiction forum trailhead for TIMM
http://bit.ly/timmw - thebruce's TIMM wiki


Frankly, it would be nice to have just one place where a list of conjectures could be found and ticked off/updated as we know more information about them without having to deal with everyone's speculations flooding that thread so that we lose the OP on which the information lays. Not sure if the Wiki is the best place to do this or if someone wants to make another post and make the OP the source for specs but at 82 pages JUST for the main thread... cleaning house is looking pretty nice.

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 		Ok, from the persepective of a long-time ufer and wikiguy, I'd suggest - don't be afraid of making new threads for specific topics that will garner fruitful discussion. TIMM is still only if CF w/Potential - if it gets big enough, it can get its own forum and sub-categories. No need to feel restricted to 1 or 3 threads.

Wiki: Speculation, IMO, is fine on the wiki, but as mentioned, kept to the Talk: pages - the main pages should contain only facts, references, connections, etc.

There's a "Puzzles" page on the wiki, that imo would be filled with outstanding mysteries and specific puzzles being worked on. Right now, that's pretty much the entire thing Smile so it should probably be kept to tangible puzzles/tasks...

I created a "Beginner's Guide" page that should get updated asap to give a good starting point for people coming in. There's just so much chaotic random information in this crazy thing that, even just reading over the pages from this weekend, I couldn't help but chuckle to myself at how ridiculous all this sounds Laughing. All I picture is someone reading a thread page, watching the video, seeing how "logically" and "realistically" we're all chatting and simply going W...T...F. Very Happy

here's the range of info as I see it:
Wiki page: facts, connections, references
Talk page: sound theories, ideas, a quick location to point people to for what's being discusssed in...
Forum threads: discussion and exploration of theories, research, thoughts, etc

and depending on the nature of a thread, I'd suggest whoever creates it include/update the first post with links, and current info where possible... not always possible, again, depending on the nature of the thread.

And again I stress - don't be afraid of making threads (but try to make it relevent, not just random threads, especially if the subject's already being discussed somewhere productively). Enough threads and activity, and it'll all get moved to its own forum area.

Just some suggestions from my opinion...
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thebruce wrote:
Ok, from the persepective of a long-time ufer and wikiguy, I'd suggest - don't be afraid of making new threads for specific topics that will garner fruitful discussion. TIMM is still only if CF w/Potential - if it gets big enough, it can get its own forum and sub-categories. No need to feel restricted to 1 or 3 threads.

Wiki: Speculation, IMO, is fine on the wiki, but as mentioned, kept to the Talk: pages - the main pages should contain only facts, references, connections, etc.

There's a "Puzzles" page on the wiki, that imo would be filled with outstanding mysteries and specific puzzles being worked on. Right now, that's pretty much the entire thing Smile so it should probably be kept to tangible puzzles/tasks...

I created a "Beginner's Guide" page that should get updated asap to give a good starting point for people coming in. There's just so much chaotic random information in this crazy thing that, even just reading over the pages from this weekend, I couldn't help but chuckle to myself at how ridiculous all this sounds Laughing. All I picture is someone reading a thread page, watching the video, seeing how "logically" and "realistically" we're all chatting and simply going W...T...F. Very Happy

here's the range of info as I see it:
Wiki page: facts, connections, references
Talk page: sound theories, ideas, a quick location to point people to for what's being discusssed in...
Forum threads: discussion and exploration of theories, research, thoughts, etc

and depending on the nature of a thread, I'd suggest whoever creates it include/update the first post with links, and current info where possible... not always possible, again, depending on the nature of the thread.

And again I stress - don't be afraid of making threads (but try to make it relevent, not just random threads, especially if the subject's already being discussed somewhere productively). Enough threads and activity, and it'll all get moved to its own forum area.

Just some suggestions from my opinion...


Well said. In retrospect, I didn't mean to threadjack, but the discussion needed to be had. I'm a motivator, not a planner or organizer, but you guys have done a great job of putting it into words.

If we can get it working, so our infinite ducks are in infinite rows, we'll be set. I'll then have no problem, three weeks in, with telling people to RTFW (read the ... wiki Smile).

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 		also, if/when TIMM gets its own forum, important threads can be stickied, such as FAQ's and Guides and whatnot - rather than continuously pointing people to wiki pages and whatnot (that can get annoying and tedious) chances are, newcomers will have already seen the stickied threads. So just cuz it's on a wiki doesn't mean it can't be posted in the forum Wink
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synspark wrote:
dposse wrote:
wow, i can't believe the amount of speculation tht this thing has created. All it took was a weird ten minute video on YouTube and a phone number to get people all crazy. We don't even know what the hell all of this is.....


Come now, little Kaworu...
An accurate statement, for sure, mais c'est le jeu! Very Happy

I think we've reached another point where all we have is speculation and conjecture. The only context we have for anything relating to anything is that they're all connected to TIMM, and that's about it. Until now, most of what we've tried has been repeated, once, if not twice or more, because some new posters are of the tl;dr mentality. That's getting us nowhere.

We have at this point, 2 web videos (each with a separate youtube username), 1 flickr account with the M:ARH scans, 2 facebook accounts, and 1 twitter account. On top of this, there are what, 3, 4, phone numbers? Multiple email addresses, and so on. Our available information has become cumbersome and unwieldy, and none of it seems to fit just right. The wiki helps, because it's the only place to organize everything, but I feel it's not being used as much as it could be.

What we need to do is start moving in a concerted direction. Instead of random phone calls to Mike Russo, let's put together a list of pointed questions that need answering (missing links, if you will). The same should be done for emails to Mars Madison and posts to the Young Professionals of Milwaukee group on Facebook set up by Lipps Leroux. All these people have their own agendas, and its obvious that we need to play to them in order to get what we're looking for... Mars needs friends, and to feel like she belongs, so let's play into that. Lipps is a communications director for Blackstar, so let's ask her Blackstar related questions, etc...

We're among the smartest minds outside of the LHC, I'm sure of it. Very Happy But, we're fragmented by the amount of information we have, and the organizational structure we've got.

In the words of the great sage, Tim Gunn: "Make it work."


I can't agree with you more, mon ami. If we combine our power, we will be a powerful force, for sure! It'll be much better then just sitting around and endlessly speculating. Let's hit 'em hard and fast!

P.s. - what does "mais c'est le jeu" mean?

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