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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet
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EnsO
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 		Re: RE: Page 27
regentswift wrote:
Here's where I'm currently stumped:

We essentially have a many-to-many relationship defined by this table.

We have letters mapped to numbers. Numbers have multiple letters. Some letters are mapped to multiple numbers, but sometimes to the same number multiple times (e.g., E and E 3 are both mapped to 2).

Originally I thought that this described respective nodes and vertexes, but being that we know that this is described as a simple graph, this means that there is only one path between any two nodes. Even if this is a directed graph, which would mean two paths between any two nodes (one from A to B, and one from B to A), the subscripts on the numbers go as high as R 4 .

I think we're either missing a key piece of information, or going about this wrong. If we had groupings for them (if the cells were arranged in pairs, or in some kind of order) this would make a lot more sense.

Thoughts?


this is what blows my mind also. to me, the blank cells are key. obviously, at least one of the blank cells is the number 7. it has to be. i see that as necessary to make this string of coordinates/ variables/ numbers (whatever you want to call them at this point) work in any logical fashion.

once we can figure out the blanks, we can figure out how to map the resulting information i think. but you're right about the relationship of many to many here. that is what is so darn frustrating. what is more important here, letters or numbers and how do they relate to each other?

bummer, man...

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synspark wrote:
[img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/32903188@N05/3077646204/sizes/l/in/set-72157610578386669/[/img]

Quote:
If there is anything in this tome you find confusing or unclear, we urge you to reread it several times, perhaps from a different perspective...or maybe after a good night's rest.


This jumped out at me as a literal command. I don't think they mean figurative perspective, but the way you orient the pages.

Could be wrong, but it's all I could think of when I read that.


Maybe it has something to do with the "dark dollar" orientation instructions in the beginning? I don't know if anyone's suggested this already - I tried to go through the pages and see but I may have missed something, who knows!

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EnsO
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thebruce wrote:
I'll mention it again, re: the superscripts. Every cell is a unique letter/#, alphanumerically. Repeated letters are numbered sequentially (R, R2, R3, R4, etc), so IMO the use for the superscript numbers is known - an indication of of that letter's position in the entire sequence where that letter already exists. (ie the letter R(3) in row3col1 appears later than the R(1) in row2col2, if we're forming a long string)

sequentially (by superscript #/letter and main number):
Code:
A  6
E  2
E2 3
E3 2
F  0
G  -
H  2
I  9
I2 -
K  2
L  9
M  5
N  4
N2 -
O  1
O2 0
O3 -
R  4
R2 8
R3 5
R4 6
S  5
T  0
T2 -
U  0
U2 2
W  6
W2 0
Y  1
Y2 0


i agree with this line of reasoning to a point. this is the very same thing i have written on a scratch pad. now i'm stuck again.

it strikes one as extremely odd that the numeral 7 is completely absent in what amounts to a 30 character string of numbers, does it not? how do you explain that fact, using the letters as a guide for ordering the sequence and allowing the dashes to remain? (instead of filling in the blanks as RS and i both alluded to earlier.)

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 		I agree with the anagram/letter order theories, there's too much vowel coverage for it not to be a phrase.

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EnsO wrote:
it strikes one as extremely odd that the numeral 7 is completely absent in what amounts to a 30 character string of numbers, does it not? how do you explain that fact

Oh I didn't mean to imply that the sequential order is the correct order; that was just to demonstrate the uniqueness and sequentiality(?) of every letter/# superscript value.

IMO the cells could appear in ANY order, excepting that letters with higher 'count's appear later than the same letter with a lower count. Now, if there weren't cell values as well, I'd say the letter counts were insignificant (why would it matter which R came first?) But because there are main numbers in the cell, the position of similar letters would be significant, thus the 'count' numbers.

One theory I have is that the numbers, in a specific order, may represent digits to a numeric string (of "1"-"25") that could be converted to letters.

eg, number "8 5 1 2 1 2 1 5 2 3 1 5 1 8 1 2 4" would be 85121215231518124 = HELLOWORLD.
That would allow for 0 usage (in "10" or "20").
"-" could then be a word break: 85121215-231518124 = HELLO-WORLD
OR missing letters/digits to determine: 8-1212152-1518124 = H?LLO?ORLD

So the key in that case would be finding the correct path (either by superscript implying numbers are important, or by numbers implying letter order is important) that creates a string that converts to a phrase, whether the - is a missing letter or a word break.

But that's just an idea that's been brewing...
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EnsO
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 		another interesting tidbit:


-0H02M15S
CH124
>
SP


the channel and numbers appearing just before TIMM video starts. the number 124 appears in the grid on pg 26. some more intrigue pointing to the fact that the grid is not related to the info in the X and Y axes.

maddening...

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EnsO wrote:
the symbol by Grand Rapids looks like beach umbrellas to me? (another umbrella reference).


I thought they looked like mushrooms.

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EnsO
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thebruce wrote:
EnsO wrote:
it strikes one as extremely odd that the numeral 7 is completely absent in what amounts to a 30 character string of numbers, does it not? how do you explain that fact

Oh I didn't mean to imply that the sequential order is the correct order; that was just to demonstrate the uniqueness and sequentiality(?) of every letter/# superscript value.

IMO the cells could appear in ANY order, excepting that letters with higher 'count's appear later than the same letter with a lower count. Now, if there weren't cell values as well, I'd say the letter counts were insignificant (why would it matter which R came first?) But because there are main numbers in the cell, the position of similar letters would be significant, thus the 'count' numbers.

One theory I have is that the numbers, in a specific order, may represent digits to a numeric string (of "1"-"25") that could be converted to letters.

eg, number "8 5 1 2 1 2 1 5 2 3 1 5 1 8 1 2 4" would be 85121215231518124 = HELLOWORLD.
That would allow for 0 usage (in "10" or "20").
"-" could then be a word break: 85121215-231518124 = HELLO-WORLD
OR missing letters/digits to determine: 8-1212152-1518124 = H?LLO?ORLD

So the key in that case would be finding the correct path (either by superscript implying numbers are important, or by numbers implying letter order is important) that creates a string that converts to a phrase, whether the - is a missing letter or a word break.

But that's just an idea that's been brewing...


interesting but still doesn't explain why every numeral from 0-9 is utilized in the grid except 7. that just can't be ignored imho. i think the blanks have to be filled in. the cell borders are darker than the others, suggesting a solution cell (as in Excel). in fact, to take it a step further, i think the column must be solved for each blank at the bottom. just not sure the pattern or solution yet...

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GMcG wrote:
EnsO wrote:
the symbol by Grand Rapids looks like beach umbrellas to me? (another umbrella reference).


I thought they looked like mushrooms.



hahaha! is that you, ChuckDideEate?

Mr. Green

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EnsO wrote:
another interesting tidbit:
CH124

the channel and numbers appearing just before TIMM video starts. the number 124 appears in the grid on pg 26. some more intrigue pointing to the fact that the grid is not related to the info in the X and Y axes.

THAT's where I saw 124 before! Supports the thought I had about the 2nd row's "set", only opposite what I thought... I thought perhaps 2010 was the 'odd one out' (appearing in the video), if the others were all dates something happened (minus millenium, or by DOR/ACT)

But if 2010 and 124 both appear in the video, perhaps two of 3, 84 or 7 also appear, making one of those the odd one out.
The obscurity of the "odd one out" theory for each row is fairly upheld too...

row1: numbers to travel in, but the fibb sequence breaks at 27 (which should be 24)
row2: numbers/values that appear in the video in relatively hidden places (3, 84 or 7 is odd)
row3: prime numbers (where T being 20 is excepted because 3000/150=20) - this was from the prof mentioned earlier (making U, 21, odd)

row 4 and 5? Dunno

so that's running with that theory... which may or may not be right Razz
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EnsO wrote:
interesting but still doesn't explain why every numeral from 0-9 is utilized in the grid except 7. that just can't be ignored imho. i think the blanks have to be filled in. the cell borders are darker than the others, suggesting a solution cell (as in Excel). in fact, to take it a step further, i think the column must be solved for each blank at the bottom. just not sure the pattern or solution yet...

Well, my comment didn't even address the importance of the main cell values except potentially as a way to determine an order, if the letters are what's important (the solution).

The existence of a 7 would only be important, IMO, if every number between 0 and 9 being used was important. If, however, the values in the cells are just counts for some function or other, then it may just be chance that '7' doesn't exist.

I'd like to think that 7 is as important as the other values, since sorting the cells by value looks like it's key to a pattern as well.

So, the way I see it, there are various ways to sort the cells, and both by superscript and by value produce results that appear to be indicative of a pattern for some form of cipher. That's as much as I see though...

anyone got any other profs they could present these pages to for analysis? Razz
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 		Here's a bunch of conjectures:


  1. Current residents of Milwaukee pieced together the dinosaurs and people living together picture on Page 3 based on unearthing a creation museum after the 300 Troubles.

  2. They're confusing what they call "dinosaurs" with the dinosaurs they found in the museum.

  3. Their dinosaurs are magnetic robots. M in M-rotor stands for magnetic. (Page 8 of the ARH booklet says, "Magnetism also played a role. By DOR 200, the use of turbines was well established.")

  4. Compasses helped the humans detect approaching dinosaurs because they'd point towards magnetism. (Page 8: "...with the replication of the compass in 180, the playing field was finally level.)

  5. Brass weaponry was necessary because brass is a metal that is not magnetic. (Page 9: "So while no one can be sure, it seems certain that man's freedom from the dinosaurs coincided with the advent of the Brass Age.")

  6. The Brass Age could not take place until the underwater trade routes were established (Page 8: Dinosaur Viceroy says, "...will never invent a machine that travels under the sea." Page 9: "...submarines." followed by above statement about the Brass Age. Also note the dotted line to Wichita on the Page 0 map. Maybe that's underwater.)

  7. People in the video behave strangely in the video when the 60 Hz hum occurs because of its magnetic basis.

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landtuna wrote:
(Page 9: "So while no one can be sure, it seems certain that man's freedom from the dinosaurs coincided with the advent of the Brass Age.")


Maybe we're talking about fossil fuels here.

Go.D.S.E.E.D. was built to provide a new source of energy.

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bjaardker wrote:
landtuna wrote:
(Page 9: "So while no one can be sure, it seems certain that man's freedom from the dinosaurs coincided with the advent of the Brass Age.")


Maybe we're talking about fossil fuels here.

Go.D.S.E.E.D. was built to provide a new source of energy.


What makes me think that the "freedom from dinosaurs" is to be taken literally is that, besides there being a Dinosaur Viceroy, the Page 3 caption sounds surprised that dinosaurs and men once lived in peace.

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landtuna wrote:
Here's a bunch of conjectures:


  1. Current residents of Milwaukee pieced together the dinosaurs and people living together picture on Page 3 based on unearthing a creation museum after the 300 Troubles.

  2. They're confusing what they call "dinosaurs" with the dinosaurs they found in the museum.

  3. Their dinosaurs are magnetic robots. M in M-rotor stands for magnetic. (Page 8 of the ARH booklet says, "Magnetism also played a role. By DOR 200, the use of turbines was well established.")

  4. Compasses helped the humans detect approaching dinosaurs because they'd point towards magnetism. (Page 8: "...with the replication of the compass in 180, the playing field was finally level.)

  5. Brass weaponry was necessary because brass is a metal that is not magnetic. (Page 9: "So while no one can be sure, it seems certain that man's freedom from the dinosaurs coincided with the advent of the Brass Age.")

  6. The Brass Age could not take place until the underwater trade routes were established (Page 8: Dinosaur Viceroy says, "...will never invent a machine that travels under the sea." Page 9: "...submarines." followed by above statement about the Brass Age. Also note the dotted line to Wichita on the Page 0 map. Maybe that's underwater.)

  7. People in the video behave strangely in the video when the 60 Hz hum occurs because of its magnetic basis.


I think this is the most cohesive idea that I have heard so far from anyone on this game. They stole the technology from the dinosaurs, meaning they killed them with brass weapons and dissected them.

Compass, brass, it all makes sense. That's why the compass pointed to specific dinosaurs instead of directions.

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