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[39C] Clue Founders/Finders
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Ekatprof
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sapagoo wrote:
Founders/Finders:

Gervais Raoul Lufbery - Archive implies he took an unauthorized flight from Luxeuil on Sept 20, 1916, returning with a package.
"In addition to shooting down countless German planes, you've tracked down an Ekaterina Clue!"
http://www.the39clues.com/cahillweb/article/10-gervais-raoul-lufbery
http://sapagoo.unfiction.com/cahillweb/article/janus-archives-letter-to-gervais-raoul-lufbery.htm


This clue may be refering to card 15:Telegram, where "Jack" asks Gervais if he could break the telegram code. Gervais might have known of the Phosphorus clue all along.

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in 2007,Grace took 12 trips to Madagascar.the Lucians suspect clue activity." mission 0


Probably linked to card 68. Maybe Grace hid a clue or two there. Problem is, if she did hide a clue there, wont there be another clue unlocked by now?

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sapagoo wrote:
So I was trying to find evidence that Grace had actually found a Clue. The "was in Vienna" probably isn't enough evidence, though. Especially since the Mozart Clue was actually in Racco's mansion in Venice.
But between that letter, and the Bonus Audio from Book 2 where we know Grace was looking at Nannerl's diary, it makes me think that Grace also knew where the Mozart Clue was located.
When I was reading the note from Vienna, I thought that she might be alluding to another clue being hidden at Mozart's "original" grave. Her journal says
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His original grave site was "lost" many years ago -- or so the poor fools think

What do you think? Am I reading too much into this?

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parth2024 wrote:
I think that Grace knew where ALL the clues were hidden, and also the secret power of the Cahills, because Alistair mentions in MoB that Grace seemed to have 'woven all the clues together.' But what makes her a Founder is the copper chip which, presumably, she found and hid in her daughter's wrist
While I will give you that Grace knew where all the clues were, what evidence do you have to draw the conclusion that Grace hid the copper clue in Hope Cahill's wrist? What I recall is that Hope was doing quite a bit of clue hunting in her younger years. With the info that I am aware of, I think it is just as plausible that Hope found the copper clue herself and hid it herself, though likely with her mother's knowledge.

I wonder if after the X-Ray was taken they moved the clue before Hope's death? I certainly hope they wouldn't have needed to retrieve it post-mortem. That is a macabre thought.

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 		[quote="aliceinwunderland"]
parth2024 wrote:
I think that Grace knew where ALL the clues were hidden, and also the secret power of the Cahills, because Alistair mentions in MoB that Grace seemed to have 'woven all the clues together.' But what makes her a Founder is the copper chip which, presumably, she found and hid in her daughter's wrist[/quote)

I wonder if after the X-Ray was taken they moved the clue before Hope's death? I certainly hope they wouldn't have needed to retrieve it post-mortem. That is a macabre thought.


Actuaaly it wouldn't be that bad it's just like a postmortntern
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BEDOMII wrote:
aliceinwunderland wrote:
I certainly hope they wouldn't have needed to retrieve it post-mortem.


Actually it wouldn't be that bad it's just like a postmortntern
Sure, it wouldn't be bad if you are a pathologist performing an autopsy on a stranger. But, if it was your daughter that you are slicing open to retrieve a clue?... That just wouldn't be right.

This brings up another question. In general, how does it work once a clue is found? Is it the finder/founder's responsibility to hide it again? At what point are the clues collected as opposed to being found and hidden?

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aliceinwunderland wrote:
BEDOMII wrote:
aliceinwunderland wrote:
I certainly hope they wouldn't have needed to retrieve it post-mortem.


Actually it wouldn't be that bad it's just like a postmortntern
Sure, it wouldn't be bad if you are a pathologist performing an autopsy on a stranger. But, if it was your daughter that you are slicing open to retrieve a clue?... That just wouldn't be right.

This brings up another question. In general, how does it work once a clue is found? Is it the finder/founder's responsibility to hide it again? At what point are the clues collected as opposed to being found and hidden?


Is it the finder/founder's responsibility to hide it again? Maybe. The clue may be studied when the founder/finder's is alive but hidden founder/finder is about to die to prevent the other branches from finding the clue. Maybe only when the contest was started when the clues are actually collected.

Or maybe the clues were collected but since too many clues were being stolen from each other did the four branches decide to hide the clues rather than have the other branches steal them.

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Ekatprof wrote:
Or maybe the clues were collected but since too many clues were being stolen from each other did the four branches decide to hide the clues rather than have the other branches steal them.

I like this theory.

SPEC:
Each of the 4 branches know where 6-10 clues are hid. Each of the 4 branches is trying to collect all 39 clues by stealing/finding the clues they don't have under their control. And they are failing miserably.

James, Grace, Hope, and Arthur took on the task of finding all 39 clues, but not stealing them, only making note of their current location. At some point, Grace realized that she couldn't steal all 39 clues without someone stopping her, so she set about to make it so that someone, or a team, could find all 39 clues quickly. But she wanted the person/people that found them to earn it.
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sapagoo wrote:
Ekatprof wrote:
Or maybe the clues were collected but since too many clues were being stolen from each other did the four branches decide to hide the clues rather than have the other branches steal them.

I like this theory.

SPEC:
Each of the 4 branches know where 6-10 clues are hid. Each of the 4 branches is trying to collect all 39 clues by stealing/finding the clues they don't have under their control. And they are failing miserably.

James, Grace, Hope, and Arthur took on the task of finding all 39 clues, but not stealing them, only making note of their current location. At some point, Grace realized that she couldn't steal all 39 clues without someone stopping her, so she set about to make it so that someone, or a team, could find all 39 clues quickly. But she wanted the person/people that found them to earn it.


I think more like Grace was getting too old did she set up this contest. I was thinking about the part where William McIntyre took out the SECOND will in the first chapter of MoB.

To me, this looks like Grace wanted to find the 39 clues herself but since she was falling ill and was dying, she set up the contest so that somebody else could find the 39 clues. She was hoping Hope or Dan and Amy would find them, so she trained them in various ways so that they will be ready for the contest.

Of course, Hope died in the fire so Amy and Dan were Grace's last hope of her side of the family finding the 39 clues.

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 		I love sapagoo's theory, and I think each founder/finder has been assigned a clue to safeguard by his/her branch leadership, and no one ever knows where all of them are until one branch gets all 39.

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 		how will they know if substances are a clue or not??

Example: Marie Curie "discovered" the clue. How did they know it was a clue?

And how do they identify which branch it came from??

Ex: Gervais Raul Lufbery found an Ekaterina clue. How did they know it was an Ekat clue?

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glalieguy wrote:
how will they know if substances are a clue or not??

Example: Marie Curie "discovered" the clue. How did they know it was a clue?

Maybe the original 4 Cahills didn't have names for all the ingredients. Maybe some of the clues were just called "rock we found in German mine." They could have documented all the qualities of the Clue, but lost the actual clue.
glalieguy wrote:

And how do they identify which branch it came from??

Ex: Gervais Raul Lufbery found an Ekaterina clue. How did they know it was an Ekat clue?
I assume that Lufbery knew that the Ekaterina had hid a clue, and stole it from them.
I consider clues belonging to the branch that hid them, and presumably are the only branch that know exactly where the clue is. Tungsten was a Janus Clue up until Dan and Amy stole it.
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Ekatprof wrote:
sapagoo wrote:
Ekatprof wrote:
Or maybe the clues were collected but since too many clues were being stolen from each other did the four branches decide to hide the clues rather than have the other branches steal them.

I like this theory.

SPEC:
Each of the 4 branches know where 6-10 clues are hid. Each of the 4 branches is trying to collect all 39 clues by stealing/finding the clues they don't have under their control. And they are failing miserably.

James, Grace, Hope, and Arthur took on the task of finding all 39 clues, but not stealing them, only making note of their current location. At some point, Grace realized that she couldn't steal all 39 clues without someone stopping her, so she set about to make it so that someone, or a team, could find all 39 clues quickly. But she wanted the person/people that found them to earn it.


I think more like Grace was getting too old did she set up this contest. I was thinking about the part where William McIntyre took out the SECOND will in the first chapter of MoB.

To me, this looks like Grace wanted to find the 39 clues herself but since she was falling ill and was dying, she set up the contest so that somebody else could find the 39 clues. She was hoping Hope or Dan and Amy would find them, so she trained them in various ways so that they will be ready for the contest.

Of course, Hope died in the fire so Amy and Dan were Grace's last hope of her side of the family finding the 39 clues.


The contest and the Second will was set up after Hope's death since

Maze of Bones, Ch. 1 wrote:
Her lawyer brought out the alternate version, which had been her most guarded secret for seven years.


And we know that Amy and Dan lost their parents seven years ago.

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 		We need to add Tavernier to the list of Founders/Finders.
He must have found a clue and hid it in one of those diamonds (possibly the Tavernier Blue).

Also, someone hid a Clue in the NY Subway.
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 		pie
alfred ely beach(ekat)(or grace)

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joek1234 wrote:
alfred ely beach(ekat)(or grace)


Ummm..... huh?

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