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Bartowski
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 		Re: Just a thought about the notebook tangle
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The famous Victorian-age mathematician, logician and author, Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (better known under the pseudonym, "Lewis Carroll") also expressed interest in debunking illogical circle-squaring theories. In one of his diary entries for 1855, Dodgson listed books he hoped to write including one called "Plain Facts for Circle-Squarers". In the introduction to "A New Theory of Parallels", Dodgson recounted an attempt to demonstrate logical errors to a couple of circle-squarers, stating[4]:

"The first of these two misguided visionaries filled me with a great ambition to do a feat I have never heard of as accomplished by man, namely to convince a circle squarer of his error! The value my friend selected for Pi was 3.2: the enormous error tempted me with the idea that it could be easily demonstrated to BE an error. More than a score of letters were interchanged before I became sadly convinced that I had no chance."


First, welcome to our Tea Party! Great find.....

On a bit of a tangent, someone at 2K must have written a grad thesis on Lewis Carroll... I mean some of these references are just damn spooky and creepy in how minute they are. Could be we're just digging a bit deeper and there are tons of coincidence, but somehow I doubt that......

Welcome back Robbie - keep those sinuses clean!

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 		Oh! You know what it is? We have to find the square inside the triangle using a not yet clear mathematical technique (tangents, pithagarus and whatnot) to find the square inside the triangle that spells out either the word we need for the 5x5 puzzle or it will give the size of the square that we have to highlight on the 5x5 puzzle, with each one square representing one centimetre or one yard or one whatever, and then we'll have the co-ordinates for Rapture!

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 		A few things I was considering (on the 5x5) after the most recent update.

In Mark's recount of his meeting with Quain, a couple of lines jumped out at me as being particularly interesting:

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"I am the seeker," I told him. "The one you've been waiting for."

And for one moment, his face relaxed. He looked almost human.

"Then take this," he intoned, in a creaking semblance of that rich voice I knew from the tapes he left behind. "Take thy Grail, oh Parsifal."

And he gave me the cylinder. A gift. And a warning.


Now, considering the "White Knight's question"...

In the Grail Quest Legend, Parsifal was tasked with not only finding the Grail, but asking a simple question, "Whom does the grail serve?" which he failed to do on three seperate occasions. Once he finally did ask the question, it was not answered, for in asking the question correctly was the answer revealed.

It turns out that the whole question was almost a koan of sorts. By meditating upon the question, Parsifal came to the conclusion that "The Grail serves The Grail King" which is actually inside of every man, his conscience (which rightly rules us all).

For more to chew on, check out the story of the Fisher King. That's the particular story that would appear to be relevant.

That or I'm really grasping at straws here.

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LrdGrifter wrote:

For more to chew on, check out the story of the Fisher King. That's the particular story that would appear to be relevant.

That or I'm really grasping at straws here.


No I actually believe you've stumbled onto something pretty important here. I feel like 2k is just leading us down all these paths, laughing, while the real door stays shut...

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 		Also, I just found a sheet of paper upon which i wrote down the coordinates of the frozen triangle before they disappeared. They are 67N34W, 57N35W, and 63N20W. The weird thing is, its kind of lopsided, which means any geometry work done on it is probably gonna be difficult.

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 		Not to sound self-important, but if it comes down to geometry problems, I aced geometry and trig.

I don't think it'll come to that, though. Lewis Carroll/Charles Dodgson was more of a logician, which is related to mathematics, but not quite the same thing. It was from his logic background that he decided to write the 'nonsense' Wonderland tales, and it seems to me that it's his literary life we're more focused on dealing with. Not that I'd put it past the PMs, though.

One thing I think we might want to pay attention to, is that Through the Looking Glass was written to follow the patterns of a chess match. In most paper copies of the book (or at least in my Annotated and normal versions) one of the front pages gives a list of the moves. I'm not too familiar with chess, but if any of these moves have names...that might help clue us in (together with the Parsifal reference) to what the answer for the 5x5 grid is.

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 		site updated
a new message from the doctort at Tollevue.
and a document of Mark's stay and his adventure with the rubix tube

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 		Hi guys i'm on to a similar note about the White Knight and chess board pieces and 5x5 grid puzzle.

Please see my discussion thread at the 2K forums!

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=518173

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LrdGrifter wrote:
A few things I was considering (on the 5x5) after the most recent update.

In Mark's recount of his meeting with Quain, a couple of lines jumped out at me as being particularly interesting:

Quote:
"I am the seeker," I told him. "The one you've been waiting for."

And for one moment, his face relaxed. He looked almost human.

"Then take this," he intoned, in a creaking semblance of that rich voice I knew from the tapes he left behind. "Take thy Grail, oh Parsifal."

And he gave me the cylinder. A gift. And a warning.


Now, considering the "White Knight's question"...

In the Grail Quest Legend, Parsifal was tasked with not only finding the Grail, but asking a simple question, "Whom does the grail serve?" which he failed to do on three seperate occasions. Once he finally did ask the question, it was not answered, for in asking the question correctly was the answer revealed.

It turns out that the whole question was almost a koan of sorts. By meditating upon the question, Parsifal came to the conclusion that "The Grail serves The Grail King" which is actually inside of every man, his conscience (which rightly rules us all).

For more to chew on, check out the story of the Fisher King. That's the particular story that would appear to be relevant.

That or I'm really grasping at straws here.

I think the straws you're grasping at are as close to the bale of hay as anyone's. Very Happy This could definitely be relevant.

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perroned wrote:
site updated
a new message from the doctort at Tollevue.
and a document of Mark's stay and his adventure with the rubix tube

Interesting... Dr. Lyman says that documents and tape reels vanished from his office, but Mark's notes have yet to mention anything about that... Neutral

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Sylocat wrote:
perroned wrote:
site updated
a new message from the doctort at Tollevue.
and a document of Mark's stay and his adventure with the rubix tube

Interesting... Dr. Lyman says that documents and tape reels vanished from his office, but Mark's notes have yet to mention anything about that... Neutral



That may explain what the tape machine is for, after all this time.

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 		update Mark has Qauin's file from Tollevue hospital. it is beside the desk (to the right). we are unable to view whats inside though:(

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 		The file for Quain is now on Marks desk to the right of the typewriter.

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 		New message from Lynch and a file by the Quain folder.

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mmm wrote:
New message from Lynch and a file by the Quain folder.


Who's Lynch, again? He talks about the quest to rapture being in very 'deep straights' and that some have 'snapped under the pressure'.
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