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[INFO] Mars Madison's Diary
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teufelsdrochk
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EnsO wrote:

this curious little addition to the ciphers definitely makes things much more challenging and is a credit to the originality of thought of our PMs! anyway, something to bear in mind for future solves to be sure!

you're a tricky one, Marsy!


Yes, the PM once again impress me with the degree of difficulty of these puzzles. A block cypher with no spaces and occasional misspellings is probably about as sophisticated as sub cyphers get.

Anyone who's toying with the idea of writing an ARG (And aren't we all?) should definitely take note: a simple misspelling means the decoding probably has to be done by hand. That one change keeps the difficulty sane but it requires real people connect the dots.

The middle cypher looks like another simple sub cypher. First step is for some1 to do letter frequencies.

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swift360
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I'm a little confused because I haven't done any of the cyphering so far - but which page of the journal do we have left to cypher? the M # page?
thanks in advance.

Edit: what if it's binary code (just use lines of 8 )?

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courtknee
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The middle Swift:
Entry 6 Page 1:

T F F I B H .
B 2 ƒ ƒ _
5 G T G M
Z Z B F p '
_ F B 5 F H
T F ƒ F p B (illegible)
F G H G B 5 ƒ
Z Z p Z ƒ H F
p 1 F 6 ƒ T
B F T F s B G
B Z Z p 2 F ' _

Entry 6 Page 2:

p F F F s _
' F F p '
F F B _ F B 5
F F p p H
B F s 2 F 2
1 ƒ G B Z B
5 2 p 2 _ 6
S B

MM

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swift360
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courtknee wrote:
The middle Swift:
Entry 6 Page 1:

T F F I B H .
B 2 ƒ ƒ _
5 G T G M
Z Z B F p '
_ F B 5 F H
T F ƒ F p B (illegible)
F G H G B 5 ƒ
Z Z p Z ƒ H F
p 1 F 6 ƒ T
B F T F s B G
B Z Z p 2 F ' _

Entry 6 Page 2:

p F F F s _
' F F p '
F F B _ F B 5
F F p p H
B F s 2 F 2
1 ƒ G B Z B
5 2 p 2 _ 6
S B

MM

thank you!

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marthajones
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Hi, I've been following this ARG for a few weeks now and that meet-up was absolutely hilarious - thanks for the videos!

Just de-lurking to say that I don't think the three businesswomen are the triumvirate, at least not if you take the literal Latin sense of the word - it means "of three men".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumvirate

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Regarding the last pages we need to decode:

I would recommend people look at the photo rather than the typed version. My friend (chateauRat002a) and I have been going back and forth on some characters. Specifically:

*1 vs l vs |
*2 vs z
*4 vs H
*5 vs s
*6 vs G
*p vs 10?
*B vs 3/13?

For instance, it is unclear to us whether all her 2-looking characters are always 2s. Sometimes they may be zs.
On the one hand if there is no distinction between when she writes a 2 or a z, then we are fine. We may not yet know which character she intends to use the whole time, but all that matters for the decryption is that it is the same character consistently. On the other hand, if the 2 and z (for instance) are different characters then the number of characters she uses jumps from somewhere around 14 to somewhere around 20.

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joshspazjosh
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I agree with TimeTraveller on the ambiguousness of certain letters...

Can the people who attended the meetup confirm that the businesswomen, uh, actually drank the milkshake? Kind of a ridiculous question to ask but as I was watching the video I noticed someone mention that most (if not all) of the milkshake was still left unconsumed.

EDIT: Also, I've been replacing the transcribed ciphers at the beginning of the thread with decoded entries as the puzzles get solved, if anyone cares.

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Saprophyte
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TIMELINE

Not being very good at ciphers and codes, I decided to look back at Mars's Facebook status update and try to match them and the diary up on a timeline. I thought this might help us figure out what she was talking about regarding the "triumvirate." I also remembered that she said, two days before starting work at Blackstar, that she was staying indoors until she'd worked a few things out, and there was something mentioned (on a phone call maybe?) about rebels? A rebel attack maybe? (I haven't looked back at the Mars Needs Friends conversations, yet.)

This would all seem to fit in, in my mind, with the idea that she's working as some sort of mole at Blackstar. A week after she started at Blackstar, her status post was that she was exhausted. This must have been after she started encoding her diary, so I'm wondering if the encoded parts could explain what made her so tired?

I know this isn't much and maybe nothing at all....

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Big T
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joshspazjosh wrote:
I agree with TimeTraveller on the ambiguousness of certain letters...

Can the people who attended the meetup confirm that the businesswomen, uh, actually drank the milkshake? Kind of a ridiculous question to ask but as I was watching the video I noticed someone mention that most (if not all) of the milkshake was still left unconsumed.

EDIT: Also, I've been replacing the transcribed ciphers at the beginning of the thread with decoded entries as the puzzles get solved, if anyone cares.


Hey - I can confirm... The milkshake was about 1/3 empty (or 2/3 full), and there were three straws in there.

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I'd say it would be pretty illogical if the triumverate turned out to be the three businesswomen, considering they were the ones who handed over the diary! From a story standpoint that would make no sense.

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This has probably been suggested before, but in one of the videos Joey mentions that rebel groups are joining together. Could the triumvirate be an alliance of three rebel groups?

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Big T wrote:
joshspazjosh wrote:
I agree with TimeTraveller on the ambiguousness of certain letters...

Can the people who attended the meetup confirm that the businesswomen, uh, actually drank the milkshake? Kind of a ridiculous question to ask but as I was watching the video I noticed someone mention that most (if not all) of the milkshake was still left unconsumed.

EDIT: Also, I've been replacing the transcribed ciphers at the beginning of the thread with decoded entries as the puzzles get solved, if anyone cares.


Hey - I can confirm... The milkshake was about 1/3 empty (or 2/3 full), and there were three straws in there.


Two of them actually drank from their straws at the same time, at one point. It was a thing of beauty.

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EnsO
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TimeTraveller wrote:
Regarding the last pages we need to decode:

I would recommend people look at the photo rather than the typed version. My friend (chateauRat002a) and I have been going back and forth on some characters. Specifically:

*1 vs l vs |
*2 vs z
*4 vs H
*5 vs s
*6 vs G
*p vs 10?
*B vs 3/13?

For instance, it is unclear to us whether all her 2-looking characters are always 2s. Sometimes they may be zs.
On the one hand if there is no distinction between when she writes a 2 or a z, then we are fine. We may not yet know which character she intends to use the whole time, but all that matters for the decryption is that it is the same character consistently. On the other hand, if the 2 and z (for instance) are different characters then the number of characters she uses jumps from somewhere around 14 to somewhere around 20.


couldn't agree more, TimeTraveler!

i started looking at this a bit yesterday as well. we need to look at Mars' own handwriting on this one, much more than the previous two ciphers. the handwriting is definitely ambiguous and the "piano" and "forte" things are certainly in question. these issues are not addressed by a simple transcription. (at least in this case, imho)

also, didn't thebruce already do a frequency on this?...

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Beeswax
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TimeTraveller wrote:
Regarding the last pages we need to decode:

I would recommend people look at the photo rather than the typed version. My friend (chateauRat002a) and I have been going back and forth on some characters. Specifically:

*1 vs l vs |
*2 vs z
*4 vs H
*5 vs s
*6 vs G
*p vs 10?
*B vs 3/13?


Hmm, comparing to the previous pages where we know what the characters are I'd say there's nothing really ambigous there. Unless the author is trying to be ambigous.

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EnsO
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Beeswax wrote:
TimeTraveller wrote:
Regarding the last pages we need to decode:

I would recommend people look at the photo rather than the typed version. My friend (chateauRat002a) and I have been going back and forth on some characters. Specifically:

*1 vs l vs |
*2 vs z
*4 vs H
*5 vs s
*6 vs G
*p vs 10?
*B vs 3/13?


Hmm, comparing to the previous pages where we know what the characters are I'd say there's nothing really ambigous there. Unless the author is trying to be ambigous.


don't know what you're seeing here, Bee, but i see multiple issues of ambiguity in the handwriting...

Z=2 for example?

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