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Ziola
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I haz transcription (sorry it took me so long...I had to find it)

Code:
CAG UCC AUC AAC AAU ACA ACA ACA CAU CGA CUC AUA GUC CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA CAC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUA CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA UAC AAU CAA GUC CAC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA ACA AGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AAC AAG CCA AGU CCA CAA GCU AUC AAG UCG CCA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AAC AAU ACA AGC UAC CCU CGC GCC AUC GAC UCA UAC AAC CAU CGA CUC AAC AAU CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUA UCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA AGC UGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU CCA AGU CAU CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA UAG CUC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAC ACA UAG CUA CAA GUC GCC AUG CGC ACA UGC CAU CAA GUC AUC AAC AAG CCA UCG ACU CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA UAG CUC CAU GCG CAC AAG UCC ACA ACA AUC CAU AGC UAG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAA GCU GCC AUC GAC UCA UAG CGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU CCA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA ACA AGC CAA CAA UAC AUA CAA UCA ACA AGC CAU AAG CUC CUC GCG CCA AGC UAC CAU AGC UCC AAC AAU ACA ACA ACA CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA UAG CUA CAU AGU CCC AUG CGC ACA UAG UCC CAA GUC CAC AAC AAU ACA ACA AUC CAU AGC UAG CAU ACA AGC GCA ACA GCG CAG UCC AAC AAC ACA UCG ACU CAU AGU CCC AUG CGC ACA ACA AGC CAA CAA GCC AAG UCC ACA UGC CAU CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA AGC UGC CAA GUC CAC AUA GCU CCA UAG UCC CAU AAG CUC GAC UAG CCC UCG CGC CAU GCC AUC AUA GCU CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA CAC AAC AAC ACA UCG ACU CAA GCU GCC CUC GCG CCA UAC AAU CAA GUC CAC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CCU CGC GCC AAG UCG CCA UAG UCA CAU AGC UCC AUA GCU CCA AGU CCA CAU CGA CUC AAG CUG CCC UCG CGC CAU AGC UCC AAG UCC ACA AGC UGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCA UAG CUA CCU CGC GCC AUA CAA UCA AGU CGC CAA CAA UAC CUC GCG CCA AGC UAC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAG CCA ACA AGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA GCC AUC GAC UCA ACA AUC CAU AGU CCC CUC GCG CCA UAC AAU CAA GUC GCC AAG UCC ACA ACA AGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UGC GCA ACA GCG CAG UCC AUA CAA UCA AGU CGC CAA GUC CAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC CAA CAA GCC AUC GAC UCC UCG CGC CAU AGC UAC AUG CGC ACA UAA GCU CAU AGC UAC CUC GCG CCA AGC UAC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU CCA UCG ACU CAU ACA AUC AUC GAC UCA ACA AGC CAA CAA GCC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAA CAA UAC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UCC UCG CGC CAU AGC GCC AAC AAG CCA UGC GCA CAU AGU CCC AAG CUA CCA ACA AUA CAU AGC UCC AAC AAC ACA UAG CUA GCA UAC AAG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAU CCA AGC UGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA ACA AGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA UGC CAU CAU AGC UCC AUG CGC ACA UAG CGC CAU AGC UAC CUC GCG CCA ACA AUA CAA GCU ACC CUC GCG CCA ACA AUC CAU CGA CUC AUA CAA UCA UAG CUA CAU AGC GCC AUG CGC ACA UAG CGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCC UCG CGC CAU AGC UAC AUG CCA UCA UAG UCA CAU AGC UCC AUA GCU CCA UAA GCU CCU CGC GCC AAC AAU ACA UAC AAC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCC UCG CGC CAU GCC AUC AAC AAU ACA ACA AUC CAU GCC AUC AUA GCU CCA UCG ACU CAU AGU CCC AUC GAC UCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC ACA ACA AUC CAA GCU GCC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUC CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA AGU CGC CAA CAA UAC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUA CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUG CGC GCA ACA GCG CAG UCC AAG CUA CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA GCC AAC AAG CCC UCG CGC CAU AGU CCC AAC AAU ACC UCG CGC CAU AGU CCC AAG UCG CCA UCG ACU CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA AGU CGC CAA GUC CAC AAC AAU CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUA UCC UCG CGC CAU AGC UCC AUG CGC ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA GCC AUA GCU AGC AUA CAA GCG CAA CAG CGC AGU CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UCA ACA AUC CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UCC UCG CGC CAU CGA CUC AUA CAA CCA UCG ACU CAA CAA UCC AAG UCC ACA ACA AUC CAA GCU AUG CAG CUA UCA UAG CUA CCU CGC GCC AUA GCU ACA ACA AGC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAU CCA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AAC AAG CCA AGU CCA CAA GCU AUC AAG UCG CCA UAG UCC CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA AGU CCA CAU AGU CCC AUA GCU ACC UCG CGC CAU AGC UAC AUG CGC ACA AGC UAC CAA GCU ACC AUA GCU CCA ACA AUA CAA CAA UCC CUC GCG CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUG CCC UCG CGC CAU GCC AUC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUC CAU AGU CCC AUG CGC ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC CUC GCG CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUG CCC UCG CGC CAU AGC UAC AUG CGC ACA AGC UGC CGA CUA CAG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAU AGC UAC AAC AAC ACA UCG ACU CAA CAA GCC AAC AAG CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUA UCC UCG CGC CAA CAA GCC AAG UCC ACA AGC UAU CAA GUC GCC AUA GUC CCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA ACA AGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AUG CCA UCA ACA AUA CAU GCG CAC AUG CCA UCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU ACC UCG CGC CAU ACA ACC AUG CGC ACA ACA AUC CAA GUC CAC AUA GCU ACA AGU CGC GCA UAC AAG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAU CCA AGC UGC CCU CGC GCC AGC UGC ACC UCG CGC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAC ACC UCG CGC CAU AGU CCC AAG UCG CCA UCG ACU CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA UAG CUC CAU GCG CAC AUA CAA CCA UCG ACU CAA CAA GCC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUC CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA GCU GCA CCU CGC GCC AUG CGC ACA ACA ACA CCU CGC GCC AUG CGC ACA ACA AGC CAU ACA AUC AUG CGC ACA UAA GCU CAU AGC UAC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UCC UCG CGC CAU AGU CCC AUA GCU CCA UGC GCA CAU ACA ACC AUC GAC UCA ACA AGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AAC AAG CCA UCG ACU CAU GCG CAC AAC AAU CCA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUA UCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AUG CCU CCA UGC GCA CAU AGC UCC AUC GAC UCA ACA AGC CAU AAG CUC CUC GCG CCA UGC GCA CAU GCC UCC AAC AAU ACA UGC GCA CAU AGC UCC AAG CUG CGC GCA ACA GCG CAG UCC AUG CGC ACA ACA AUC CAA GCU GCC CUC GCG CCA ACA AGC CAA CAA UAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC CCU CGC GCC AAG UCC ACA ACA AUC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAA CAA UAC AUA GUC ACA AGC UAU CAA GUC GCC AUA GUC CGC AUA CAA GCG CAA CAG CGC AGU CCA UAG UCC CAA GUC GCC AUC GAC UCC UCG CGC CAU AGU CCC AUA GCU CCA UGC GCA CAU ACA ACC AUC GAC UCA ACA AGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCC UCG CGC CAU ACA AUC AAG UCG CCA ACA AUA CCU CGC GCC AAG UCG CCA UGC GCA CAU AGC UAC CUC GCG CCA AGC UGC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCG CCA UGC GCA CAU AGC UCC AUA GUC CCA UCG ACU CAA GCU GCC CUC GCG CCA UGC CUC CAU AGU CAC AUA GUC CCC UCG CGC CAA CAA UCC AUC GAC UCA UAC AAC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCC UCG CGC CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU CCA UAG CUC CAA GUC CAC AUA CAA CCA UCG ACU CAA GCU GCC GAC UAG CCC UCG CGC CAU AGC GCC AUA GUC ACA UAG CUC CAU AGC UAC AUA GUC ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUA UCC UCG CGC CAA GUC CAC AAC AAG CCA ACA AGC CAU AGU CAC AUA GCU ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA UAC AAC AAU CCA UAG CUA CCU CGC GCC AAG UCC ACA ACA AUC GCG CAA CAG CGC AGU CCA UAG UCC CAU AGC UCC AUG CGC ACA AGU CCA CAA CAA UCC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAU AGU CAC AAC AAU CCA ACA AUC CAU CGA CUC AAC AAG CCA UAG CUA GCA UAC AAG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAU GCG CAC AAC AAU CCA AGC UGC CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUC AAC AAU CCC UCG CGC CAG CUG CAC CUC GCG CCA UAG UCC CAU CGA CUC AAC AAG CCA ACA AGC CCU CGC GCC AUC GAC UCA UAC AAC CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCA UAA GCU CAA CAA UAC AAC AAU CCA UCG ACU CCU CGC GCC AAG CUA UCA ACA AUA CAA CAA UAC AAG CUG CCA UGC CUC CAU AAG CUC AUC GAC UCG ACU AGC CCU CGC GCC AUG CGC ACA ACA AUC CAA GCU GCC CUC GCG CCA AGC UAU CAA CAA UAC AAC AAU ACA AGC UGC CAU GCC UCC AUA AGC UCA UCG ACU CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA ACA AUA CCU CGC GCC AAC AAC ACA UAA GCU CAU AGC UAC AUC GAC UCA ACA AGC CAA GCU ACC GAC UAG CCC UCG CGC CAU ACA AUC AUG CGC ACA UAC AAC CAA GUC CAC AAC AAU CCA AGC UAU CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC CAU CGA CUG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CAU AGU CAC AUA GUC CCA ACA AUA CAU AGC GCC AAG UCC ACA UGC CAU CCU CGC GCC AAG UCG CCA UGC GCA CAA CAA UCC AAG CUG CCA AGU CAU CAU CGA CUC AUA GCU CCA UGC CAU CAA GUC GCC AAG UCC ACA UCG ACU CAA GCU ACG CAU ACA AGC GCA ACA GCG CAG UCG CGC AAC AGC GCA GUC CUC GCA UCC AGC UGC ACA GCU AUC CUC CCU CCC CUC GCG CCA GCU ACA CUC CGA CU

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Kudos, Ziola!

The entire collection uses 40 out of 64 codons (39, not including the "CU" at the end.)
So, it's not likely that it's any kind of real Codon string.

In any 1000 codons collection, there are usually only a couple of missing codons, max.

This collection was of 1907 codons, total.
The counts of the values are:

Code:
Codon   Count   Count per 1000
AAC      58     30.41426324
AAG      51     26.7435763
AAU      24     12.58521238
ACA     121     63.45044573
ACC      11      5.768222339
ACG       1      0.524383849
ACU      22     11.53644468
AGC      83     43.52385947
AGU      53     27.792344
AUA      78     40.90194022
AUC      51     26.7435763
AUG      23     12.06082853
CAA     120     62.92606188
CAC      35     18.35343472
CAG      12      6.292606188
CAU     113     59.25537494
CCA     125     65.54798113
CCC      26     13.63398007
CCG       2      1.048767698
CCU      41     21.49973781
CGA      34     17.82905087
CGC     115     60.30414264
CU        1      0.524383849
CUA      27     14.15836392
CUC      75     39.32878868
CUG       9      4.719454641
GAC      27     14.15836392
GCA      31     16.25589932
GCC      83     43.52385947
GCG      61     31.98741479
GCU      58     30.41426324
GUC      52     27.26796015
UAA       5      2.621919245
UAC      37     19.40220241
UAG      49     25.6948086
UAU       4      2.097535396
UCA      28     14.68274777
UCC      73     38.28002098
UCG      55     28.8411117
UGC      33     17.30466702

If anybody wants to check for any matches at:
http://www.kazusa.or.jp/codon/
Or another reference, go for it.
Anything I've learned about genetics was around here. So take all that with a grain of salt.

Wild guess...
(Just based on BLAST matches)
Norwegian Rat.

ETA: In case it can be of help to anyone else, I globally translated all the triplets to single characters, starting from the beginning, using [A-Z],[1-9],0,!,@,#,$
(Line breaks added by me.)
Code:
ABCDEFFFGHIJKLMLNNOCPQRSHSTIULVENKOJKLMWXWTJKLMWGHIIULFYGUOJZFRBXWTD1LMLNZC12LRBXWTDEFYVXWTCPQVDGHIDELMLNN
B1S23YXWTJKLMWGHIIULY4GUOJZLMGHSTIULRIGUODDFRSNKT5WF4GNKCD1L23XWTJKLRIGUO1BFFCGYRWDY6KNZTCPQRWGUOJZLRBXWTJ
ZFFYNNVJNQFYG1IIULYVGYBDEFFFXWTJKLMWGHIIULRSGM75WFRBNKODEFFCGYRGFY6FUABDDF23GM75WFFYNNT1BF4GHSTIULY4NKOJZL
RBG1IPR72WGTCJZL46NNODDF23NZTIULVENKOJKLMWXWT12LRQGYBJZLMLGHI1072WGYB1BFY4GHIJZLRSXWTJNQMWNNVIULYVGUOD1LFY
XWTJZFMLNNTCPQFCGM7IULVENKT1BFFYGHIIULRBNKTCP46FUABJNQMWNKOJZFRBNNTCPB2WGYV5WF8ZGYVIULYVGUOJZL23GFCCPQFYNN
TIULRBNNVIULRBNKTCPB2WGYTD1L46GM71SLFJGYBDDFRS6V1WDY6KGUODELY4XWTJKLMWGHIIULFYGUOJZFRBXWTJZF4GGYB5WFRWGYVI
ULFJNZ9IULFCGHIJNQRSGYT5WFRWGHIJZ72WGYV5LQRQGYBJZL8ZXWTDEFVDGHIJZ72WGTCDEFFCGTCJZL23GM7CP23YXWTJKFFCNZTCPQ
RIXWTJZFMWNNVCPQRSHSTIUL46NNB10W6FUAB1SL46NNTD172WGM7DE92WGM712L23XWTJZFMWNKODELMLNNB1SB2WGYB5WFMLNNTJZYJN
UNAWMLRBNKTCPQFCHSTIULMLNNBIULRBNKTCPB2WGHIJNL23NNB1BFFCNZ5ASQRSXWTJZFFYGUODELRBXWTD1LMLNZC12LRBHSTIULMLGM
7JZ92WGYV5WFYVNZ9JZLFJNNBIUL46NNB1072WGTCCPQRIGM75WFMLNNBIUL46NNB1072WGYV5WFY4HSAWDY6KGYVDDF23NNTD1LMLNNB1
SB2WNNT1BFY!NKTJK@3YXWTJKLMWGHIIULFYGUOJZFRBXWT5LQFJGUO5LQMWGHIJZ92WGF95WFFCNKOJZFMW6V1WDY6KGUODELY4XWTY49
2WGUODD92WGM712L23XWTJKLRIGUOJNL23NNTCPQRIHSTIULZ6XWT5WFFFXWT5WFFYGFC5WF8ZGYVIULRBNKTCPB2WGM7JZL46GF9CPQFY
GHIJZ@3YXWTD1L23GUODELMLNNB1S23YXWT5XL46GYBCPQFYG1IIUL46GTBDEF46GYB10W6FUAB5WFFCNZTIULFYNNVJZFRBXWT1BFFCXW
TJKLMWNNVJKFY!NKTJKWJNUNAWMLRBNKTCPB2WGM7JZL46GF9CPQFYGHIJZ72WGFC12LFJXWT12L46GYVIULY4GHIJUL46GYBJKL23NZTI
UL4IGMOJK72WNNBCPQVDGHIJZ72WGUOJZLRINKOJNL23NZTPR72WGYTJKFRIGYVJKFMLNNB1SB2WNKOD1LFYGMOJZFMLNNVDELRSXWT1BF
FCUNAWMLRBGYB5WFMLNNBIULRBGMODELFCGHID1LRS6V1WDY6KGUODELY4XWTJKLMWGHIDE72WA0OIULRBGHID1LFYXWTCPQVDGHIJZL8Z
NNVDEL23XWT1SQFJNNV10L4IG1ICP23YXWT5WFFCNZTIULY!NNVDEFY4GTBJYQ23XWTJKLFJXWTDDF8ZGYVCPQFYNZ9PR72WGFC5WFVDNK
ODELY!XWTJKLMWGH0WDY6KGMOJKLFJGYT1BF4GXWT12L46NNB10LMGGHIJZL4GNKT1BF23NZ#GFY6FUA2WDY6KI6BY4FZCIX7IULZFIH$


PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:18 pm
Last edited by Rogi Ocnorb on Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:41 pm; edited 2 times in total
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I've been extremely honest about my lack of puzzle aptitude. Beyond the simple things (binary, hex, base and rot) I'm more of a happy little cheerleader Smile

Do you think we need to find the letters that represent the strings? I mean, if you follow this link and scroll down to the inverse table, you can see a three letter and a single letter that corresponds to each codon. For example, AAC can also be represented by Asn/N.

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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
The entire collection uses 40 out of 64 codons

Perhaps there are separate symbols/triplets/codons for upper- and lowercase alphabet letters, and/or numerals as well as punctuation. (i'm so not looking into it further)

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Here is the codons replaced with their single letter short name for corresponding amino acids (hopefully no mistakes):
Code:
QSINNTTTHRLIVPSPQQHIDSOLRLALAP
YNQVHIVPSRPRAIVPSRHRLLAPTSHAHI
ATOSPRANKPSPQAIKSPOSPRANNTSYPR
AIDSYNHRLNNPSPQQSKLSTSPRAIVPSR
HRLLAPSCHAHIAPSHRLALAPOLHAHNNT
OLQVAMRTCHQVINKPSTPRAIVPOLHAHK
STTIHSORNSAVQAAIDSORHAHIAPOSPR
AIATTSQQYIQSTSHKLLAPSYHSSNNTTT
PRAIVPSRHRLLAPOLHSPMRTOSQVHNNT
TIHSOHTSATAQSNNTSTHSPMRTTSQQAK
STCHRLALAPSCQVHIAPOSHKLDOPSRHA
IIAPCAQQHNNTSTQAALAPYNQVHIVPSR
PRAKSPOSHSSIAPSPHRLKLPSRHSSKST
SCHRLIAPOLPRAIQSSRQQYLAPSYHAHN
KPTSPRAIATSPQQAIDSTIHSPLAPYNQV
AKSTTSHRLLAPOSQVAIDCATAQSIQSSR
QVHIATOSQQAIDSSRHSYMRT-AHSYLAP
SYHAHIAPSTHTIIDSTSQQALAPOSQQYL
APOSQVAIDSSRHSANKPCAHSPKLPTIHS
SNNTOLAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPRAIVPSR
HRLLAPTSHAHIATOSPRAIATCHHSSMRT
ORHSYLAPTIQATLAPTIHRLIQSOLHSAM
RTORHRLIAPSRHSYMPSOSHSSIAP-APR
ANNTYNHRLIAPSRHAINNTTIHAIIAPST
HSPIDSTSPRAIVTTIQAAIDSOLPRAIAT
SRQQYIDSOLRLALAPCAQQSKLRATAQSK
LPCAQQANKPSRHSPNNTSRHSPKSPSTPR
AIATSRQVHNNPSPQQSKLSSRHSSMRTSP
QQAIASIQAQQRSPOSQVAIDSTIRLALAP
SPQQSLAPOSQVAIDSSRHRLIQPSTQQSK
STTIQAMQLSOLPRAIATTSHAHNNPOSPR
ANKPSPQAIKSPOSRLALAPSPHSPIATSR
HSYMRTSYQATIAPTIQQSLAPCAQQSKLP
SRHAIIDSOLHSPMRTSPQQSLAPCAQQSK
LPSRHSYMRTSCRLQRNSAVHSYNNTSTQQ
ANKPSPQQSKLSSRQQAKSTSYQVAIVPTS
PRAIVPSRHRLLAPTSHAHIATOSPRAMPS
TIHAHMPSSRHRLIATSRHTTMRTTIQVHI
ATSRAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPRASCTSRHA
HNNTSRHSPKSPSTPRAIVPOLHAHIQPST
QQAIDSOLRLALAPAAPRAMRTTTPRAMRT
TSHTIMRT-AHSYLAPOSQVAIDSSRHSPI
APCAHTTIDSTSHRLIAPTSPRANKPSTHA
HNNPSPQQSKLSTSPRAMPPCAHSSIDSTS
HKLLAPCAHASNNTCAHSSKLRATAQSMRT
TIQAALAPTSQQYIATOSPRAKSTTIPRAI
VPSRQQYIVTSYQVAIVRIQAQQRSPOSQV
AIDSSRHSPIAPCAHTTIDSTSHRLIAPSR
HTIKSPTIPRAKSPCAHSYLAPSCHRLIAP
CAHSSIVPSTQAALAPCLHSHIVPSRQQSI
DSYNHRLIAPSRHAHIAPOLQVHIQPSTQA
ADOPSRHSAIVTOLHSYIVTSPQQSKLSSR
QVHNKPTSHSHIATSPQQYNNPOLPRAKST
TIAQQRSPOSHSSMRTSPQQSLAPOSHSHN
NPTIHRLNKPOLAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPR
AIVPSRHRLNNPSRQLHLAPOSHRLNKPTS
PRAIDSYNHRLIAP-AQQYNNPSTPRAKLS
TIQQYKLPCLHKLIDSTSPRAMRTTIQAAL
APSYQQYNNTSCHASISSSTPRAIVPTIPR
ANNT-AHSYIDSTSQATDOPSRHTIMRTYN
QVHNNPSYPRAIVPSRHRLRNSAVHSHIVP
TIHSAKSTCHPRAKSPCAQQSKLPSHHRLI
APCHQVAKSTSTQATHTSATAQSRNSAVLA
SSCTAILPPLAPATLR*

The -'s are stop codons and * at the end is for the incomplete CU triplet, which still makes this process seem iffy. This process also doesn't have amino acids for the letter B, J or Z and there were a few other letters that didn't occur in the ones we have.

Nothing really jumps out at me, but the number of double and triple repeated letters does seem pretty high, although this could be chance.

[edit- did it myself] Which codon triplets are missing from the ones in the puzzle? Perhaps there's something to be gleaned from that?
Going from Rogi's list above, the missing triplets are:
AAA, AGA, AAG, AUU, CGG, CGU, CUU, CAA, GAG, GAU, GUA, GUG, GUU, UCU, UGA, UGG and UAU.

[double edit]
Aaaaand letter count from this nifty little frequency analysis website:
Code:
s : 292  (15.3 %)
a : 233  (12.2 %)
p : 194  (10.2 %)
t : 155  ( 8.1 %)
r : 149  ( 7.8 %)
h : 148  ( 7.8 %)
q : 132  ( 6.9 %)
i : 129  ( 6.8 %)
l : 111  ( 5.8 %)
n :  82  ( 4.3 %)
v :  52  ( 2.7 %)
k :  51  ( 2.7 %)
o :  49  ( 2.6 %)
y :  41  ( 2.1 %)
c :  33  ( 1.7 %)
d :  27  ( 1.4 %)
m  : 23  ( 1.2 %)
x :   0
b :   0
z :   0
w :   0
e :   0
g :   0
f :   0
u :   0
j :   0

Interestingly, the 6 letter substring "praivp" occurs 11 times, and a bunch of other 6 letter ones occur 4 or more times. Although, I'm still not sure if that really means anything.

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Hi, long time lurker here.

There's definitely a pattern there... what I did was to take all of the letters that sixsidedsquare decoded, and placed them in a text-wrapping window box (after removing the hard returns and using a mono-spaced font), and then played with the window width to change the wrapping line-length. I can literally see the patterns in the letters. For example, here's what happens when wrapping it at 56 characters per line:

Code:
QSINNTTTHRLIVPSPQQHIDSOLRLALAPYNQVHIVPSRPRAIVPSRHRLLAPTS
HAHIATOSPRANKPSPQAIKSPOSPRANNTSYPRAIDSYNHRLNNPSPQQSKLSTS
PRAIVPSRHRLLAPSCHAHIAPSHRLALAPOLHAHNNTOLQVAMRTCHQVINKPST
PRAIVPOLHAHKSTTIHSORNSAVQAAIDSORHAHIAPOSPRAIATTSQQYIQSTS
HKLLAPSYHSSNNTTTPRAIVPSRHRLLAPOLHSPMRTOSQVHNNTTIHSOHTSAT
AQSNNTSTHSPMRTTSQQAKSTCHRLALAPSCQVHIAPOSHKLDOPSRHAIIAPCA
QQHNNTSTQAALAPYNQVHIVPSRPRAKSPOSHSSIAPSPHRLKLPSRHSSKSTSC
HRLIAPOLPRAIQSSRQQYLAPSYHAHNKPTSPRAIATSPQQAIDSTIHSPLAPYN
QVAKSTTSHRLLAPOSQVAIDCATAQSIQSSRQVHIATOSQQAIDSSRHSYMRT-A
HSYLAPSYHAHIAPSTHTIIDSTSQQALAPOSQQYLAPOSQVAIDSSRHSANKPCA
HSPKLPTIHSSNNTOLAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPRAIVPSRHRLLAPTSHAHIATOS
PRAIATCHHSSMRTORHSYLAPTIQATLAPTIHRLIQSOLHSAMRTORHRLIAPSR
HSYMPSOSHSSIAP-APRANNTYNHRLIAPSRHAINNTTIHAIIAPSTHSPIDSTS
PRAIVTTIQAAIDSOLPRAIATSRQQYIDSOLRLALAPCAQQSKLRATAQSKLPCA
QQANKPSRHSPNNTSRHSPKSPSTPRAIATSRQVHNNPSPQQSKLSSRHSSMRTSP
QQAIASIQAQQRSPOSQVAIDSTIRLALAPSPQQSLAPOSQVAIDSSRHRLIQPST
QQSKSTTIQAMQLSOLPRAIATTSHAHNNPOSPRANKPSPQAIKSPOSRLALAPSP
HSPIATSRHSYMRTSYQATIAPTIQQSLAPCAQQSKLPSRHAIIDSOLHSPMRTSP
QQSLAPCAQQSKLPSRHSYMRTSCRLQRNSAVHSYNNTSTQQANKPSPQQSKLSSR
QQAKSTSYQVAIVPTSPRAIVPSRHRLLAPTSHAHIATOSPRAMPSTIHAHMPSSR
HRLIATSRHTTMRTTIQVHIATSRAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPRASCTSRHAHNNTSR
HSPKSPSTPRAIVPOLHAHIQPSTQQAIDSOLRLALAPAAPRAMRTTTPRAMRTTS
HTIMRT-AHSYLAPOSQVAIDSSRHSPIAPCAHTTIDSTSHRLIAPTSPRANKPST
HAHNNPSPQQSKLSTSPRAMPPCAHSSIDSTSHKLLAPCAHASNNTCAHSSKLRAT
AQSMRTTIQAALAPTSQQYIATOSPRAKSTTIPRAIVPSRQQYIVTSYQVAIVRIQ
AQQRSPOSQVAIDSSRHSPIAPCAHTTIDSTSHRLIAPSRHTIKSPTIPRAKSPCA
HSYLAPSCHRLIAPCAHSSIVPSTQAALAPCLHSHIVPSRQQSIDSYNHRLIAPSR
HAHIAPOLQVHIQPSTQAADOPSRHSAIVTOLHSYIVTSPQQSKLSSRQVHNKPTS
HSHIATSPQQYNNPOLPRAKSTTIAQQRSPOSHSSMRTSPQQSLAPOSHSHNNPTI
HRLNKPOLAYKRNSAVHAHNNPSCPRAIVPSRHRLNNPSRQLHLAPOSHRLNKPTS
PRAIDSYNHRLIAP-AQQYNNPSTPRAKLSTIQQYKLPCLHKLIDSTSPRAMRTTI
QAALAPSYQQYNNTSCHASISSSTPRAIVPTIPRANNT-AHSYIDSTSQATDOPSR
HTIMRTYNQVHNNPSYPRAIVPSRHRLRNSAVHSHIVPTIHSAKSTCHPRAKSPCA
QQSKLPSHHRLIAPCHQVAKSTSTQATHTSATAQSRNSAVLASSCTAILPPLAPAT
LR*


I wanted to try making each letter a pixel of a different color or something like that, but I don't know how to do that in a relatively automated way or what program could help in that. Could someone with the right tech give it a shot? Just throwing it out there.

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la!uep wrote:
I wanted to try making each letter a pixel of a different color or something like that, but I don't know how to do that in a relatively automated way or what program could help in that. Could someone with the right tech give it a shot? Just throwing it out there.

Welcome la!uep Smile

I have 3/4 cobbled together a little javascript thinger to do what you suggested, available here. The reason it's 3/4 cobbled together is it's still got problems that I'm trying to iron out, but it sort of works as is. It's not working right in IE, you need to give the text a leading extra blank line at the top and colours also need fixing, but yeah, it sort of works. What is really evident by looking at it even in this partly working state though, is the repeating patterns 8 characters apart.

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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Welcome la!uep Smile

Thanks six, you can call me daniel (as clearly evidenced by my username Razz)

sixsidedsquare wrote:
I have 3/4 cobbled together a little javascript thinger to do what you suggested, available here. The reason it's 3/4 cobbled together is it's still got problems that I'm trying to iron out, but it sort of works as is. It's not working right in IE, you need to give the text a leading extra blank line at the top and colours also need fixing, but yeah, it sort of works.

The script is great, I'd say more like 5/6 together. It works, and it probably has some use beyond this particular code.

sixsidedsquare wrote:
What is really evident by looking at it even in this partly working state though, is the repeating patterns 8 characters apart.

Yes! I noticed that. Now... doesn't that suggest a binary ascii encoding somewhere? It's not quite right, but I think we're getting there. Thanks!

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So I thought I'd try my hand at tweaking six's script, and here's what I ended up with:

http://stashbox.org/467310/letters-to-colours.html

This version allows for real-time window resizing and rearranging of the patterns. I also gave it my take on a nicer color palette (works with up to 64 different symbols). Just remove all returns and spaces and wrap the colors at will.

Thanks for the javascript idea, six. I was at first thinking of some sort of .bmp file manipulation thing, but this is much more convenient.

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Ha, I've actually got an irc script to flip text like that.

But back to the puzzle, ascii binary was my first thought with the 8's and having a bit more time this afternoon to play with it I've got it. Here's the process of thought I went through for anyone interested.

First I tried using Rogi's version with a unique character for each triplet looking at the sets of 8. With binary ascii the first character is always a 0 for all normal characters, so I tried replacing whatever characters those were with 0's for the whole text. Then for all letters a-Z the second character is a 1, so I replaced those, but the problem was there were already a number of double zeros at the start of sets of 8. I tried working though reasoning like this for a bit but nothing good was really coming out of it.

However I was getting to thinking that it would probably be better to go back to the original triplets and see if the ones that came first in sets of triplets (which were repeating throughout) had anything in common. So I lined up groups of 8 triplets to look. I've included the first few groups of 8 here for those of you who are playing along at home:
Code:
CAG UCC AUC AAC AAU ACA ACA ACA
CAU CGA CUC AUA GUC CCA AGU CCA
CAA CAA CAC AUC GAC UCA UAG CUA
CGA CUA GCC CUC GCG CCA UAC AAU
CAA GUC CAC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC
CCU CGC GCC AUA GUC CCA AGU CGC
CAU CGA CUC CUC GCG CCA ACA AGC
CAU GCG CAC AUA GCU ACA UAG UCC
CCU CGC GCC AAC AAG CCA AGU CCA


First of all I saw that the first triplets all started with C or G, so I tried turning all triplets that started with C or U into 0's and ones that started with A or U into 1's, but this only returned rubbish. It was looking at it a bit more that it struck me. I saw that the triplets in the 4th column all started with A or C, but mainly A. But more than that, just to their left, the last letter of the third column (9th character) were all C or G. Looking further forward every column 8 character along were also C or G, ignoring the triplet grouping all together.

So that's the solve for it. Even though I've explained how I got there, I'll still spoiler the direct solve:
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Using the original characters and ignoring the triplets, replace C's and G's with 0's and A's and U's with 1's. This gives:
(Super Tiny Binary Go~!)

01010011011011110110110101100101011101000110100101101101011001010111001100101100
00100000011101110110100101110100011010000010000001110100011010000110010100100000
01101100011000010111001101110100001000000110110001101001011001110110100001110100
00100000011011110110011000100000011001010111011001100101011011100110100101101110
01100111001011000010000001110100011010000110010100100000011001000110000101110010
01101011001011000010000001110010011000010110110101110011011010000110000101100011
01101011011011000110010100100000011101000111001001100001011010010110111001110011
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01101111011011100111001100111011000011010000101001101101011001010111010001100001
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01110011011010010110110001100101011011100111010000100000011101110110100001101001
01101100011001010010000001110100011010000110010100001101000010100111011101101000
01101001011100110111010001101100011001010010000001110011011000010111100101110011
00100000011001100110000101110010011001010111011101100101011011000110110000100000
01110100011011110010000001110100011010000110010100100000011100000110110001100001
01110100011001100110111101110010011011010111001100111011000011010000101001100001
01101110011001000010000001110100011010000110010100100000011011000110000101110011
01110100001000000111001101100011011100100110000101110000011100110010000001101111
01100110001000000110111001100101011101110111001101110000011000010111000001100101
01110010001000000111001101100011011101010111001001110010011110010010000001101111
01110110011001010111001000100000011000110110111101101110011000110111001001100101
01110100011001010010110000100000011101010110111001100100011001010111001000100000
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01101100011000010111001101110100001000000110001101101111011000010110001101101000
01100101011100110010000001110110011000010110111001101001011100110110100000111011
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00100000011101000110100001100101001000000111010001110010011000010111011001100101
01101100011001010111001000101100001000000100100100100000011000010110110100100000
01100001011011000111011101100001011110010111001100100000011101000110100001100101
00100000011101000111001001100001011101100110010101101100011001010111001000101100
00100000011011000110010101100001011011100110100101101110011001110010110000100000
01100010011000010111001001100101011011000111100100100000011000010110001001101111
01100001011100100110010000001101000010100110000101101110011001000010000001101100
01101111011100110111010000100000011010010110111000100000011101000110100001101111
01110101011001110110100001110100001110110000110100001010011101000110100001100101
00100000011101000111001001100001011101100110010101101100011001010111001000100000
01110111011010000110111100100000011010000110000101110011001000000110010001100101
01110000011000010111001001110100011001010110010000100000011000100111010101110100
00100000011011100110010101110110011001010111001000100000011000010111001001110010
01101001011101100110010101100100001011000010000001110000011101010111001001110011
01110101011010010110111001100111001000000110100101101100011011000111010101110011
01101001011011110110111001110011001000000110100101101110000011010000101001110100
01110010011000010110100101101110001000000111010001110101011011100110111001100101
01101100011100110011101100001101000010100110000101101110011001000010000001110100
01101000011001010110111000100000010010010010000001110100011001010110110001101100
00100000011001010111011001100101011100100111100101101111011011100110010100100000
01100111011011110110111101100100011000100111100101100101001011000010000001100001
01101110011001000010000001100111011011110110111101100100011000100111100101100101
00100000011101000110111100100000011011010111100101110011011001010110110001100110
00101100001000000111011101100001011101100110100101101110011001110010000001110100
01101000011001010000110100001010011101010111010001101111011100000110100101100011
00100000011010000110000101101110011001000110101101100101011100100110001101101000
01101001011001010110011000111011000011010000101000001101000010100100011001001001
0100111001000100001000000100110101000101

Which translated to:

Sometimes, with the last light of evening, the dark, ramshackle trains
depart slowly from the stations;
metallic, dirty, crammed with hurried riders who fall silent while the
whistle says farewell to the platforms;
and the last scraps of newspaper scurry over concrete, under shoes, and
fall to the shining rails;
then, in the evening's slant light, its saffron and certain and sad-
smelling light, the last coaches vanish;
and I am the traveler, I am always the traveler, leaning, barely aboard
and lost in thought;
the traveler who has departed but never arrived, pursuing illusions in
train tunnels;
and then I tell everyone goodbye, and goodbye to myself, waving the
utopic handkerchief;

FIND ME

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Sounds awfully mysterious. There's still more room for something being in the encoded binary too, I haven't really looked to see if whether a 1 became a A or U (and same for 0 being C or G) is just random or not, but there is potential to put something there.


Now I'm not sure if that's the final 'answer' as such, or if there's another layer here. Depends on what the thing this from is like I guess. As I mentioned above there's still the possibility of an extra layer. Either way, as Rogi pointed out to me in chat, it's from a Spanish poet Roberto Manzano, translated by Steven Reese as seen on this page.

Thoughts?


[ninja-edit]
Ah, nice changing of the javascript, I was sort of making it up as I went and it all became a mess. That is much more elegant, I might have to automate the colour array creation for variable numbers and steal it back Smile

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Hmmmm...I honestly have no idea. But I will poke the puzzle maker to peek over here and see if there's more. Kinda looks like it, what with the last line and all.
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Good job six! Now, I'm looking at the discarded info, and I agree when you say there might be something there. I'm seeing more patterns in octets, and ASCII is spitting somewhat non-gibberish stuff, but with a few odd animals (spoilered just in case):

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
I first converted the original DNA code to binary, with {C,U}->0 and {A,G}->1

(Super Tiny Binary Go~!) (lol I keep stealing from you! Very Happy )

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0101011001110001010110000111001000001010010110000111001001001100000010100110111001010101
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0110011000001010010100100101100001010101011011010110110101001100011100100000101001010110
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0110110001110010000010100101100001110010010011000000101001101110010101010101100101011000
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0110110001001100010101100101100101011010010101010101101001001100010110000000101001011001
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0110110001110010010011000101100000001010010110010111001001101101010011000101100101100110
0000101001010101011011000111001010101101101011000111001001010101011011100110111000001010
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1010110001011000011100100100110001101100011001100000101001110001011011000000101001011000
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0111001001011000011001100000101001110001010110000101100100001010010110010101010101110010
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Ulr
rmmrP\L
Xm
m\YLnrf
VUVqlr
XrL­¬YXmZqR
rUlrrLXRrqLr«­¬­¬ed�
e


Weird, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get that by picking the letters randomly.


sixsidedsquare wrote:
Ah, nice changing of the javascript, I was sort of making it up as I went and it all became a mess. That is much more elegant, I might have to automate the colour array creation for variable numbers and steal it back Smile

Yea, feel free. I just noticed my script ignores spaces, that could be good or bad, depending. Before, I said my table had 64 colors, when it actually has 125, silly me. Confused

For an automated method to generate colors that span all hues, maybe something like this?

Code:
var rgbSteps = Math.floor(Math.pow(uniqueLetters.length,1/3));
for (var r=0; r<=rgbSteps; ++r)
   for (var g=0; g<=rgbSteps; ++g)
      for (var b=0; b<=rgbSteps; ++b)
         colorValues[colorValues.length] = Math.floor((r*256*256 + g*256 + b)*255/rgbSteps).toString(16);

But my style syntax is not liking those #ff colors... seems like a padding issue.

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la!uep wrote:
Weird, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get that by picking the letters randomly.


Yeah, there's about twice as many A's and D's that there are G's and U's. You'd expect about an even split if they were just assigned randomly. What you are suggesting there is totally possible to do too. Just take two lots of binary ascii, for each digit the same give it a A or D (for 0 or 1) and for each digit that differs give it a G or U. Simple XOR operation, and quite a nice little way to fit two messages into one tightly.

So in the {C,U}->0 and {A,G}->1 decode (screw the spoilers) there certainly are a lot of repeated characters, including the character returns/line breaks. What this really means is there are repeating octets when translating to binary this way, which may be an artifact of something else I guess.

Hmmmmm.

And about the Javascript dodad, when I saw there was room for 125 unique characters I decided there's not much need for more. You'd be hard pressed to have something that uses more than 125 different ascii characters anyway.

[edit]
This doesn't really seem to prove much, but I really did it for my own interest. I was curious what sort of proportions of different combinations (1-1, 0-0, 1-0, 0-1) you'd get when comparing two sets of ascii binary as described above. I took the binary representation of the second part of that poem and compared each binary digit to the corresponding one in the first part (shortened as the second half was a bit shorter) and got the following:
0-0 for 37.8 %
1-1 for 28.5 %
0-1 for 16.7 %
1-0 for 17.0 %

What that means is for 37.8% of the characters there was a 0 in both sets of binary at an equal point along them (i.e. 01001 and 01101 both have a 0 for the 1st and 4th character). These proportions are roughly close to what we see in our cipher text, but this point is moot as we already know that trying this method does result in mostly readable ascii anyway.

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sixsidedsquare wrote:
Just take two lots of binary ascii, for each digit the same give it a A or D (for 0 or 1) and for each digit that differs give it a G or U. Simple XOR operation, and quite a nice little way to fit two messages into one tightly.

Ah, kinda sounds like a "Double Helix" code! Cool


sixsidedsquare wrote:
So in the {C,U}->0 and {A,G}->1 decode (screw the spoilers) there certainly are a lot of repeated characters, including the character returns/line breaks. What this really means is there are repeating octets when translating to binary this way, which may be an artifact of something else I guess.

So, after much experimentation with XORing, AND, OR, NOT, etc, of both strings, and getting nowhere fast, I gave up on finding a quick solve and reluctantly started working on a proper symbol frequency analysis of the giberish-y code... well as soon as I started it was a "duh" moment: I found there were 25 unique symbols (other than the carriage returns) with frequencies closely falling along an English text frequency distribution.

This of course suggests monoalphabetic substitution (i.e. a cryptogram) so I first tried the most common 3-letter combination, "XrL" appearing 15 times, as representing the word "the" (so that X->t, r->h, L->e) and then I was stuck for a while, but after trying the next few most common letters in the cryptogram for other common letters in English, I figured out which were a, s, and n, and then I started recognizing some of the words! But then I got confused, doubted myself, but it finally sunk in...

Well, it's a bit glitchy but anyway, to show this better, I grabbed the decoded plain text poem and replaced the returns with pipes (|) and the spaces with returns. Here's the result, next to the other code:
Code:
             Sometimes,  bmmLXqmLYf
                   with  VqXr
                    the  XrL
                   last  nUYX
                  light  nqrrX
                     of  mr
               evening,  LVLlqlrf
                    the  XrL
                  dark,  rUXrf
             ramshackle  XUmYrURrnL
          trains|depart  XXUqlY­¬rLZUXX
                 slowly  YnmVn\
                   from  rXmm
                    the  XrL
    stations;|metallic,  YXUXqmlY«­¬mLXUnnqRf
                 dirty,  rqXX\f
                crammed  RXUmmLr
                   with  VqXr
                hurried  rYXXqLr
                 riders  XqrLXY
                    who  Vrm
                   fall  rUnn
                 silent  YqnLlX
                  while  VrqnL
            the|whistle  XrL­¬VrqYXnL
                   says  YU\Y
               farewell  rUXLVLnn
                     to  Xm
                    the  XrL
         platforms;|and  ZnUXrmXmY«­¬Ulr
                    the  XrL
                   last  nUYX
                 scraps  YRXUZY
                     of  mr
              newspaper  lLVYZUZLX
                 scurry  YRYXX\
                   over  mVLX
              concrete,  RmlRXLXLf
                  under  YlrLX
                 shoes,  YrmLYf
               and|fall  Ulr­¬rUnn
                     to  Xm
                    the  XrL
                shining  Yrqlqlr
           rails;|then,  XUqnY«­¬XrLlf
                     in  ql
                    the  XrL
              evening's  LVLlqlr²Y
                  slant  YnUlX
                 light,  nqrrXf
                    its  qXY
                saffron  YUrrXml
                    and  Ulr
                certain  RLXXUql
                    and  Ulr
          sad-|smelling  YUre­¬YmLnnqlr
                 light,  nqrrXf
                    the  XrL
                   last  nUYX
                coaches  RmURrLY
            vanish;|and  VUlqYr«­¬Ulr
                      I  e
                     am  Um
                    the  XrL
              traveler,  XXUVLnLXf
                      I  e
                     am  Um
                 always  UnVU\Y
                    the  XrL
              traveler,  XXUVLnLXf
               leaning,  nLUlqlrf
                 barely  PUXLn\
             aboard|and  UPmUXr­¬Ulr
                   lost  nmYX
                     in  ql
           thought;|the  XrmYrrX«­¬XrL
               traveler  XXUVLnLX
                    who  Vrm
                    has  rUY
               departed  rLZUXXLr
                    but  PYX
                  never  lLVLX
               arrived,  UXXqVLrf
               pursuing  ZYXYYqlr
              illusions  qnnYYqmlY
               in|train  ql­¬XXUql
           tunnels;|and  XYllLnY«­¬Ulr
                   then  XrLl
                      I  e
                   tell  XLnn
               everyone  LVLX\mlL
               goodbye,  rmmrP\Lf
                    and  Ulr
                goodbye  rmmrP\L
                     to  Xm
                myself,  m\YLnrf
                 waving  VUVqlr
             the|utopic  XrL­¬YXmZqR
    handkerchief;||FIND  rUlrrLXRrqLr«­¬­¬ed?
                     ME  e


My brain is a bit fried right now so I can't quite finish up the full translation table, with all the ambiguous and repeating letter issues. Here's what I got so far:
Code:
X -> t
r -> h or d
L -> e
U -> a
Y -> s
l -> n
m -> m or o
n -> l
q -> i
V -> v or w
f -> ,


But... why?

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Interesting, and somewhat hilarious find there. I think I can elaborate a bit more on the what, but the why still escapes me.

If we pull it back to the original characters and look a bit closer at that, what were seeing is that the spaces in one translation are becoming character returns in the other. You can see this from the original character string that corresponds to every space in the original decode (don't think it misses any):
Code:
CCUCGCGC - original sequence
00100000 - space
00001010 - character return

The only thing that is interesting about this is the same 8 character sequence seems to be used for every occurrence of a space, which by what you found with the simple sub type thing, seems to be similar for most of the characters.

I think a good direction to check now would be to look at how many different original 8 character sequences (of {ACGU}) correspond to different letters from the first decode. From what you've found there daniel, it looks like many of them will only have a single 8 character sequence, eliminating the idea of a second decode. Anyone got the time to check it? I'm kind distracted by other puzzles in this year's Melbourne Uni annual Puzzle Hunt at the mo Razz


And you just wait, after all this sniffing we're going to get the reply back from the creator that there's nothing more. But this is a fun distraction in the meantime.

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