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BlessedBlogger
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Playing around with the fax image I placed it over the map of cities in the handbook and I also played a bit with the 'thumb print' in Photoshop. Here's what I got. Not that this necessarily means anything, just giving folks ideas and showing what's already been done so we don't waste time. I think my husband has a barcode scanner. I'll trying scanning the print when he gets home and see if that leads anywhere.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:36 pm
horkheimer
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Joined: 24 Nov 2008 Posts: 21 Location: Milwaukee
Maybe the number that was found with the solution of the last grid (1230768000) has something to do with this.. Since the fax was only sent after it was found...
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 6:43 pm
onedreamofsleep
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Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 17
Our team in Bayview, Milwaukee is printing off the pages and making a transparency of the fax to overlay....I'm thinking perhaps the hand motions are how to align the fax over each page....note how the Mayor's League is highlighted in either version of the fax overlay...also, I find it interesting that in the first overlay, the circle is present until the "ball drops" after Almost Right...any thoughts on that?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:14 pm
teufelsdrochk
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BlessedBlogger wrote:
Playing around with the fax image I placed it over the map of cities in the handbook and I also played a bit with the 'thumb print' in Photoshop. Here's what I got. Not that this necessarily means anything, just giving folks ideas and showing what's already been done so we don't waste time. I think my husband has a barcode scanner. I'll trying scanning the print when he gets home and see if that leads anywhere.
Well, they're too well-resolved to be complete accidents. You can see here that they're legit circles (these are the middle two 'bcodes'). Also, they appear in negative when the background is black.
Fax artifact? Probably. Still interesting, though.
Here's my best effort with the map.
This would be a fantastic way to do a dead drop, but it doesn't look like much yet. Some kind of folding or rotating is needed, perhaps?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:55 pm
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FeloniousDrunk
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Joined: 05 Dec 2008 Posts: 37
Posted this in the M:ARH thread. It didn't rouse too much excitement but that X placement seems to be pretty well sited to fit on the p.26 grid.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:16 pm
arcolz
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Joined: 08 Dec 2008 Posts: 10
I think those lines of screwy pixel are most likely fax artifacts. If you look closely at the text at the top of the page, they have the same weird lines of pixels.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:22 pm
teufelsdrochk
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arcolz wrote:
I think those lines of screwy pixel are most likely fax artifacts. If you look closely at the text at the top of the page, they have the same weird lines of pixels.
Well, no, actually, they don't.
Do some work if you want to poo on someone else's ideas.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:26 pm
thebruce
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Joined: 16 Aug 2004 Posts: 6899 Location: Kitchener, Ontario
fax: information printed by the receiving machine in fax will likely be clear without artifacting - it's already black and white. information printed that was scanned from the sending machine and converted to black and white will almost certainly contain artifacting or dithering, thus IF there are codes hidden on a pixel-detail level , it'll be so noisy you can't trust the accuracy of any analysis.
All I see when I look at the the black and white PNG are 5 symbols and a header. That's as much info that cleaned from that fax, imo, as far as I'm concerned. But you're welcome to keep analyzing it, because you never know. =P
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:32 pm
arcolz
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Not pooing on anyone's ideas. My scan might be different, but attached a blown-up version of the scan I downloaded. See how certain vertical lines have weird sections of pixels, same as the "thumbprint" area around the X. I could always be wrong, but I think the PM's can't change the text at the top of the fax, and therefore data couldn't be stored in the weird pixels.
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:43 pm
canebrake
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Joined: 02 Dec 2008 Posts: 14
large images Hey, can you guys post slightly smaller images? The really big ones are making life difficult for me.
Thanks!
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:56 pm
teufelsdrochk
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Hmm, well I merged the map from bruce's screenshots:
Now that it's done I don't see how it could be useful, but still a nice thing to share.
The M:ARH booklet seems to suggest starting out with TWO dark dollars, then manipulating these symbols.
The black star is the only fax symbol that doesn't appear, suggesting that it (and not the X) is the destination.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 9:50 pm
Peekaboo
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Joined: 10 Dec 2008 Posts: 1
Jagoda and the Fax I seem to recall that one of the things Mike said in a recent call with someone (I can't find the call, but it happened after the table on page 27 of M:ARH was solved and the date Jan, 1, 2009 was discovered) was that we really wanted to be paying attention to what Chuck Jagoda was doing in the next couple of days. I'm thinking maybe what he's doing or the places he's headed might also play into deciphering the fax? He's currently in BBC (Decatur). If we say that the 'marked' X is where he's starting, has anyone tried superimposing the fax onto the map of the cities in M:ARH with the X over Decatur?
My own gut instinct with the tiny circles in the fax is that it's not anything. I'd think if they wanted to hide hidden images and messages in something, they'd do it in an e-mailable file because faxes tend to do poorly at holding onto fine detail. However, on the off chance that it is something, has anyone considered morse code or semaphore (since we already know semaphore was used in the video)?
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:16 pm
Renton
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I'd really like it if someone took a photo of their fax with a camera, so we can maybe see what the area around the X would look like to someone receiving it over their fax machine rather than seeing a scan.
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:22 pm
BlessedBlogger
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Barcode The more I look at the 'thumb print' the more it looks like a 2D barcode (a data matrix code, possibly PDF417) to me. Like the kind you see on shipping labels. I've run it through a couple barcode decoder programs and this is what I got:
I wish I had more time to play with this but I'm super busy tonight. I'll mess with it some more later tonight.
If you're curious you can read up on the various barcode types here: http://www.adams1.com/stack.html
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:26 pm
BlessedBlogger
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Re: Jagoda and the Fax
Peekaboo wrote:
If we say that the 'marked' X is where he's starting, has anyone tried superimposing the fax onto the map of the cities in M:ARH with the X over Decatur?
Yes, I did and so did teufelsdrochk (with better luck I should add).
Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:29 pm
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