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What branch are you?

Lucian

23%

[ 9 ]

Ekaterina

41%

[ 16 ]

Janus

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[ 8 ]

Tomas

15%

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sdaytime
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Joined: 06 Jan 2009
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Re: I think I know what branch Amy and Dan are in.

aliceinwunderland wrote:

Hunter6 wrote:

http://various.wikibruce.com/39Clues#Miscellaneous
That website shows a video, and if you pause at the right time it will show a line saying Dan pointing to the Tomas crest and Amy pointing to the Ekaterina crest

I think that is called bait and I am not taking it.

Okay, both of you have reasonable points there. But think about it. The places Dan and Amy were put in make sense. Amy is always figuring out problems when they get into a situation. And Dan is a very headstrong person. Those qualitys match what branch it is told, or implied, or shown, that they are in.

Another way to Look at it is process of elimination. Both Dan and Amy said themselves that the wouldn't belong to Janus. Consiter the following:

Dan:
(1) Ekaterina - Dan doesn't ever show much thinking in plans or other things.
(2) Lucian - Think. Does Dan really seem that devious? Deviousness needs at least some intelligence, and Dan is smart, but not in the way the Lucians are.
(3) Tomas - Makes sense, doesn't it?

Amy
(1) Tomas - Amy isn't that brave or outgoing, as most of the Tomas' seem to be, currently, or in history. After all, what Tomas would be afraid of jumping out of a window onto a tarp?
(2) Lucian - I really don't think Amy has the guts to be that devious.
(3) Ekaterina - Once again, makes sense.

That's my thoughts on the subject.

----------------------

One thing to think about is the gold theory. The theory that the ultimate power is being able to create gold. I have some proof that that is a reasonable theory. Listen to this.

Quote:

Dear Mrs. Shelley,

I am writing to confirm the receipt of your urgent letter. We have not yet begun to print "Frankenstein," but are scheduled to start tomorrow. it is highly irregular to make a change this late. However, the tone of your letter suggest that this correction means a great deal to you, therefore I will make the adjustments.
I must say that I was surprised by the arrival of your letter. i found it rather frightening when a hooded figure approached me on the street holding a letter. Why could you not send it through the post?
I shall add these strange lines about the "dreams of forgotten alchemists" and the others, although I have no idea what they mean. I will also honour your equally strange request to keep Lord Byron away from the printing premises. You certainly keep strange company.

Yours Sincerely,

J. Harding

Publisher
Lackington, Hughes. Harding
Mayor & Jones

There was also a note attached that said:

Quote:

Chapter 13-
1st sentence

I looked up what the sentence was online, and this was it.

Quote:

"I now hasten to the more moving part of my story. I shall relate
events that impressed me with feelings which, from what I had been,
have made me what I am.

Any ideas? I'm lost at this point.
But that's why I'm sticking behind the gold theory.

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 4:06 pm

janusgrl95
Guest

Amy and Dan's branches
Here's what I think...

Amy:
She's really smart and can weasel her way out of problem situations really fast. (look at card #1 Cool

She also said she probably wasn't a Janus. From what I've seen of her, I don't think she's a Tomas. So that means she's either an Ekat or a Lucian.
Ekat:
Positives: Walking encyclopedia, always is levelheaded, has a logical solution to most problems, and knows who and who not to trust.
Negatives:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Got into Lucian stronghold surprisingly easily

Lucian:
Positives:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Entered their stronghold surprisingly easily

sneaky, can get out of tight spots fast
Negatives: Hates most Lucians she knows

Dan:
Probably wouldn't be a Janus or Ekat. I'd say he's either a Lucian or Tomas.
Lucian: Same as Amy. See above.
Tomas:
Positives: Very outgoing and semi-destructive, (like the Holts, but not as athletic), knows Parkour.
Negatives: Not as athletic as the Holts.

Conclusion:
I personally think Dan and Amy don't really belong in any of the branches that we know of. I mean, they're the grandchildren of the multitalented Grace. I think that 4 of Amy and Dan's great-grandparents are from different branches, because I can't really see either of them being in one particular branch. Wink

Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:33 pm

BEDOMII
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Joined: 09 Dec 2008
Posts: 173
Location: my house, my street, ENGLAND,

Re: Amy and Dan's branches
Here's what I think...

[quote="janusgrl95"]Amy:
She's really smart and can weasel her way out of problem situations really fast. (look at card #1 Cool

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Got into Lucian stronghold surprisingly easily

Lucian:
Positives:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):

Entered their stronghold surprisingly easily

About the great-grandparents, it would be one each of Hope and Arthur's paternal and maternal grandparents. I find it REALLY suspicious that both Grace and Hope kept the Cahill name for them and their children. So, if what I'm saying is correct, Amy and Dan are a recombination of the four branches, therefore they're not in a branch.(/quote)

Soz about shootin ur theory I'm flames but neither of them really want to be famous, amy is actually scared of being in the spotlight, admitibly dan had a Lucian moment in the Janus stronghold, and it was dan whobgot into the stronghold by watchin irana type in the pass, which ISA Lucian type of thing, and there dad loved ninja stuff and he was a tomas, dan likes ninja stuff 2, amy is a douce of source of knowledge, her mum was a scientist and amy is very bookish and follows her mums footsteps quite slot and dan with his dad is quite simerler. So coupled with the video and there overall actions, amy is a Ekat(like me) and dan is a tomas

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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:24 pm

Kato Hearts
Boot

Joined: 09 Jan 2009
Posts: 25

Phosphorus

My theories on the phosphorus:
One: It gives off light without flames or sparks. This could mean something is hidden in an area with flammable gases.
Two: Maybe it could be poured into a series of clear pipes creating a map or something.

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:01 pm

Hunter6
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Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 148
Location: Redmond, Washington USA

Re: Phosphorus

Kato Hearts wrote:

But I don't think it's both. Very Happy

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Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 12:01 am

sheadeel
Boot

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 28

Wrap your head around this
and tell me what you think

I know the idea of alchemy and gold is

. The CAHILL's are RICH!!!!!!! see Clue Finder Guide it tells you look at pg 10 recent Cahill acquisition: gold. There are three money cards: old style money, current day money, and gold. They are also COMMON cards. The secret archive for all three talks about billionaires and the billions of dollars they have spent for years. Bang Head

They have no need for money. Screwy

So I start thinking to myself. Frankenstein holds the truth, and start searching through Grace info and Useless Facts mentions eternal life. Frankenstein is death brought back to life. So I start thinking maybe she is going for eternal life, but what is the point the two people she loves disappeared?
So on the Cahill Web search page I notice Victor Wood's name. What is with him? Shifty Eyes

Why do I have his card? I click on his name then viewed his resume. It mentions gold and alchemy several times, then right near the bottom

Quote:

Interests: String Theory as it relates to experimental chemistry

That is just like Grace. So I Wikipedia String Theory

Quote:

Since its birth as the dual resonance model which described the strongly interacting hadrons as strings, the term string theory has changed to include any of a group of related superstring theories which unite them.
String theory strongly suggests that spacetime has eleven dimensions,[1] as opposed to the usual three space and one time, but the theory can easily describe universes with four observable spacetime dimensions as well.[2]

and

Quote:

String theory is a theory of gravity, an extension of General Relativity, and the classical interpretation of the strings and branes is that they are quantum mechanical vibrating extended charged black holes. The overarching physical insight behind string theory is the holographic principle, which states that the description of the oscillations of the surface of a black hole must also describe the space-time around it.

and

Quote:

An ordinary astronomical black hole does not have a convenient holographic description, because it has a Hawking temperature. String theories are formulated on cold black holes, which are those which have as much charge as possible.

OMG!! The hadrons and black holes are String Theory. So I pull up the CERN card and notice the outside edge has 'plan for disaster' following + and - pattern. I remember seeing on something that a certain message in code would be written below but when you read it, it says something like 'Beware the Ekats', Cern is Ekats, Holographs=MIB?
Useless Facts for CERN says

Quote:

CERN's scientists built the Large Hadron Collider, which accelerates small particles around a 17-mile loop where they collide into other particles at high speeds. No one really knows what will happen, though some frightening possibilities have been proposed. Some suggest that the collision will rip open the door to other dimensions. Others are scared that the experiments might create black holes that could destroy the universe. Like what? There's no way these guys are creating black holes for fun. I think these experiments are a cover for some top secret experiment that's too dangerous for the world to know about. Maybe the secret to eternal life? Ha Ha. Very funny. You might as well say they're turning straw into gold.

The last line made me think gold and eternal life are both

I think to myself repeated themes: chemistry, experiments, travel, Ekats, scientists
Question

Could it be that Fiske and Nathaniel Hartford time travelled?

Clue Finder Guide #2 has copy of obit with their 'unknown' disappearance brought to attention.
I went back to Cahill Web and see the article for MIT Compass Beloved Professor Dies in Fire and think what is MIT? I click on it and he taught nonlinear dynamics and quantum theory.
Idea

Holy Smoke!!!! That ties into the String Theory. So I head back to CERN info.
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/Large-Hadron-Collider-May-Destroy-the-Earth
I had noticed the retraction at the bottom of article and the web links but always ignored them. I gave them a try.

Shocked Silly

OMG! They all work. Mr. Green

Take a look for yourself, but why are the sites for #4 and #5 the same Question

I done for now, but tell me what you think.

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:38 pm

Ekatprof
Unfettered

Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Posts: 400
Location: Where there's internet access

Very nice theory. Very Happy

The connection you made between the cards is excellent. Your theory seems to support the fact that Grace, Hope, Fiske, Beatrice and maybe even James Cahill were Ekats. Time travelling may seem a bit far fetched but seeing that this is a fictional story, maybe that is the answer..... Very Happy

P.S: Are you still interested in trading?

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:45 pm

sheadeel
Boot

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 28

Wrap your head around this
and trading cards

Ekatprof wrote:

Very nice theory. Very Happy

P.S: Are you still interested in trading?

It sure was fun to follow the connections even if they mean nothing. I also learned quite a bit about the String Theory.

and

Yes. I am not sure if you got my pm the other day, I think it was Thursday. I sent them out that afternoon so they are on their way Very Happy

Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:01 pm

ssgrouch
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 9

Re: Wrap your head around this
and tell me what you think

sheadeel wrote:

I had noticed the retraction at the bottom of article and the web links but always ignored them. I gave them a try.

Shocked Silly

OMG! They all work. Mr. Green

Take a look for yourself, but why are the sites for #4 and #5 the same Question

Those lines of text at the bottom of the article are called "references". Throughout the article you'll see the numbers 1 - 5 in parens (). This lets the reader know where the author found their information.

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:13 am

sheadeel
Boot

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 28

Re: Wrap your head around this
references

ssgrouch wrote:

sheadeel wrote:

I had noticed the retraction at the bottom of article and the web links but always ignored them. I gave them a try.

Shocked Silly

OMG! They all work. Mr. Green

Take a look for yourself, but why are the sites for #4 and #5 the same Question

Thank you for the refresher!! Embarassed

I started laughing because had it been the Wikipedia article I would not have thought twice about it!! Geek

Guess that is what happens 10 years out of school and that time spent in 3rd grade!! Dunce

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:01 pm

ssgrouch
Greenhorn

Joined: 29 Dec 2008
Posts: 9

Re: Wrap your head around this
references

sheadeel wrote:

Thank you for the refresher!! Embarassed

I started laughing because had it been the Wikipedia article I would not have thought twice about it!! Geek

Guess that is what happens 10 years out of school and that time spent in 3rd grade!! Dunce

No worries Smile

I'm new here and don't spend a lot of time on boards. Didn't know your age or experience, and there is the potential for quite an age range of posters for this game.

So, I'm guessing that 3rd grade teachers don't require their students to properly reference their work Razz

Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:47 pm

sheadeel
Boot

Joined: 07 Dec 2008
Posts: 28

My 3rd Graders
references

ssgrouch wrote:

sheadeel wrote:

Thank you for the refresher!! Embarassed

I started laughing because had it been the Wikipedia article I would not have thought twice about it!! Geek

Guess that is what happens 10 years out of school and that time spent in 3rd grade!! Dunce

No worries Smile

No, we are trying to get them to write a complete sentences with a subject, predicate, capitalization, and puctuation!!!
They can tell you that is what they need to do ARG

but then most forget to apply when they are asked to write (which is everyday). Bang Head

The ultimate goal being a paragraph with a topic sentence for a short report using The 6 Traits approach, Ideas, Organization, Sentence Fluency, Word Choice, Voice, and Conventions. The bibliography typically cites 2 sources, but there are very few 3rd grade teachers that would take on the task of teaching in text citations, endnotes, or footnotes. Screwy

Students need a little more practice and maturity to grasp those concepts!! Wink

I sure do love them though!! They are always teaching me something new. Last week, a boy tells me 7 times tables are easy, just count touchdowns!!! (including field goal) Mr. Green

Now I have a new way to present that to future classes.

Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:48 am

Hunter6
Veteran

Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Posts: 148
Location: Redmond, Washington USA

Re: My 3rd Graders
references

sheadeel wrote:

ssgrouch wrote:

sheadeel wrote:

Thank you for the refresher!! Embarassed

I started laughing because had it been the Wikipedia article I would not have thought twice about it!! Geek

Guess that is what happens 10 years out of school and that time spent in 3rd grade!! Dunce

No worries Smile

No, we are trying to get them to write a complete sentences with a subject, predicate, capitalization, and puctuation!!!
They can tell you that is what they need to do ARG

but then most forget to apply when they are asked to write (which is everyday). Bang Head

Students need a little more practice and maturity to grasp those concepts!! Wink

I sure do love them though!! They are always teaching me something new. Last week, a boy tells me 7 times tables are easy, just count touchdowns!!! (including field goal) Mr. Green

Now I have a new way to present that to future classes.

Please remember; this is a theory tread. Okay? Flaming Nutter

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Posted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:43 pm

Ekatprof
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Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Posts: 400
Location: Where there's internet access

Clue theory
Hmm..........

Now, the clues mixing into an elixir of life is looking quite bad especially when the sixth clue is mixed into the formula. We first thought that all 39 clues were coming from the periodic table but the sixth clue is not an element by itself.

The question is, what is the most abundent element in the sixth clue if we were to stick with the periodic table theory?

P.S:Yay!!! My 100th post!

Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:09 am

Wind Lane
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Location: NM - Albuquerque

Re: Clue theory
Hmm..........

Ekatprof wrote:

I'm still sticking with my philosopher's stone/gold creation theory, so consider this as me playing devil's advocate. Twisted Evil

It doesn't really debunk the elixir of life at all. The sixth clue is actually an ingredient in anti-venom to help with snake bites. Then there's always the thing about how most medicines are poison, but given in the right doses they actually provide healing or at least positive benefits.

A great example is cocaine. It's one of the worst drugs on the street, yet doctors can use it as a local anesthetic. Similar things can be said about morphine. It's not that the substance is inherently bad, it's all in how it's used.

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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 2:43 pm

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