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Talaisan
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 		That's the right time period for the photo. When was that one done?
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 		Right at the turn to the 20th century (1895-1918)

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 		So we're looking for a turn of the century family photograph, and my hunch says some form of minor nobility or other high society. Those sashes on the two to the top left are there for some reason.
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 		From what I can tell, they are European. The photo looks older than the one I linked to, so might be closer to mid 1800's. Google images isn't being very helpful, but I'm still looking.

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From what I can tell, they are European.


I keep somehow thinking Spanish; the two guys with the sashes look a lot like Spaniards to me, and I've run across images of Francisco Franco wearing a similar sash.

But the mustache guy certainly doesn't look like a Spaniard.
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 		Well, I've done some checking around. People who know a lot more about these types of things pretty much all agree on a few things:

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1. They don't know who is portrayed.
2. It does not appear to be an imperial family or royal family.
3. The sashes on the two on the left do not appear to be military in origin. More likely civic, religious, fraternal, lodge, local government, etc. But not military.


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Nighthawk wrote:
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From what I can tell, they are European.


I keep somehow thinking Spanish; the two guys with the sashes look a lot like Spaniards to me, and I've run across images of Francisco Franco wearing a similar sash.

But the mustache guy certainly doesn't look like a Spaniard.


fransico franco's sash is neither multicolored, has an emblem, nor is it worn over the left shoulder.

wearing it over the left shoulder seems to be something that is not commonly done yet I cant find one that matches them

eta: I take that back about the multicolored/stripe issue, he did indeed eventually wear a striped sash

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 		Hey all!

Great work so far! I am going to go through the songs again tonight and check out the lyrics to see if I can see any pattern at all... As for the image, it seems like the two girls on the far left are twins or at least sisters and the sashes would for sure be a good way to find out what kind of family this is. My curiosity, naturally, lies in the circled guy with the handle bar 'stache!

Talaisan - thanks - glad you like it - feel free to quote it! Smile

Just curious, has no one else received anything? I was looking at the game I thought it might be a part of, someone invited me to a Toronto Game awhile back, but it seems they are gone from Facebook - how curious!

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 		BTW - I believe the numerical listing of the songs is a function of me pulling them from my iTunes to upload them!

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 		They really do resemble the Romanov family, there are the right amount of children but I can't find the picture anywhere. If this is a game about the Romanovs I'm definitely in Smile
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snorkle256 wrote:
fransico franco's sash is neither multicolored, has an emblem, nor is it worn over the left shoulder.

wearing it over the left shoulder seems to be something that is not commonly done yet I cant find one that matches them


I mentioned in my first post on this thread that it was on the wrong shoulder. Smile

Anyway, this picture ain't much to go on. Maybe these guys know Satoshi? Wink
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 		Full Song List With Lyrics
Hey! Here is a list I have been compiling of the songs and lyrics (proper order in here - directly from the CD).

01 - My Favorite Game - The Cardigans
02 - Capricorn (A Brand New Name) - 30 Seconds to Mars
03 - Hero - The Verve Pipe
04 - Splendid Isolation - Warren Zevon
05 - Make Yourself - Incubus
06 - Walking Contradiction - Green Day
07 - Unknown - Jazzy Drum and Bass
08 - Fiction (Dreams in Digital) - Orgy
09 - The Start of Something - Vox Trot
10 - Mother Fucker - Primitive Radio Gods
11 - White, Discussion - Live
12 - The Ageing Young Rebel (Featuring Ken Nordine) - Dj Food
13 - The Game is Not Over - T. Raumschmier/ Miss Kittin

01 - My Favorite Game - The Cardigans

I don't know what you're looking for
you haven't found it baby, that's for sure
You rip me up and spread me all around
in the dust of the deed of time

And this is not a case of lust, you see
it's not a matter of you versus of me
It's fine the way you want me on your own
but in the end it's always me alone

And I'm losing my favourite game
you're losing your mind again
I'm losing my baby
losing my favourite game

I only know what I've been working for
another you so I could love you more
I really thought that I could take you there
but my experiment is not getting us anywhere

I had a vision I could turn you right
a stupid mission and a lethal fight
I should have seen it when my hope was new
my heart is black and my body is blue

And I'm losing my favourite game
you're losing your mind again
I'm losing my favourite game
I've tried but you're still the same
I'm losing my baby
you're losing a saviour and a saint

02 - Capricorn (A Brand New Name) - 30 Seconds to Mars

So I run, hide and tear myself up
Start again with a brand new name
And eyes that see into infinity

I will disappear
I told you once and I'll say it again
I want my message read clear
I'll show you the way, the way I'm going

So I run, and hide and tear myself up
Start again with a brand new name
And eyes that see into infinity
I was almost there
Just a moment away from becoming unclear
Ever get the feeling you're gone
I'll show you the way, the way I'm going
So I run, and hide and tear myself up
I'll start again with a brand new name
And eyes that see into infinity

So I run, start again
With a brand new name
With a brand new name

So I run and hide and tear myself up (so I run)
I'll start again with a brand new name (start again)
And eyes that see into infinity (with a brand new name)

03 - Hero - The Verve Pipe

I will disappear
i can't believe that it was good for anyone, to me worth the wait
i tried to send you with your money's worth
the attention sure felt great
with all eyes upon me, some filled with tears, most couldn't see

it burned like a cancer when the answer did occur to me
creep from the cradle, but a hero's what i wanna be
keep it moving people cause there's nothing more for you to see
i'm just a jerk, but a hero's what i wanna be yeah, oh yeah

love me, love me sweet cowardice
now that the thrill is mine for the moment
we really didn't need another suicide
or a song explaining why, why it's not dignified
but i can't seem to kiss it goodbye

it burned like a cancer...
When the answer did occur to me...
creep from the cradle
keep it moving people...
i'm just a jerk.....
it burned like a cancer...
creep from the cradle
keep it moving people...
i'm just a jerk.....

erase this disaster even faster than you came to see
a creep from the cradle and a hero driven wanna be
for your abuse, but not intended for internal use
i'm just a jerk , but a hero's what i wanna be
burned like a cancer...
creep from the cradle
yeah, oh yeah

04 - Splendid Isolation - Warren Zevon

I want to live alone in the desert
I want to be like Georgia O'Keefe
I want to live on the Upper East Side
And never go down in the street

Splendid Isolation
I don't need no one
Splendid Isolation

Michael Jackson in Disneyland
Don't have to share it with nobody else
Lock the gates, Goofy, take my hand
And lead me through the World of Self

Splendid Isolation
I don't need no one
Splendid Isolation

Don't want to wake up with no one beside me
Don't want to take up with nobody new
Don't want nobody coming by without calling first
Don't want nothing to do with you

I'm putting tinfoil up on the windows
Lying down in the dark to dream
I don't want to see their faces
I don't want to hear them scream

Splendid Isolation
I don't need no one
Splendid Isolation

Splendid Isolation
I don't need no one
Splendid Isolation

05 - Make Yourself - Incubus

If I hadn't made me, I would've been made somehow..
If I hadn't assembled myself, Id've fallen apart by now.
If I hadn't made me, I'd be more inclined to bow.
Powers that be, Would have swallowed me up
But that's more than I can allow.
But...

If you let them make you, they'll make you Paper-Mache
At a distance you're strong, until the wind comes
Then you'll crumble and blow away.
If you let him fuck you there will be no foreplay.
Rest assured, They'll screw you complete, Until your ass is blue and grey!

You should make amends with you,
If only for better health.
But if you really want to live,
Why not try, and Make yourself?
Make yourself (Make yourself)

If I hadn't made me, I'd have fallen apart by now.
I won't let them make me..It's more than I can allow.
So when I make me, I won't be paper-Mache..
And if I fuck me...I'll fuck me in my own way.
Fuck me in my own way
Fuck me in my own way
Fuck me in my own way
Fuck me in my own way...

You should make amends with you,
If only for better health (Better health)
But if you really want to live,
Why not try, and Make yourself?
Make yourself
Make yourself
Make yourself
Make yourself!

06 - Walking Contradiction - Green Day

Do as I say not as I do because
The shit's so deep you can't run away
I beg to differ on the contrary
I agree with every word that you say
Talk is cheap and lies are expensive
My wallet's fat and so is my head
Hit and run and then I'll hit you again
I'm a smart ass but I'm playing dumb

Standards set and broken all the time
Control the chaos behind a gun
Call it as I see it even if
I was born deaf, blind and dumb
Losers winning big on the lottery
Rehab rejects still sniffing glue
Constant refutation with myself
I'm a victim of a catch 22

I have no belief
But I believe
I'm a walking contradiction
And I ain't got no right

Do as I say not as I do because
The shit's so deep you can't run away
I beg to differ on the contrary
I agree with every word that you say
Talk is cheap and lies are expensive
My wallet's fat and so is my head
Hit and run and then I'll hit you again
I'm a smart ass but I'm playing dumb

I have no belief
But I believe
I'm a walking contradiction
And I ain't got no right

I have no belief
But I believe
I'm a walking contradiction
And I ain't got no right

07 - Unknown - Jazzy Drum and Bass

No Lyrics!

08 - Fiction (Dreams in Digital) - Orgy

she's lost in coma where it's beautiful
intoxicated from the deep sleep, deep sleep
do you wonder what it's like
living in a permanent imagination?
sleeping to escape reality, but you like it like that

[Chorus:]
guilty by design
she's nothing more then fiction.
she dreams in digital,
cause it's better then nothing.
now that control is gone,
it seems unreal,
she's dreaming in digital.
she dreams in digital.

and your pixel army can't save you now
my finger's on the kill switch
i remember i used to compose your dreams
control your dreams
and don't be afraid to expose yourself
before i shut you down
you made some changes since the virus caught you sleeping

09 - The Start of Something - Vox Trot

This time of night I could call you up
I'd get angry with athletic ease
Break common laws in two's and three's
If I die clutching your photograph don't call me boring it's just cause I like you.
Oh take me on back take me on back , take me back
To the place where I could feel your heart
Is this the end or just the start of something really really beautiful
Wrapped up and disguised as something really really ugly.

Won't you...

Come by and see my I'm a love letter away
I'd break your name before I'd say
"I really love you loved you"
Now I don't care if you saw
I watched every inch of film flash across your roman features
And I loved it, loved it.
No I don't care if...

You think I'm eager to shut your eyes
Well I'm sorry everybody knows you can't break me with your gutter prose
Would you believe it she sent me a letter
The ring it nearly weighs her down
she's got another boy, oh boy.

Steady your ears, steady your ears and read my lips
Poetry is not a luxury it's how I break this home
And when I'm really ill won't you cradle me?
Man is not a noble animal but maybe woman is
Remember

I heard you...

Inside your room you said " you never really live until your back's against the wall"
Oh did you really mean it?
No, I never break my gaze, if just to see the scar remain reflected in your eyes
I think it's time to go home

*Guitar solo*

Oh tell me your thoughts, tell me your thoughts on liberty
See there's a place where I sink to sleeping
She said
"Oh, my vote is as red as my blood"
Will you join me for another round?
I haven't had the chance to speak yet

God Speed...

I break the law once every week to feel your touch
What's a book to you in bed?
Do you feel better? Older?
This just makes me ill your name is dripping from my pen
Still, you're not around to curse
I'll drop the gun now
I'm still under you

Marianne, let the ghosts sleep tonight
Marianne, let the ghosts sleep, just shut your eyes burn the past (3x)

Marianne, let the ghosts sleep tonight
Marianne, let the ghosts sleep just shut your eyes and burn the past away.

10 - Mother Fucker - Primitive Radio Gods

When do I get paid for all the money you made
Selling souls on Capitol Hill
Another law's been passed designed to break your ass
And keep the middle class quiet and still
You talk a lot about justice and then go and bust us
Except for a chosen few
I've got a God-given right to smoke whatever I like
So tell me how it got given to you...Motherfuckers

The monkey looks back at his foot in the trap
And it's the boogie man coming for you
He sells you a spade to dig out your own grave
And you can cover yourself when you're through
I never just "say no" so take your slogans and go
I'm gonna spell it so there ain't no doubt
'Cause I'm the one with the other
I'm a bad motherfucker
And my bullet's gonna find you out

Four billion people all strung out of their minds
On power trips and slaving ships
Not seeing that they're blind
One day I'll be in front of you
One day I'll be in front of you

Put up your hands, give me all your money
Don't think, don't blink, 'cause I can't rely on you
I sold myself, and I'll sell you with me
Don't blink, don't think, that I can rely on you

Mothers and fathers, it's your sons and daughters
That they're selling to the prison cells
Why so afraid of the flesh you've made
And the lies that the preachers tell
Well I was born to run on the light of the sun
And the smell of the woman's wrist
I'm out of things to say, so here's a raw display
And the power of the silent truth

Four billion people all strung out of their minds
On power trips and slaving ships
Not seeing that they're blind
One day I'll be in front of you
One day I'll be in front of you

Put up your hands, give me all your money
Don't think, don't blink, 'cause I can't rely on you
I sold myself, and I'll sell you with me
Don't blink, don't think, that I can rely on you

Put up your hands, give me all your money
Don't think, don't blink, 'cause I can't rely on you
I sold myself, and I'll sell you with me
Don't blink, don't think, that I can rely on you

Put up your hands, give me all your money
Don't think, don't blink, 'cause I can't rely on you
I sold myself, and I'll sell you with me
Don't blink, don't think, that I can rely on you

Put up your hands...Put up your hands...Put up your hands...

11 - White, Discussion - Live

I talk of freedom
you talk of the flag
I talk of revolution
you'd much rather brag
and as the decibels of this disenchanting discourse
continue to dampen the day

the coin flips again and again, and again, and again
as our sanity walks away
all this discussion though politically correct
is dead beyond destruction
though it leaves me quite erect

and as the final sunset rolls behind the earth
and the clock is finally dead
I'll look at you, you'll look at me
and we'll cry a lot
but this will be what we said
this will be what we said

Look where all this talking got us, baby.

12 - The Ageing Young Rebel (Featuring Ken Nordine) - Dj Food

An Ageing Young Rebel
Called What's His Name
Wanted to be different
While he stayed the same
That he couldn't
He just couldn't
No matter what he would try
Told by his mother
An ageing old thing
You better go see Clever
You give Clever a ring
Which he did
Called him up
Just so Mommy wouldn't cry

Clever heard his story
About different and the same
You crazy
This some silly game
Oh no, no it ain't
Like Mommy said
You gotta straiten up my head
Clever is so clever
Is your cleverness enough
Can you help this ageing rebel
Do you really have the stuff
Bet you don't have
Bet the bread that you'll pass the buck instead

Clever sends our hero
To a funny darken room
Where a crowd of Cunning listens
Giggles in the gloom
That's your problem ageing rebel
Don't you really know the score
You crazy, you think you're gonna change this silly world
Better see yourself a shrink
Cunningly they argue about our boy
Who's breaking down the door

Now he's running down the dark
Diabolical awaits
Grabs him by the ankle
Ain't it just like fate
Diabolical laughs
In an alley full of suit
Forget the same
you'll be different now
Somewhat shorter on one side
Let go
Oh no
Would you diabolical inside
Panic in his brain pulls and gets away
Losses him a foot
It's a dark and evil day

See him running, limping blood
Something soft is just ahead
Something soft is Gentle
He's fallen at her side
She comforts him with kisses
He dreams of suicide, Gentle is so gentle
Grabs the trouble by its root
Bandages his stump
Cuts off his other foot

So you see, it seems to me, a gentle kind of cruelty
Ageing rebel's older, a little wiser maybe too
Gentleness has fixed him
Does he look like me and you
Footless and fancy free
Think how happy Mom will be
Footless and fancy free
Think how happy Mom will be

13 - The Game is Not Over - T. Raumschmier/ Miss Kittin

*Still searching for the lyrics*

What I have so far:

Highway rock and roll
Devil in a near future
Easy riders under pressure
Monster truck driver
Highway rock and roll disaster
Night goes on 24/7
The Game is Not Over

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 		T. Raumschmiere - The game is not over

Monster,
Monster,
Monster on my team of power
faster,faster,
monster on my team of power
highway rock and roll

terror in a near future
easy riders under pressure
faster monster truck driver
highway rock n roll disaster
highway rock n roll disaster
highway rock n roll disaster

monster,
faster,
faster,
monster,
faster,
monster,
faster,
rock and roll

terror in a near future
easy riders under pressure
faster monster truck driver
highway rock and roll disaster
highway rock and roll disaster
highway rock and roll disaster

life goes on 24/7
monster on my team of power
life goes on 24/7
speed up the game is not over
the game is not over
the game is not over
...
the game is not over

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 		Awesome! Thanks Snorkle256!

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 		grasping at straws with google?
google search for all the artist names
I did a Google search using all the artist names as search terms (http://www.google.ca/search?q=The+Cardigans+30+Seconds+to+Mars+The+Verve+Pipe+Warren+Zevon+Incubus+Green+Day+Orgy+Vox+Trot+Primitive+Radio+Gods+Live+Dj+Food+Miss+Kittin). The first link points back to this discussion. The second link points to "Operation Disc Drop" on the blog for CBC's The Hour with George Stroumboulopoulos.

None of the discs listed on the blog comments match what's on the rabbit hole disc. So, maybe this Google search result is just a coincidence. (Nevertheless, Operation Disc Drop is kind of interesting.)

Star: Maybe you should burn a copy of the disc and drop it somewhere. Or maybe you should watch that blog and try to pick up the next disc that gets dropped.

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