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[vpisteve]

...and history repeats itself once again. Yes, we've heard pretty much this exact response dozens and dozens of times, almost word-for word (lack of open-mindedness, censorship, etc.), even. Although admittedly you've succeeded in coming up with a new twist with your fundamentalist mosque jab.

Of course we know we CAN do all these things you suggest. It's not so much that we don't WANT to, as much as we've purposefully chosen NOT to (for the reasons stated in my previous post). There have been other ARG forums that took a different approach, with varying results. Unfiction is what it is, to a certain extent because of the policies it's chosen to implement, which doesn't mean it's more right or wrong than anyone else. It's just is what it is.

People can discuss games and design and whatever they want here to their hearts content. We generally don't delete posts (which is more than I can say about a LOT of forums), we don't censor discussion. Your comments certainly don't "offend" me. It's just that it's a pretty tired argument to try to justify these actions.

You asked why unfiction has this policy, and I tried to give you a good answer. <shrug>

[teh_lisa]

so I just noticed your title, Steve. I spit soda out of my mouth.

[addlepated]

That's a misinterpretation of both the first amendment and the "This is not a game" concept, Shadow Coyote.

The first amendment states that Congress shall not make laws that restrict freedom of speech or religion. Since this is a privately-owned message board, you have no first amendment rights here, or on pretty much any other internet forum.

"This is not a game" is the attitude that the game itself should be taking in regards to the actions of the ARG. The characters should be taking themselves seriously. It has nothing to do with how the players should approach the game.

Now then, like others have mentioned, this has come up before and various other play spaces have been set up, with varying degrees of success. Who's to say you're not the one to set up the newest, greatest, and most spectacular line-bending play space that's ever been seen? I've always thought that this genre could benefit from multiple satellite communities. If you think that games could be played better another way, then by golly, go innovate it! I'd be really interested to see what happens.

[krystyn]

Re: WOW

[Star Spider]

WOW 2.0

[Agent Lex]

Hmm... I've seen this situation before.

ARG that "breaks the mould" - check
Star Spider starting the thread - check
Star Spider being the only advocate - check

Hmmmm... (NSFW language)

[Rogi Ocnorb]

 

[CrispyG4]

GEORGE WASHINTON WOULD CRAP HIS PANTS.

[Pixiestix]

Wait, why is there even an argument here? Rules were broken, they have admitted to breaking them, and have thrown temper tantrums ABOUT the rules.

the point they don't seem to get is, this ISN'T about playing games, or the genre in which the games exist. And that point KEEPS getting missed, over and over AND OVER by Star and her team - unfiction is NOT arging. We happen to be one of many communities that play ARGs. In *THIS* community, yes, we like things a certain way. IF you don't like it, yes, go play someplace else. It sounds harsh when you want it to sound harsh, and putting SHOCKING comparisons in a response can make it even more harsh, but frankly - it is true. If you don't like the rules someplace, the easy non-drama response is DON'T play there. Personally, while I held an account there, I didn't like the rules at IU - so i didn't play there. No need for drama, nor any need for me to try to change their way of life.

The other issue being missed here is that people telling you to change threads at this point, or trying to point you to previous discussions ARE trying to keep the organization that has served us here well - Meta discussions tend to move over to the meta threads. So please stop taking offense and reading drama where there is none, thereby creating drama. It is a very tired way of discussion. That negativity you keep seeing might be a sense of aggravation at your continual refusal to see this has been done to death here at unfiction.

Want to change the genre? Good! it is growing in leaps and bounds every day. Yes, there are people like me who only play games that fit certain formulas - tell me again that i need to reevaluate my hobby, and i'll point out where the negativity towards you starts for me.

[Storm E. Crow]

 Don't worry, be happy!

[notgordian]

My understanding of the thread is that people would love to talk about this topic, but in the META section where people who didn't play/follow this game can find it easier (both now and in the future) either through continuing one of the prior discussions or starting a new thread.

[Pixiestix]

Re: Don't worry, be happy!

[xnbomb]

Re: Don't worry, be happy!

[labfly]

if your game design needs a forum - create a forum. eldritch errors
has its own (v active) forum called sentry outpost. check it out.
creating forums & other ig gathering spaces where you can blur the line
between your storyworld and the real world is a part of many arg
designs. (the archives here are full of examples - search them out)
not certain why this should be a hang up for you.
this is someone else's site. respect it.
if its the traffic of unfiction you are seeking...
well, there are many creative ways to funnel interest
to your own ig forum. also, you can expand your audience
beyond just this one community.

[jamesi]

Re: Don't worry, be happy!