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A LITTLE TIMEWASTER SET
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Molnar
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No, I am just passing through. I learned my lesson last time around; hence the reason I didn't present any work, and only hinted to the setter that his puzzle was solved.

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la!uep
Boot


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Molnar wrote:
No, I am just passing through. I learned my lesson last time around; hence the reason I didn't present any work, and only hinted to the setter that his puzzle was solved.

Aw come one you'll hold that grudge for so long? Is this not fun? I can understand your wariness, but one unfortunate incident shouldn't ruin it for you.

Anyway, thanks for hinting and not spoiling.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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Nice, clean puzzle.
Kudos on working out the equations.

I totally should have approached it the other way around.

And yes. I did originally post Sauron for the 6-letter part and then, rethought the bolding, causing a change.

ETA: I've got one ready if nobody else wants to go.
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sixsidedsquare
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Shoot.

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Rogi Ocnorb
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What Am I?

Δ□+Δ+
ΔΔΟ+□
+□++
+□+□+
Δ+Δ□□
+□+□+
++□+□□
+□+□+
ΔΟΟ
++□+□□
Δ++ΟΟ
Δ+++Ο
+Ο□Ο+
+ΔΟΟ□
Δ++ΟΟ
Δ+Δ□□
ΔΟΟ
+□Ο□
Δ□Ο
+□+□+
++□+□□
ΔΔ+□Δ
+□++
+Ο□Ο+
ΔΔΟ□+
++□+□□
++□+□□
Δ□Δ
+□Ο+

Hints:
What shape is a baseball diamond?
I'd suggest; [Radio requirement] + [Distinct tribute ditty]
S02E01P01-P36
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pancito
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A baseball diamond is diamond shaped. Don't let anyone tell you it's a square. The focus it at the vertices. Sure, you could call it a square, and you'd be right, but you'd be soooooo wrong. I don't care if rule 1.04 does say "The infield shall be a 90-foot square." The rules don't use the word diamond at all, so what do they know.

In the same vein, radio requirement must be the whole "may not be rebroadcast or retransmitted without the express written consent of the Commissioner of Baseball" bit, and the ditty has to be "Take Me Out to the Ballgame." Or not. I don't have a clue what this puzzle is doing.

While I'm rambling and ranting may I say how much I hate the singing of 'God Bless America' during the seventh inning stretch? Isn't the National Anthem enough (or two national anthems at Blue Jays games)? No, I don't much care for the DH rule either. And if one of those big companies (Like AT&T) really wanted to make an impression on me they'd hand over some money and say, "No, name it after the greatest Giant that ever played, even if he is still alive. Call it Mays Field." (I love Barry, but he's just the greatest player that was ever a Giant.)
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Has this turned into the weird math thread?
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Jeez, man.

It's not like I was asking for the configuration of a PRR T1 or a B&O N-1.
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sixsidedsquare
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I got no answers, so how about some observations.

The 'base' in baseball is italics, leading to thoughts of number bases. Seeing as there are only 4 symbols this makes me think base 4 (and give me thoughts of one of my older puzzles Wink). Now none of the numbers would likely have a preceding zero, so that would count out Δ or + as being zero. I would take a random guess at ordering by corners so that would be Ο=0, +=1, Δ=2, □=3. Next step here would be to convert all the numbers using this to base 10 and see if anything is noticeable, but it's late here, so tomorrow if no one else has by then.

I've got no idea for the second hint, but the third seems to be in the format of Series Episode, being series 2, episode 1. I got no idea what the P01-36 means though, page?

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pancito
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I'm just in a baseball frame of mind and can't think of anything else. Sorry. Sad

And those are easy... 4-4-4-4. So base 4. (=HOME!)
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Rogi Ocnorb
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Okay then...

MLB 1950 or NL 2009
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doublecross
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Don't know much about baseball, but the cipher consists of:

29 sets (17 different variations) of four symbols, between three and six long.

If a circle is 1, a plus is 2, a triangle is 3 and a square is 4, which they tend to suggest, translating the lowest value to 'a' and so on gives pmfiliqiaqjkghjlaebiqofgnqqcd - could be a substitution cipher. No 'baseball' in there, though.

Adding each together and taking the corresponding letter gives: NMJNPNRNERIJJKIPEKHNROJJMRRJI. Not much there, plus the 17 variations boils down to only 10 different letters. Probably not a cipher.

Could be base four, but then why no zeros? Could be base three (with each digit one less than above), which gives a range between 18 and 426.
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sixsidedsquare
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Ha, so me and daniel were kicking ideas around in chat and stumbled upon the almost solve. I'll spoil it bit by bit of anyone doesn't want to see it all at once:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
So first following on from yesterdays thoughts, changing to the base 4 numbers and then converting to decimal give the following numbers:
729
647
468
477
623
477
1503
477
32
1503
592
596
305
387
592
623
32
115
44
477
1503
670
117
305
653
1503
1503
46
452

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
The things to take note of in this are the 32's which are decimal ascii for a space and the 46 and 44, which are full stop and comma respectively. This had us looking around at character encoding that went up to 1503, leading to identifying it as...
Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Unicode. And using this handy site: http://unicode.coeurlumiere.com/ the corresponding Unicode characters come out as follows:

˙ʇǔǝɯǝןǝ ןɐɔıƃɐɯ s,ǝןʞuıʍןן.q

Which is upside down text for "b˙llwinkle's magical element."

However we're still not quite sure as to the answer of "Who am I?". Any ideas?

--[EDIT]--
Ohhhhhh, S02E01P01-36...
Back soon, off to watch some cartoons.

--[DOUBLE EDIT]--
So it seems that episode of the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show centered around the anti gravity metal Upsidaisium. This quite fits with the whole 'magic element' and upside down text. Still doesn't answer "Who am I?" but it's gotta pretty much be it. Maybe the it's just referring to Bullwinkle?


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la!uep
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Ahh here we go, Six, even your "S02E01" hunch was right!

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
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EDIT: Saw your double edit. Just thought I'd mention that the question in the subject was "What Am I?" not "Who am I?"

I'm still not quite sure why the u in bull was censored with that period, and why the last n (ǔ) has that little thing under it, instead of using a regular u (like the first n). That's two odd things involving the letter's n and u, which are the upside down version of each other.

DOUBLE EDIT: Well, that funny "ǔ" one turned out to be a base conversion error (my converter interpreted a spurious trailing space as a zero). The funny thing is it came up with a code that matched the same basic character!

Six, your list also has the last number wrong. It should be 113 (I suspect you used the same converter I did).

TRIPLE EDIT: Ha! turns out the original had a missing symbol which explains that censored "b*ll". The next to last code should have been "+Δ□Δ" (missed the + sign), which would convert to 1232 in base 4, 110 in decimal, and ascii char for "n" which is of course "u" upsidedown.

So the correct list of decimal unicodes is:

729 647 117 477 623 477 1503 477 32 1503 592 596 305 387 592 623 32 115 44 477 1503 670 117 305 653 1503 1503 110 113

This fixes the three errors, one done by each one of us, Rogi, Six, and myself. Very Happy


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Rogi Ocnorb
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Good job, guys.
Not sure where that plus sign got dropped. It was probably during the constant re-pasting I had to do to get the [i] tag to fire without the board converting all the symbols to their decimal HTML entities. It stores characters such as the Delta symbol just as you see them on screen, but if you make any change to the post, at all, it'll convert certain of the Unicode characters to decimal codes on "Preview" or "Submit". (Does anyone know why it does that?).

Sorry for all the baseball and train diversions. Six had done everything perfect in his last post but mentioned decimal as his next step. So I wanted to give more "sixteen" hints. (Since the whole "squaring bases" hint didn't really work). Isn't it more common to refer to Unicode characters in their hex format such as "006E' instead of "110" for the one where I dropped the MSD?

The 2nd hint was of the kind I really seem to not do very well at.
"Radio Requirement" was supposed to be "Aerial" and "Distinct tribute ditty" was supposed to be "Unique ode". Arial Unicode is the best common Windows font for seeing stuff like "ɯnısɐpısdn".

Batter up! Wink
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sixsidedsquare
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All right, I've got one fresh from the oven here. Heavy influence from the styling of puzzles in a current game and actually based around one way I thought one might be solved (so Rogi might have to hold back on this one for a bit, because I think he heard the speculating). It actually turned out a bit more sparse than I would have liked, but oh well. Have at it.





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