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Talaisan
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 		2PHP appears twice, and if PNP is EVE, then perhaps PHP is EYE?

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natas
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 		working backwards from the first puzzle and incorporating it into the codex, I can see a pattern as to how it works, but still don't fully understand it. I drew a incomplete diagram as to how the letters translate. It makes a distinct L-shape for each corresponding letter. I hope this makes sense.
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 		Just poking my head in. It would seem the knight in the image is a clue - the moves natas has drawn are the way knights move in chess. This would limit the number of possible translations for each letter in the ciphertext (8 possibilities). It would also explain how P can be both H and E.

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Olorin
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natas wrote:
working backwards from the first puzzle and incorporating it into the codex, I can see a pattern as to how it works, but still don't fully understand it. I drew a incomplete diagram as to how the letters translate. It makes a distinct L-shape for each corresponding letter. I hope this makes sense.


Yeah I saw the Kinght's move pattern earlier on the first message.
But the direction doesn't seem consistent to me..

PNP = EVE

P -[Up, Up, Right]-> E
N -[Down, Right, Right]-> V

Also, if the Knight was to move in some pattern (e.g.: UUR for the first letter, RRD for the second, and so on in clockwise or counterclockwise fashion), then I couldn't explain PNP=EVE with the P 'sticking' to the same direction within 3 letters

Updated with the moves for all letters fromt he first message (U=Up, D=Down, L=Left, R=Right)
Code:

I -[DDL, LDD]-> T
P -[LLU, ULL]-> H
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E

I -[DDL, LDD]-> T (*)
2 -[UUR, RUU]-> R
Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A
V -[LLU, ULL]-> N
O -[LLU, ULL]-> G
W -[UUR, RUU]-> L
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)

L -[LLU, ULL]-> D
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
V -[LLU, ULL]-> N (*)
I -[DDL, LDD]-> T (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)

Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
H -[DDL, LDD]-> S

P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
N -[RRD, DRR]-> V
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)

H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)

P -[LLU, ULL]-> H
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
W -[UUR, RUU]-> L (*)
R -[UU]-> F <No> B
2 -[UUR, RUU]-> R (*)
W -[LLU, ULL]-> O
I -[DDL, LDD]-> T (*)
P -[LLU, ULL]-> H (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
2 -[UUR, RUU]-> R (*)

P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
N -[RRD, DRR]-> V (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)

Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)

I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
L -[LLU, ULL]-> D (*)
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
U -[LLU, ULL]-> M

H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)

O -[LLU, ULL]-> G (*)
Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
2 -[UUR, RUU]-> R (*)
W -[UUR, RUU]-> L (*)
R -[UU]-> F <No> R (*)
Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
V -[LLU, ULL]-> N (*)
L -[LLU, ULL]-> D (*)

I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
L -[LLU, ULL]-> D (*)
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
U -[LLU, ULL]-> M

Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)

L -[LLU, ULL]-> D (*)
I -[LLU, ULL]-> A (*)
V -[LLU, ULL]-> N (*)
I -[DDL, LDD]-> T (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)

H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)

J -[LLU, ULL]-> B (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
H -[DDL, LDD]-> S (*)
I -[DDL, LDD]-> T (*)

R -[UU]-> F <No> R (*)
Q -[LLU, ULL]-> I (*)
P -[UUR, RUU]-> E (*)
V -[LLU, ULL]-> N (*)
L -[LLU, ULL]-> D (*)

(*) Not first time the letter appears (already had an assigned path ?)


I'll go on and see what I spot... is there no knight move because we're at the right border of the image ?

Oh and of course, the background of the second image is the image of a knight, duh.

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Olorin
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 		Still checking but it looks like
the letters in the top-left quadrant (ABC, GHI, MNO) in the clear text get encoded by moving RRD
The letters in the top-right quadrant (DEF, JKL, PQR) in the clear text get encoded moving DDL (fixed: I typo-ed DDR earlier, sorry)

bottom-left quadrant (STU, YZ0, 456) encoded via UUR ?
bottom-right quadrant don't know yet

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Talaisan
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 		Eve will give you a gift from the past [opqkp] is a present for the future she can be found at myspace.com/eve[uivlp2] she will add you as a friend if you mention the white rabbit.

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 		What the...
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Eve will give you a gift from the past [opqkp] is a present for the future she can be found at myspace.com/eve[uivlp2] she will add you as a friend if you mention the white rabbit.


OK, so is this the solve for the puzzle or what??? That kinda came outta the blue.
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 		Re: What the...
Cowabella wrote:
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Eve will give you a gift from the past [opqkp] is a present for the future she can be found at myspace.com/eve[uivlp2] she will add you as a friend if you mention the white rabbit.


OK, so is this the solve for the puzzle or what??? That kinda came outta the blue.


http://www.myspace.com/eve
Quote:

In 2009, Eve will debut her highly anticipated album, Here I Am, a more mature and adventurous album, one she calls her best effort to date.


..Here I Am...
fits with EYE Am Coming

I'll send a message/befriend and see if we get a gift Smile
Right now I'm guessing a preview/extra track

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 		I highly doubt that's an IG site.

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Cowabella
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 		Olorin said
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..Here I Am...
fits with EYE Am Coming

I'll send a message/befriend and see if we get a gift Smile
Right now I'm guessing a preview/extra track


Hope you're right! Guess I'm just not thinking out of the box enough. May be too old for this game!
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 		How the...
Still wanna know how Talaisan came up with the solve. Cmon, give it up... Wink
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 		Re: How the...
Cowabella wrote:
Still wanna know how Talaisan came up with the solve. Cmon, give it up... Wink


Well, most of the letters were encoded in the first riddle... I'm going through to figure exactly what's missing and if the knight move pattern by quadrant works

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 		Natas said:
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I highly doubt that's an IG site.


I kinda have to go along with Natas on this one although it is quite a coinkydink that her new album fits in with the theme of this production that well. I've been trying to figure out what the rest of the myspace url is tacked on to the end of eve...no joy yet.
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 		Could the [opqkp] be [which]? That would give us a letter (h) in the url...
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 		ehehe nice work: check TSO myspace blog

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