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[bonehead47]

Pawn

[Everfalling]

I don't think the NM in INMAN could fit in that circular blot in I()AN. also there are two blotted out phrases above and below it. i wonder what those are?

[Hermes]

Hi all, hope your all well.

I'm new here (not that anyone can tell ). Anyway, my friend put me onto the Something in the Sea site a few days back.

Has anyone one picked upon any threads connecting Lutwidge and Tennebaum? I just remember seeing the word whore in her apartment in the first game. I mean, is it possible that Tennebaum had a daughter? That would make sense for a little sister returning to Rapture (not that Lutwidge has to be the father). I just can't help but think that Tennebaum has more involvement in this and you see her on the radio during the Bio 2 trailers. Tennebaum also refers to locks and keys when she's referring to Jacks mind so was a Little Sister created in the same fashion so to speak.

The other thing that has my head in a bit of a spin. Is this whole first Big Daddy thing. I mean, the first Big Daddy would had to have been created prior to Bioshock otherwise they wouldn't be in the first game. And I've read it shows how the Big Daddies came to be, and it shows Tennebaum talking to him on the radio.

Also, the letter on the floor by the filing cabinet "As I descended etc, kind of implies Lutwige had been down just prior to Jacks arrival or after. Unless he is referring to Tennebaum as the pawn (when Fontaine speaks of what she'd survived without someone watching her back), or maybe she's the broken hearted prophet. The other question is why would she stay.

I also think there's some deeper connection with Meltzer going on other than just his daughter. Unless he's the pawn and someone's using him. I mean standard Military/Intelligence Agency ethos is to put people off or demoralise them so they will try harder. One other thing if Mark finds the way to Rapture, he could be easily discredited due to his medication and time at the asylum.

I haven't played Bioshock for ages, but didn't one of the girls offer the key to Rapture to Jack at the end?

Sorry if these have already been covered but unfortunately I don't have the time to go back trawling through all the posts.


Edit I don't know if anyone has done the 5 by 5 grid, but I just googled Broken Hearted prophet on the off chance and came up with Jeremiah...

Jeremiah Lynch's pawns?

The White knight in through the looking Glass rescue's Alice from the Redknight, upon being rescued Alice becomes a queen (chess) ascention?
Anyway in the white knights song to Alice, The Knight asks a question of the old man sitting on the gate how does he live?

Unless its referring to Knights as in Holy Grail?

[Suihanki]

Been a while since I posted here, but I think that the last poster is definitely on to something here, there are a lot of clues that seem to point to Jeremiah Lynch being the "Red Pawn." Jeremiah Lynch has been instrumental in aiding Mark in his quest to find his daughter, and all in a very subtle way. From analyzing Lynch's character we know:

1. Lynch is an enthusiast in finding the lost city of "Atlantis" (Possibly a cover for finding Rapture himself if he wanted to mask his activities)

2. If you go back, and I mean WAY back into the catalog of information you discover that it's originally Lynch who get Mark set on the quest of finding out about the Big Sister. He is the one that finds the fetish of her on the beach, and he is the one that is around when the first abduction by her back in Feb. of 1967 occurs. (He's also Marks first formal contact we see.)

3. Lynch knew Lutwidge personally, and the two seemed to share quite the friendship. Lutwidge sent him forgeries of Atlantis artifacts in a attempt to try and stump him, (this could also play into the fact that the Red Pawn is a forger himself.) Additionally Lynch appears to have seen Lutwidge's types of puzzles before, stating so in the "Drunken Sailor" message. Finally Lynch seems to revere Lutwidge slightly as well, calling him a "Mathematical Genius" in another message.

4. Lynch always seems to provide the necessary clues when Mark is stumped. One, that Lynch knew the exact tune necessary to unlock the 2nd level of the Jewel box, again "Drunken Sailor" song. Another is that Lynch is the one who sends him the book on the "Frozen Triangle" which brings up the general location of "Rapture" for the first time. And, finally, in another voice mail message Lynch points out the connection between Lutwidge and "Thorough the Looking Glass," which is something that Mark seemed to have been missing when reading Lutwidge's works.

5. Lynch seems more keen on keeping in continual contact with Mark than Mark seems on keeping in contact with him. Another voicemail message has Lynch calling Mark in a rather annoyed manner and asking him why he is being left out of the "loop" as it were.

[mmm]

[FSURobbie]

[Hermes]

[mmm]

It's strange, according to Lutwidge's Utropolis pages, he didn't arrive until after the attack during the 1959 New Year's party, as he talks about the isolation and the wreckage everywhere, making the year 1960 when he arrives, which is the same year that he leaves according to his other writing, and the same year Jack arrives. However, the fact that he mentions fighting "the war to decide the fate of Rapture" (presumably Atlas's civil war) and that he was able to make friends and enemies leads me to believe that he arrived before Jack, as by that time only a few people capable of understanding friendship still remained (Fontaine, Ryan, Langford, etc.). That's all well and good, but looking back in the older file folders, I found that Lutwidge disappeared in September 1958, leaving a period of over a year where he is unaccounted for. I don't really know if this can help us solve the puzzle in any way, but it seems at least important to note.

[Suihanki]

Another avenue of focus for new clues should be the book "April March" by Herbert Quain, which is listed as the source of Lutwidge's false surname. It's an actual book and the author is the same, so is the publishing year of 1936. It would probably yield valuable information.

[Hermes]

Some good points there MMMM. As I said I haven't been over all the stuff properly so I was just brainstorming and one thing just logically linked to another.

Looking at the time line I think its a safe assumption that Lutwidge's time in Rapture and Jack's time in Rapture are reasonably close together. The only other thing I can think off, is the experience of other people's memories via the plasmids, i.e people seeing ghosts. So, maybe Lutwidge has been experiencing some of this whilst he was doing his notes or during his time at Touvelle. What gives me this impression.. is the Scarlet Sovereign Document by the box on the floor infront of the filing cabinet. "Had some grand celebration (New years eve party) been interrupted in its midst? " surely if he had been directly involved in the raid on the New Years party he would know and wouldn't be questioning ("I mused") what had happened. And there's a difference in the writing... scribbled eratic notes and well formed paragraphs.. like two different people writing if you get what I mean.

Another point is "Late for the party, said I, reflecting on the irony" Ironic, that his theories helped build Rapture and he missed the party, or the raid was his plan and he missed it?


Either way Lutwidge knows about Jacks... escaping with the Sisters, hence the comment on the loner breaking the surface.

As far as Lutwidge's motive's go's. My impression is he just after what is rightfully his. I mean "is a man not entitled from the sweat off his brow" I.e with Ryan using Lutwidge's ideas or theories to create Rapture, thus robbing Lutwidge of the fruits of his own labour.

If you put that into the April/March novel (Herbet Quain) context. Lutwidge is effectively piecing it together working from the end result backwards, same as the novel starts at the end and works backward towards the begining. Also if we put into the Secret Mirror context "A person in the second act is responsible for the first act" we don't see or hear of Lutwidge in Bioshock. But, his ideas and theories are effectively what helped to create Rapture. You know how Einstein wrote a letter to Roosevelt claiming responsibility for the A.Bomb, although he didn't build it.

I think, with Lutwidge getting on, its obvious to him that someone will find out sooner or later, so he's leaving a trail of clue's, to hopefully pass on his knowledge on or wants it destroyed.

One thing thats bugging me is I can't help but shake the feeling that Mark M is Jack. I mean, Jack didn't know the route to Rapture etc. So Lynch is nudging Marks memory along, who better to manipulte than someone who has actually been into Rapture. Why was Mark in Touvelle?

I'll have a look at that missing time period, thats an interesting point. Additionally how about when Lutwidge was seen in his lab with the girls needles, thats post him being into Rapture? Another thought did Fontaine remain in Rapture all the time just using different alias's. "I once pretended to be a China man for 6 months"

Suihanki, sorry I must've been typing my post as you posted yours.

[Suihanki]

[mmm]

[Hermes]

I've just had a nosey at that as well.....

Looking at Quain... Secret Mirror etc and Sebastian Knight...and the themes.

I find myself wondering if Lutwidge is both Fontaine and Ryan, i.e Lutwidge has a split personality. Rapture being the imaginary city, i.e a city that can only exist within the realms of fiction/video game and not in reality.

I mean, in The Secret Mirror it states that the first part is the fiction created by the writer of the second half.

"Greeted by the sharpened lance's of the Red Queens knavish army". That to me implies Splicers, which in-turn implies Fontaine is the Red Queen or something along those lines.

In Diane Mclintocks tape the very first one you pick up in the game. Andrew Ryan was working late and couldn't attend the New Years Party. Irony..maybe

I also noticed looking over the Quain stuff.... the word Symmetry... which to me screams out Steinman.... This maybe nothing Ste------- Inman


Hang on a second.... Lutwidge becomes Quain... The secret mirror, the first act is the fiction of the writer of the second....... hmmm

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