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Maggie
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 		Re: Card 26:Marie Curie
Ekatprof wrote:
Am i right in seeing that on the back of card 26, there's a spelling error in the last line of the first paragraph.

Quote:
She then studied math, physics, and CHEMISTY at the University of Paris.


Does anyone's card 26 have the same error?


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 		1908 explosion in Siberia
I didn't know if this should be put in Theories or Mistakes, you choose!

In Maze of Bones Chapter 10, page 113

Maze of Bones wrote:
Ian said. "And I've read my family history, Alistair. The last time our branches fought, it didn't go very well for you lot, did it?"
...
"The 1908 explosion in Siberia," he said to Ian. "Yes, that was impressive. But we have more at stake this time."


On Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote:
Tunguska event

History

Leonid Kulik's party reached the site in 1927. To their surprise, no crater was to be found. There was instead a region of scorched trees about 50 kilometres (30 miles) across. A few near ground zero were still strangely standing upright, their branches and bark stripped off. Those farther away had been knocked down in a direction away from the center.
...
Chemical analysis showed that the spheres contained high proportions of nickel relative to iron, which is also found in meteorites, leading to the conclusion they were of extraterrestrial origin. The concentration of the spheres in different regions of the soil was also found to be consistent with the expected distribution of debris from a meteorite airburst.[16] Later studies of the spheres found unusual ratios of numerous other metals relative to the surrounding environment, which was taken as further evidence of their extraterrestrial origin.[17]


It goes on to suggest that an asteroid, when entering Earth's atmosphere changed to nuclear fusion, the reason why no evidence of a crater was ever found.

From that information, it would suggest that the Cahills are aliens from another planet.

EDIT:

Great 1908 Explosion wrote:
3-D Supercomputer Solves Mystery of the Great 1908 Siberian Explosion

The energy of the blast was estimated to be between 10 and 20 megatons of TNT — 1,000 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan. The explosion felled an estimated 80 million trees over 2,150 square kilometers, and measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

"The asteroid that caused the extensive damage was much smaller than we had thought," says Sandia principal investigator Mark Boslough of the impact that occurred June 30, 1908. "That such a small object can do this kind of destruction suggests that smaller asteroids are something to consider. Their smaller size indicates such collisions are not as improbable as we had believed."

...

The new 3-D simulation — which more closely matches the widely known facts of destruction than earlier models — shows that the center of mass of an asteroid exploding above the ground is transported downward at speeds faster than sound. It takes the form of a high-temperature fireball of expanding gas, which causes stronger blast waves and thermal radiation pulses at the surface than would be predicted by an explosion limited to the height at which the blast was initiated.

"Our understanding was oversimplified," says Boslough, "We no longer have to make the same simplifying assumptions, because present-day supercomputers allow us to do things with high resolution in 3-D. Everything gets clearer as you look at things with more refined tools."

The new interpretation also accounts for the fact that winds were amplified above ridgelines where trees tended to be blown down, and that the forest at the time of the explosion, according to foresters, was not healthy. Thus previous scientific estimates had overstated the devastation caused by the asteroid, since topographic and ecologic factors contributing to the result had not been taken into account.

"There's actually less devastation than previously thought," says Boslough, "but it was caused by a far smaller asteroid. Unfortunately, it's not a complete wash in terms of the potential hazard, because there are more smaller asteroids than larger ones."
...
Simulations show that the material of an incoming asteroid is compressed by the increasing resistance of Earth's atmosphere. As it penetrates deeper, the more and more resistant atmospheric wall causes it to explode as an airburst that precipitates the downward flow of heated gas.

Because of the additional energy transported toward the surface by the fireball, what scientists had thought to be an explosion between 10 and 20 megatons was more likely only three to five megatons. The physical size of the asteroid, says Boslough, depends upon its speed and whether it is porous or nonporous, icy or waterless, and other material characteristics. "Any strategy for defense or deflection should take into consideration this revised understanding of the mechanism of explosion," says Boslough.

Extraterrestrial fragments from the impact event have yet to be recovered. A team of Italian scientists believes that a hunk of asteroid may be in a nearby lake, buried deep within a submerged impact crater.

Although Sandia's report doesn't specify the likely size of the Tunguska asteroid, it demonstrates the threat of relatively small near-earth objects. And hard as it is to spot the massive rocks hurtling in Earth's general direction, such as the 1150-ft. asteroid Apophis, smaller asteroids are far more numerous, and even more difficult to track.

Posted by Casey Kazan.

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 		Re: 1908 explosion in Siberia
Maggie wrote:
I didn't know if this should be put in Theories or Mistakes, you choose!


From that information, it would suggest that the Cahills are aliens from another planet.


that is an intersting THEORY, but hen again they could have got mixed up with cheronybal(STILL cant spell)

EDIT: and it probably isnt that cahills were from outer space as there has been at least nine scince then. and rember, this is the LUCIANS doing it, so please dont go making up the fact were making new wepons. what could the lucians make with that amount of power??? Idea
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 		Re: 1908 explosion in Siberia
BEDOMII wrote:
that is an intersting THEORY, but hen again they could have got mixed up with cheronybal(STILL cant spell)

EDIT: and it probably isnt that cahills were from outer space as there has been at least nine scince then. and rember, this is the LUCIANS doing it, so please dont go making up the fact were making new wepons. what could the lucians make with that amount of power??? :Idea:


Wikipedia wrote:
Chernobyl disaster

The Chernobyl disaster was a nuclear reactor accident in the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant in the Soviet Union. It was the worst nuclear power plant disaster ever and the only level 7 instance on the International Nuclear Event Scale. It resulted in a severe release of radioactivity into the environment following a massive power excursion which destroyed the reactor. Two people died in the initial steam explosion, but most deaths from the accident were attributed to nuclear fallout.

On 26 April 1986 at 01:23:45 a.m. (UTC+3) reactor number four at the Chernobyl plant, near Pripyat in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, exploded. Further explosions and the resulting fire sent a plume of highly radioactive fallout into the atmosphere and over an extensive geographical area. Four hundred times more fallout was released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima.[1]


I even remember this incident happening.

Arrow Idea Spelling -- Right-click on any word that is in red and possibilities do come up.
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 		Re: 1908 explosion in Siberia
Maggie wrote:
Arrow Idea Spelling -- Right-click on any word that is in red and possibilities do come up.
Actually went through this with katsmom -- not everyone sees those red lines. The difference is the browser. I recall that IE doesn't do that for you.

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 		Re: 1908 explosion in Siberia
aliceinwunderland wrote:
Maggie wrote:
Arrow Idea Spelling -- Right-click on any word that is in red and possibilities do come up.
Actually went through this with katsmom -- not everyone sees those red lines. The difference is the browser. I recall that IE doesn't do that for you.


Bedomnii I am sorry. I hate bad spelling and I am dyslexic.
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 		It's fine I did that on safari(iPod touch) or microsoft internet
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 		Sapphire Snake & Ruby Rooster
I don't think this is a mistake, but I can't find any information on either.

Anyone who is Ekat, please see your archives under the stolen archive by Victor Wood.
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 		Re: Sapphire Snake & Ruby Rooster
Maggie wrote:
I don't think this is a mistake, but I can't find any information on either.

Anyone who is Ekat, please see your archives under the stolen archive by Victor Wood.


Quote:
To: The Tomas Leadership
From: Garfield Holt
Subject: Grace Cahill Update 11/7/1964

...
A local man we met told us that she was in Madagascar last year searching for antiquities such as the Sapphire Snake and Ruby Rooster necklaces.
...
... these artifacts were stolen from the personal treasury of Prince Rainier III of Monaco during his coronation ceremony and were never recovered.
...

The report was stolen from the Tomas, so Tomas can also see the report titled "Intelligence Report on Grace Cahill."

Maybe the Sapphire Snake and Ruby Rooster were related to Grace's Jade Dragon necklace.
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 		Re: Sapphire Snake & Ruby Rooster
sapagoo wrote:
Maggie wrote:
I don't think this is a mistake, but I can't find any information on either.

Anyone who is Ekat, please see your archives under the stolen archive by Victor Wood.


Quote:
To: The Tomas Leadership
From: Garfield Holt
Subject: Grace Cahill Update 11/7/1964

...
A local man we met told us that she was in Madagascar last year searching for antiquities such as the Sapphire Snake and Ruby Rooster necklaces.
...
... these artifacts were stolen from the personal treasury of Prince Rainier III of Monaco during his coronation ceremony and were never recovered.
...

The report was stolen from the Tomas, so Tomas can also see the report titled "Intelligence Report on Grace Cahill."

Maybe the Sapphire Snake and Ruby Rooster were related to Grace's Jade Dragon necklace.


Maybe there are 12 necklaces and snake, rooster and dragon necklaces are related to the Chinese zodiac. There are 12 animals in the zodiac which are the rat, cow, tiger, rabbit, dragon. horse, pig, dog, snake, rooster, monkey and goat. Maybe these necklaces are a clue or even 12 clues. That will explain why people are looking for them.

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 		This has been nagging me. I myself don't think its relevant, but still I'm posting it.
Grace Cahill has always been reffered to as Madame not Madam by McIntyre. Madame is a french word for madam. I don't think that Grace was French. Is it a mistake? Is it relevant? What do you think?

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parth2024 wrote:
This has been nagging me. I myself don't think its relevant, but still I'm posting it.
Grace Cahill has always been reffered to as Madame not Madam by McIntyre. Madame is a french word for madam. I don't think that Grace was French. Is it a mistake? Is it relevant? What do you think?


Grace might have been French or part French. James Cahill could have been French. Besides, a lot of Americans actually have their roots in Europe.

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 		But Madame is a term of respect from a subordinate to a superior. It may be nothing more than that. My TA called me madam until I explained the other meaning of the word. Now I'm Miss Rox (even though it should be Mrs.)

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Oh! Thanks!!!!! Very Happy

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 		Re: 1908 explosion in Siberia
Maggie wrote:
I didn't know if this should be put in Theories or Mistakes, you choose!

In Maze of Bones Chapter 10, page 113

Maze of Bones wrote:
Ian said. "And I've read my family history, Alistair. The last time our branches fought, it didn't go very well for you lot, did it?"
...
"The 1908 explosion in Siberia," he said to Ian. "Yes, that was impressive. But we have more at stake this time."


On Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote:
Tunguska event

History

Leonid Kulik's party reached the site in 1927. To their surprise, no crater was to be found. There was instead a region of scorched trees about 50 kilometres (30 miles) across. A few near ground zero were still strangely standing upright, their branches and bark stripped off. Those farther away had been knocked down in a direction away from the center.
...
Chemical analysis showed that the spheres contained high proportions of nickel relative to iron, which is also found in meteorites, leading to the conclusion they were of extraterrestrial origin. The concentration of the spheres in different regions of the soil was also found to be consistent with the expected distribution of debris from a meteorite airburst.[16] Later studies of the spheres found unusual ratios of numerous other metals relative to the surrounding environment, which was taken as further evidence of their extraterrestrial origin.[17]


It goes on to suggest that an asteroid, when entering Earth's atmosphere changed to nuclear fusion, the reason why no evidence of a crater was ever found.

From that information, it would suggest that the Cahills are aliens from another planet.

EDIT:

Great 1908 Explosion wrote:
3-D Supercomputer Solves Mystery of the Great 1908 Siberian Explosion

The energy of the blast was estimated to be between 10 and 20 megatons of TNT — 1,000 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan. The explosion felled an estimated 80 million trees over 2,150 square kilometers, and measured 5.0 on the Richter scale.

"The asteroid that caused the extensive damage was much smaller than we had thought," says Sandia principal investigator Mark Boslough of the impact that occurred June 30, 1908. "That such a small object can do this kind of destruction suggests that smaller asteroids are something to consider. Their smaller size indicates such collisions are not as improbable as we had believed."

...

The new 3-D simulation — which more closely matches the widely known facts of destruction than earlier models — shows that the center of mass of an asteroid exploding above the ground is transported downward at speeds faster than sound. It takes the form of a high-temperature fireball of expanding gas, which causes stronger blast waves and thermal radiation pulses at the surface than would be predicted by an explosion limited to the height at which the blast was initiated.

"Our understanding was oversimplified," says Boslough, "We no longer have to make the same simplifying assumptions, because present-day supercomputers allow us to do things with high resolution in 3-D. Everything gets clearer as you look at things with more refined tools."

The new interpretation also accounts for the fact that winds were amplified above ridgelines where trees tended to be blown down, and that the forest at the time of the explosion, according to foresters, was not healthy. Thus previous scientific estimates had overstated the devastation caused by the asteroid, since topographic and ecologic factors contributing to the result had not been taken into account.

"There's actually less devastation than previously thought," says Boslough, "but it was caused by a far smaller asteroid. Unfortunately, it's not a complete wash in terms of the potential hazard, because there are more smaller asteroids than larger ones."
...
Simulations show that the material of an incoming asteroid is compressed by the increasing resistance of Earth's atmosphere. As it penetrates deeper, the more and more resistant atmospheric wall causes it to explode as an airburst that precipitates the downward flow of heated gas.

Because of the additional energy transported toward the surface by the fireball, what scientists had thought to be an explosion between 10 and 20 megatons was more likely only three to five megatons. The physical size of the asteroid, says Boslough, depends upon its speed and whether it is porous or nonporous, icy or waterless, and other material characteristics. "Any strategy for defense or deflection should take into consideration this revised understanding of the mechanism of explosion," says Boslough.

Extraterrestrial fragments from the impact event have yet to be recovered. A team of Italian scientists believes that a hunk of asteroid may be in a nearby lake, buried deep within a submerged impact crater.

Although Sandia's report doesn't specify the likely size of the Tunguska asteroid, it demonstrates the threat of relatively small near-earth objects. And hard as it is to spot the massive rocks hurtling in Earth's general direction, such as the 1150-ft. asteroid Apophis, smaller asteroids are far more numerous, and even more difficult to track.

Posted by Casey Kazan.
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