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A LITTLE TIMEWASTER SET
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Allow me to introduce you to Numerical Chameleon.

ETA:
92410919055033166107744971373646490145550715134320953804152826689209926273011536900861158553 in decimal
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 12:29 am
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Time for some course correction I think, to point you more in the right direction. Firstly, I totally wasn't that clever back then and don't think I could have worked that number out. I'm also wondering myself if there was meant to be some meaning to only some having leading zeros, but I'm guessing it was a quirk of the converter I used at the time Strike that, just writing this I saw why they were there. Sneaky former self... Smile

As for a more direct hint to a hint, which is a pretty crappy hint anyways, switch which order round ruler-marks are. You can also ignore the +'s, they were just part of what I must have thought was an awesome cool photoshop brush at the time, which is also what that mess in the background is all about. And finally, there's actually more to that hint above then first meets the eye, something to give you a bit of direction (these Puzzle Hunt puzzles are having a bad influence on me..).

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i thought
Code:
ABBAA CCDDC
was a hint for Bacon cipher; you know, 10011 11001 or 01100 00110

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:26 am
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la!uep
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Something about switching the order which round ruler marks, huh? Switching around, you mean? Turning it around?

So, maybe the long marks were zeroes and the shorts were ones...
011010010010100101101001 (ASCII:"i)i")

Or maybe I was reading it in the wrong direction:
011010010110101101101001 (ASCII:"iki")

hmm... they're both almost symmetrical. To make them perfectly symmetrical it would have to be this:
011010010110100101101001 (ASCII:"iii") or...
011010010010101101101001 (ASCII:"i+i")

hmmm...

Bacon, right (the C's and D's threw me off that path) so using the original version of a Latin alphabet with i=j and u=v (used earlier in this thread), the ruler-marks might be:

ABBAB AABAA BABAA BABBA BAABA = "OEWYT"
ABBAB AABAA BABAA BABBA BAABB = "OEWYU"
BAABA BBABB ABABB ABAAB ABBAA = "T?MKN"
BAABA BBABB ABABB ABAAB ABBAB = "T?MKO"

Maybe I got those marks wrong...

[Edit]
Interpreting the huge hex number as bacon ([A-F]->B, [0-9]->A):
Code:
02D5D_89CC5_ECD77_5501A_F5499_45E48_B3E80_1AEAD_33701_6F8EA_8B024_58D68_85EBD_8DA80_2F076_499??
AABAB AABBA BBBAA AAAAB BAAAA AABAA BABAA ABBBB AAAAA ABABB ABAAA AABAA AABBB ABBAA ABAAA AAA??
  F     G     ?     B     R     E     W     Q     A     M     I     E     H     N     I   (A-D)


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catherwood wrote:
i thought
Code:
ABBAA CCDDC
was a hint for Bacon cipher; you know, 10011 11001 or 01100 00110

No.
la!uep wrote:
Or maybe I was reading it in the wrong direction:
011010010110101101101001 (ASCII:"iki")

Yes.

sixsidedsquare wrote:
switch which order round ruler-marks are

la!uep wrote:
Switching around, you mean? Turning it around?

sixsidedsquare wrote:
And finally,there's actually more to that hint above then first meets the eye, something to give you a bit of direction


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Rogi Ocnorb
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Leetkey made quick work of the reversing and translation to "iki" and I tied that to the big honkin' "W", nearby to get "Wiki", which I assume is a Wikipedia reference (that I am unable to exploit).
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Okay, enough with obscure hints. I don't know if it's just me but this puzzle is starting to smell a little stale.

switch which order round ruler-marks are
Switch it round to get arrows. I'm sorry for calling something that obscure a hint Razz

There are a few steps involved in this puzzle, that are all described in the picture. The Wiki spec was right, and it ties into something close by to it.

See if you can get it with that.

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la!uep
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Sorry six, I'm not getting it. I can't tell what it is I need to switch the order off to get arrows, but thanks for clarifying the hint. I've tried flipping a few things, mostly working with the hex numbers, but I keep getting gibberish. I think the thing related to wiki must be the ABBA code but I can't think of any way of applying some Spanish rhyming pattern.

My kind of puzzles are much more direct in stating the problem (like the one I posted before, or the next one I'm thinking of sharing, or even your Fibonacci squares). I peeked into the puzzle hunt puzzles and I couldn't figure out how or where to start in none of them... I think I must be too lazy or just plain dumb, but I'm sure once I'm told the right path It'll be obvious and I'll want to kick myself.

I hope something clicks for someone, but I'm stumped with this one.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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I've always enjoyed Six' puzzles. He generally gives plenty of info for finding the required path.
When catherwood's Bacon idea was shot down, I found myself at a loss as to how to proceed. I still had no idea what to do with the obvious hex strings, but the arrows made it seem like we'd need to do a Bacon cipher on a book (probably identified and chapter/page/line setup for us by the aforementioned hex and likely id'd by ISBN) and then use that to find a movie, likely at IMDB.
The final arrow has a specific either decimal to hex or hexadecimal clue built into it. So, maybe find the "tt" value for the title.

I tried to figure out a way to convert the hex to binary (based on the Wikipedia clue and leading zeroes in the hex), but couldn't see a way to do it that provided any consistency.
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You are certainly aren't too lazy or dumb, it just a matter of not having seen this particular thing used before. So much of puzzle solving is about pattern recognition, having seen something similar and hopefully being able to 'see' it again when used somewhere else. I really feel sorry for you all having to trudge through this puzzle, I was still young in my puzzle making days and used things that I must have thought were clever at the time, but were really very shallow (in that things could have been much more elegant and flowing). The arrows in the picture were meant to clue in the method to take, but I think all the ideas are out there now, let me just pick them out for you:

la!uep wrote:
Spanish rhyming pattern.

Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
decimal

la!uep wrote:
HEX->DECIMAL

la!uep wrote:
Code:
N:ORIG CODE  HEX->DECIMAL
- ---------  ------------
1:02D5D89CC     761104844
2: 5ECD7755    1590523733
3:01AF54994     452282772
4: 5E48B3E8    1581822952
5:01AEAD337     451597111
6:016F8EA8B     385411723
7:02458D688     609801864
8: 5EBD8DA8    1589480872
9:02F076499     789013657


Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
ISBN

Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
movie


When you find them you will know you have them.

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la!uep
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Grr... I was hoping to sleaze away from this... Cool (yup, lazy ass it is)
Code:
N:HEXADECIM DEC (ISBN) Title - Author
- --------- ---------- -----------------------------------------------------------
1:02D5D89CC 0761104844 1000 Places to See Before You Die - Patricia Schultz
2: 5ECD7755 1590523733 7 Practices of Effective Ministry - A. Stanley, L. Jones, R. Joiner
3:01AF54994 0452282772 7 Steps to a Pain-Free Life - Robin McKenzie, Craig Kubey
4: 5E48B3E8 1581822952 Airtight Case: A Lindsay Chamberlain Novel - Beverly Connor
5:01AE4D337 0451203895 4 blondes - Candace Bushnell
6:016F8EA8B 0385411723 Family - J. California Cooper
7:02458D688 0609801864 The 9 Steps to Financial Freedom - Suze Orman
8: 5EBD8DA8 1589480872 Fun with GPS - Donald Cooke
9:02F076499 0789013657 Frightful Stages - Robert B. Marchesani

At least that explains the leading zeroes. A few titles with numbers... hmm, I dunno, gotta let them sit there for a bit.

ETA1: "When you find them you will know you have them." Rolling Eyes
ETA2: I don't see any rhymes.
ETA3: Maybe:
"1000 Places" with "Frightful Stages"
"7 Steps" with "9 Steps"
"7 Practices" with "Fun with GPS" Confused
ETA4: revised the NO MATCH hex to 01AE4D337 instead of 01AEAD337... dangit that makes me look at the pretty drawing again for all the other non-number ones.
ETA5: ahhg they were all good, I think? so, I see that taking only the Japanese number 1 and then all the primes we get all titles with numbers, 1000 7 7 4 9. Still not finding any rhymes...
ETA6: tt10007749 gives an error at IMDB. Those seem to be always tt+7 digits.
ETA7: alright that's enough edits for this post. wouldn't want to burn out or something Mad

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Hell, I think I was wrong about the puzzle smelling stale, I think it's actually gone bad. I don't know what exactly has happened, but I was certain all the ISBN's came out to books with numbers in the titles when I made it. Confused

So sorry, I should have really checked it right through before I posted it. I did I quickly looked at 3 of the ISBNs before posting and saw they came out to what they should and I just assumed the rest would too. Now I just feel like an idiot who has wasted other people's time.

I guess I'll just back down now. la!uep can go next if he wants, as he put a lot of effort into my broken mess. From now on anything I post here I will check, check and check again to avoid something like this happening again. The really sad thing is, I can't even remember what movie this one was meant to lead to and can't find any of my notes from back then Sad

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la!uep
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Alright so what we have is:

A:1000
B:7
B:7
A:airtight
A:4
C:family
C:9
D:fun
D:frightful
C:(missing ten)

Collecting them:
A = {1000,airtight,4} = 1000/4 = 250
B = {7,7} = 7/2 = 3,500 (this one's a little trickier because of the localization issue)
C = {family,9,missing 10} = A family of 9, 7 missing children (2 parents looking for them) + 10 more missing, probably the cousins = 17 missing
D = {fun,frightful} = about a million horror movies

Clearly we need to multiply AB, subtract C (because of the missing clue), then take the ratio of D to find our movie:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
(250*3500 - 17)/10^6 = 0.874983 ==> tt0874983

Phew!




Surprised Laughing LMAO wow, thankfully I stopped at 7 edits because I was falling asleep. But don't worry six, I had fun! And it's not your fault, anyone else would have assumed the ISBNs would stand the test of time.

What I really want to know, if you remember, is how did the rhyme work?

I'll post one as soon as I can put it all together from my notes... I swear this one's "airtight," really! Razz

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la!uep
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New post because the silliness above is quite distracting.

Quote:
I had 12 peewee marbles (1/2" diameter) which fit perfectly in a little (1 1/2")x(1")x(1") box. But then I got two new beautiful peewees, and it occurred to me that I should make a new box for them by recycling the material from the old box (saw and glue). I quickly realized I would need more material, but then I thought of getting rid of the lid... so, I figured a few ways I could do that, in theory.

But in practice, I have a problem: for every cut I would make on the wood pieces, there's a 1/16"-thick strip in loss of material along the length of the cut due to the thickness of the saw blade. This problem's got me stumped, but I'm still not convinced the lid-less box can't be made. Could you please help me out?

Figure out for me the new box dimensions, the way to saw the old box's sides and glue the pieces back into the new box, and the way to pack all 14 marbles inside it. A sketch plan (or two) would be great!



[Q&A: 1) All given dimensions are internal. 2) Old box sides come apart without any loss of material, and joints do not require any overlap. 3) Sawdust cannot be recycled (like mixing it with glue to create some sort of filler). 4) Box sides and floor cannot have any holes or be constructed as strips with gaps like a fence. 5) All sides must rise up to at least the same height of the top point of the highest marble, i.e. no part of any marble can rise above the edge of any of the sides of the box. 6) In case you need to, it is allowed to trim an edge of a piece of wood by an amount smaller than 1/16" by running the saw along the edge with part of it running over thin air. 7) All marbles and box materials are completely inflexible and incompressible. 8.) I'm not filing down my 1/16" saw blade, and I'm not sending my box off to someone with a thinner blade. 9) Any other questions you have should have straightforward answers, no tricks, just do what is required to fit them marbles in the box... but of course you can ask here and I will answer them as best I can. Enjoy!]

[Heads up: there are two awesome clues coming later this evening which you don't want to miss, but I'll give you a few hours head-start.]

[And there they are, specifically sanitized of any math (to a point) for the mathemagically challenged! Very Happy]


[Final note: if you played the game where this puzzle was featured, please don't give it away, nor try to give hints. I don't think anyone here is familiar with it, but I thought I'd include this request just in case.]

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Is there a rule that says the marbles must be removable from the box without breaking the box?

If not (and while I'm pretty sure I lack the ability to do the math correctly), I can say that my best guestimate for the required size of a 4-sided base pyramid box is 2.372x2.372 for the base and 2.031 for the height, following the rules given.

If the box doesn't have to be completely closed, you can take .254 inch off the top. But again, you'd have to break the box the get the marbles out.

ETA: If there is a requirement that the box allow the marbles in and out without being damaged, I'm sure there is enough material in the top and square sides (blue lines, below) to create two new pyramids to add to the ends (yellow-ish lines). Or even just straight-up walls.
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