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[INFO] "Milwaukee: A Reasonable Haven" Informational Booklet

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synspark
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teufelsdrochk wrote:

FeloniousDrunk wrote:

Beeswax wrote:

I'd say that table is too accurate to be a coincidence.

The same units on each axis - and those GeV numbers are pretty random.

What puzzles me though is that when I click on the link it wants me to pay to read the article. Any chance you could copy it here?

Simulations of muon-induced neutron flux at large depths underground

Oh, sorry -- I'm at a university library and I guess we have some kind of special access to that journal. Hopefully this counts as fair use:

There's a much bigger article, but it's pretty heavy.

edit: found another link. (PDF) or Google HTML-ized (no images)

Mwe (megawatt electrical) and GeV_mu (muon energy in giga electron volts) would work for x and y if the abscissa were, say, the power of a fission power plant nearby, and the mantissa were the energy of observed muons. Not that anyone is observing muons--I think neutrinos are the rage.

Please quote the article. It's up in the left hand side.

How did you find this again? My google search doesn't turn it up.

Oy vey. Here we go again. m.w.e. in terms of this table (in the MARH book) is depth. it is NOT energy. Meters-of-Water-Equivalent. It's about flux pass-through.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:31 am

FeloniousDrunk
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teufelsdrochk wrote:

Mwe (meters of water equivalent) and GeV_mu (muon energy in giga electron volts) would work for x and y if the abscissa were, say, the power of a fission power plant nearby, and the mantissa were the energy of observed muons. The quoted table is saying that you observe x number of cosmic ray muons at y energy for a range of different detectors (edit actually E_mu is probably a flux of some kind). Please quote the article. It's up in the left hand side.

As for the table in the booklet, my vote is nonsense or code. Physics isnt helpful.

How did you find this again? My google search doesn't turn it up.

And, why do you say the numbers in this table and those in the booklet match 'perfectly'? I don't see a match at all.

What do you mean "it's up in the left hand side"? It's a pretty long and dense article and I don't want to anger EnsO and synspark any more by quoting it, but the PDF link (http://www.citebase.org/fulltext?format=application%2Fpdf&identifier=oai%3AarXiv.org%3Ahep-ex%2F0303007) works.

The google search was for "muon gev 150 226 273 304 324" (no quotes).

The numbers do match perfectly, it's the third column of the article's Table 2 for the values of 1~5 km.w.e.

Just to clarify, I'm not saying the body of the table on p. 26 has anything to do with physics at all -- although I did find another source for the 3 6 9 15 27 line that related that sequence to the orbital spacing of Jupiter's moons -- just that the source of the mwe's and the first line GeV's is from some sort of muon physics article.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:47 am

teufelsdrochk
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teufelsdrochk wrote:

So either it's important or the PM just looked up a fancy-looking chart to make a puzzle. I'm just flabbergasted that the internets could find the original research!

you gotta ask, with the whole tone of this thing, whether the PM are just having a go at ARGs. Tables look like nonsense to me.

Oh, but for giggles (and b/c its one of my fav ARG tools), the online encylopedia of integer sequences (tinyurl.com/7xmvs) turns up nothing Smile

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:12 am
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SubGothius
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Re: Mike Russo
Reliable leak source?

kyuurijanaidesu wrote:

SubGothius wrote:

Finally, the Wikipedia page for Steganography linked to a specialized IE-based browser called Camera/Shy, which can reveal steg. info hidden in the .GIF images displayed on a given Web page. The thing is, Camera/Shy apparently needs us to specify a password to identify and decode .GIFs with embedded steg. info therein. Interestingly, the wiki link for Camera/Shy actually led to the wiki page for the Hacktivismo project which created it, and what does the Hacktivismo logo on that page look like, hm? Shocked

Possibly unrelated but given the way of things with this particular ARG I doubt it: Mars mentioned being "shy" but then said "maybe not shy, but kind of introverted." Possibly a reference to this Camera/Shy thing being important?

Actually, I've already posted an inquiry to Mars Madison's Facebook Wall:

I wrote:

Wow, we have the same birthday! Same as John Lennon (tho' personally I look more like Vladimir Lenin! :^). Perhaps we can celebrate (very) belatedly together when I arrive. BTW, no pictures yet? You say you're shy, but are you camera shy too? ;^D

We'll see if she responds to that last bit in any significant way. Wink

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 1:13 am

atomicthumbs
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Sadly, if there is steganographic information hidden in the images we will not be able to decode it: they do not have a Pro account, which would allow us access to the originals.

The only thing available if the user doesn't pay $25 for a Pro account is the Large-size images, which are scaled down to 1024 pixels in whatever dimension makes sense. If they get a Pro account, they can enable original-size downloading (or it might enable itself automatically, I don't remember).

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:16 am

sampowers
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6 9 15 27
4 8 15 16 23 42? hehe

Quote:

http://mymilwaukee.wikibruce.com/414-688-8914#Nemesis_Of_Mole.27s_call_with_Mike_Russo

I called him up and asked him about Sector 21, Its apparently an important place, very vital to the future of the area but also VERY dangerous he said. Currently he said that there's not all that much to be said about the area though. He also stressed yet again the importance of teens traveling in groups of 3 or multiples of 3. He then stressed the number sequence "6 9 15 27" as numbers to travel in.

The PMs have dropped what I think is a very important hint in a call with a guy on the SA forums which is now logged on the wiki. 3 6 9 15 27 are in the table on MARH page 26.

Sorry if we've gone over this already and I just missed it, but I think we're barking up some wrong trees here and should re-examine the info we've got from Russo and Joey in light of the new questions raised by the MARH packet.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:30 am

sampowers
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atomicthumbs wrote:

You're right about that, dang it. Do you think this is why all the EXIF data was stripped from the images? As I understand it, that's where flickr gets its "photo taken" date from too, which would explain the 1900 date there.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:31 am

EnsO
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Re: Mike Russo
Reliable leak source?

SubGothius wrote:

If the Stegosaurus is a clue that Steganography is being used, and Mike Russo's handwritten note on that page insisted that illustration should stay in the book, we might reasonably infer that Russo is (was?) in on the covert information-leak effort.

Also re: Stegosaurus, note it's the only dino on the compass illustration that doesn't have a needle/arrow pointing to it or even near it. "Look at the hand itself, not where it points to."

Finally, the Wikipedia page for Steganography linked to a specialized IE-based browser called Camera/Shy, which can reveal steg. info hidden in the .GIF images displayed on a given Web page. The thing is, Camera/Shy apparently needs us to specify a password to identify and decode .GIFs with embedded steg. info therein. Interestingly, the wiki link for Camera/Shy actually led to the wiki page for the Hacktivismo project which created it, and what does the Hacktivismo logo on that page look like, hm? Shocked

looks like a creepy lookin guy with maybe boots and a recording device of some sort, hm? Shocked

sorry, not getting the revelation here, (i want to, but it's maybe just not clicking?)

*wandering over to the cupboard for some chicken soup and a coupla advil. it was decent.*

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:35 am

kyuurijanaidesu
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Re: Mike Russo
Reliable leak source?

SubGothius wrote:

kyuurijanaidesu wrote:

SubGothius wrote:

Actually, I've already posted an inquiry to Mars Madison's Facebook Wall:

I wrote:

We'll see if she responds to that last bit in any significant way. Wink

Oohh, VERY well done!

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:41 am

EnsO
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FeloniousDrunk wrote:

teufelsdrochk wrote:

just to be clear, i wasn't angered in the least by your theories my friend! far from it, in fact. i subscribe to mostly Eastern philosophies (Buddhism in particular- note the name and av). one of the principle mantras of the Buddha was to doubt everything, specifically your teachers.

i question out of respect and a desire for truth. as i posted earlier, (to Syno, maybe?) science is about testing and re-formulating hypotheses. it's just that simple.

i value your theories as much as my own or anyone else', my friend! let's figure this damn thing out!

Idea

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:53 am

SubGothius
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Re: Mike Russo
Reliable leak source?

atomicthumbs wrote:

I wasn't expecting the M:ARH scans to have anything for that reason and also because they're not .GIFs (Camera/Shy can only insert/extract data in .GIFs). There's prolly some other page with a .GIF or two on it we could decode, if only we had the password and/or "signature" to detect and decode it -- Camera/Shy has two key fields, a password and signature, which can be the same string or two different strings. With a plausible password/signature in hand, the first site I'd check is the original TIMM site itself -- I noticed the Blackstar logo between the Synydyne and NIM logos, unlike those two logos, is not hotlinked to anything, and all 3 logos are .GIFs. Wink

EnsO wrote:

SubGothius wrote:

...the wiki link for Camera/Shy actually led to the wiki page for the Hacktivismo project which created it, and what does the Hacktivismo logo on that page look like, hm? Shocked

looks like a creepy lookin guy with maybe boots and a recording device of some sort, hm? Shocked

sorry, not getting the revelation here, (i want to, but it's maybe just not clicking?)

Nono, up towards the top, the white-text-on-black Hacktivismo logotype -- what's that thing before the word Hacktivismo itself? Look like something you've seen before? Twisted Evil

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:59 am

kyuurijanaidesu
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Re: Mike Russo
Reliable leak source?

SubGothius wrote:

atomicthumbs wrote:

EnsO wrote:

SubGothius wrote:

...the wiki link for Camera/Shy actually led to the wiki page for the Hacktivismo project which created it, and what does the Hacktivismo logo on that page look like, hm? Shocked

looks like a creepy lookin guy with maybe boots and a recording device of some sort, hm? Shocked

sorry, not getting the revelation here, (i want to, but it's maybe just not clicking?)

Nono, up towards the top, the white-text-on-black Hacktivismo logotype -- what's that thing before the word Hacktivismo itself? Look like something you've seen before? Twisted Evil

It...looks like a cleaver? Is there something we're missing here you'd like to let us in on? XD

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:10 am

FeloniousDrunk
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EnsO wrote:

Sorry if I snarked out of place, I was feeling a little beaten down on the whole physics thing and I thought it was a decent lead. It does have problems with the whole split axis deal, but I'm not one to give up on a problem so easily. The physics thing may only be a key to get to an intermediate puzzle. I've been learning crap I never wanted to about muons from that paper, and I only ever took Physics 101. OTOH you smelled me out, I was once a (not physics) teacher... but I'm as clueless as anyone else in this.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:35 am

EnsO
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FeloniousDrunk wrote:

EnsO wrote:

my original post on this subject stands. granted, the X and Y axes may very well be accurate and correlate in some physics domain i don't understand, nor do i care to. this was never my point. my point concerns misdirection.

my original point, and the one i adhere to vehemently, is that the body of the graph/ table (5x5) simply is not an accurate representation of values associated with the X and Y axes as one would expect

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:58 am

FeloniousDrunk
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me wrote:

Just to clarify, I'm not saying the body of the table on p. 26 has anything to do with physics at all -- [...] -- just that the source of the mwe's and the first line GeV's is from some sort of muon physics article.

I think we're all pretty clear by now on where you stand on the whole math and physics and x- and y-axis issue. Some of us might want to explore it a little further. If that's OK with you.

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:04 am

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