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[Viral] "There's Something In The Sea" - Bioshock 2?
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MickeyG42
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 		Re: Pawn
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Here's a thought and it is just a thought. If everything is working in reverse as in we are starting from the end working backwards, wonder if Meltzer is actually the first Big Daddy. I mean, if Bioshock 2 is split in to, two acts.


Now there is a thought. Is it possible he could be? I dont know if the time would sync up but damn wouldnt that be a twist. Maybe Mark has forgotten things, maybe had his memory wiped or something, and he is elading himself down there. Could he be OOL's pawn and not know it? or am I thinking too much like "fight club"?

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 		Re: Pawn
MickeyG42 wrote:
Hermes wrote:


Here's a thought and it is just a thought. If everything is working in reverse as in we are starting from the end working backwards, wonder if Meltzer is actually the first Big Daddy. I mean, if Bioshock 2 is split in to, two acts.


Now there is a thought. Is it possible he could be? I dont know if the time would sync up but damn wouldnt that be a twist. Maybe Mark has forgotten things, maybe had his memory wiped or something, and he is elading himself down there. Could he be OOL's pawn and not know it? or am I thinking too much like "fight club"?


Or Perhaps, like April March, SitS is the end to the nine different beginnings. Jack from Bioshock becomes Meltzer, the first Big Daddy from Bioshock 2 will then escape and become him, and so on. I know they are planning to turn Bioshock into a franchise, but if there were to be nine games, I feel that would ruin the bioshock series. I already kind of feel like calling blasphemy on Bioshock 2, as the original is probably one of my top three favorite games of all time. However, I still want more. I really hope they don't screw this game up...

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 		More pages from Lutwidge's manuscript. I had seen the letter posted on the wall signed from Catherine, but I wasn't sure if it was someone writing to Mark or not. Turns out she is a resident of Rapture, one of the first Lutwidge met.

Could she be the Red Pawn?

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Hermes
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 		Re: Pawn
MickeyG42 wrote:
Now there is a thought. Is it possible he could be? I dont know if the time would sync up but damn wouldnt that be a twist. Maybe Mark has forgotten things, maybe had his memory wiped or something, and he is elading himself down there. Could he be OOL's pawn and not know it? or am I thinking too much like "fight club"?



Tbh, I'm not sure, it was just a thought. What happened to Jack after 1, I mean, we see him minus his Big Daddy Suit in the cut-scenes at the end of one.

The other point is why didn't the Big Sister attack Meltzer.

Is the key to Rapture contained within the first Big Daddy...


Hang on... working backwards.... if Meltzer is the pawn (Big Daddy) "he played the game and crossed the board but never dividend the secret..." as in Meltzer never told Lynch the secret. Just Brain storming....

The other thing is what Ryan says..in one "who sent you, the Cia Wolf or the Kgb Jackal"...

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 		Long Letter...
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Hey all, I am a first time poster, but I have been following this for a long time now and have read every page you all have posted. I noticed something in the long letter above the filing cabinet that I thought I should point out.

I am not sure if it is for gags, or if it is the author of the letter trying to tell Mark something, but if you read the letter, four words are capitalized. If you put those words together, it says "SOMETHING IN THE SEA"

Like I said, I am not sure if it is just the authors of the site trying to be cute, or if it is the guy sending Mark the letter trying to hide a message from anyone who might be intercepting his mail and reading it, but I thought I would mention it. You are all brilliant and I love following this thread. Keep up the good work!

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 		So, at first I thought JS was just a fan who put a little extra effort into his letter, but I guess he's actually a part of the story. The only JS I know from Bioshock is JS Steinman, but we're sure he's dead right? I remember unloading my machine gun into him, he looked pretty dead... Or perhaps this is Lutwidge trying to mess with Mark, knowing that he mentioned Catherine in the manuscript that he knew Mark would find.

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 		Bioshock 2 takes place after 1 but has prequel elements in it because the Big Daddy you play is the ORIGINAL who is woken up because something came back to Rapture to stir shit up again. Namely the Big Sister. Mark couldn't be the Big Daddy because he would have had to been in rapture in its hayday when the little sisters were being developed and needed a Big Daddy. not sure why people are thinking we're working backward with this.
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 		It's a fan letter. The first letter of every paragraph spells out "ANDREW RYAN"
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 		hmm
which catherine was down in rapture during the first bioshock?
How did Andrew Ryan learn about the "would you kindly phrase" and everything else. been a while since i played the original but did he even know jack was his real son?
How come tennenbaum doesnt know who you are really? shes the one who purchased you from ryans little girlfriend and helped suchong genetically alter you before you get sent back up to the surface, yet when you first appear she doesnt know you or even mention any of it until way later in the game until after fontaine tells you he has control over you along with ryan stating it... i dont know maybe im dumb

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 		Re: hmm
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How did Andrew Ryan learn about the "would you kindly phrase" and everything else. been a while since i played the original but did he even know jack was his real son?


He did, as in a tape found in fort frolic he is heard murdering jack's mother for giving fontaine the baby, and when jack approaches his office he says, "Know that you are my greatest disappointment."

@ Everfalling
People are talking about working backwards because of the references to herbert quain's plays, which are presented in in a similar manner. I'll admit though that maybe the brainstorming got a little out of hand Smile

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Everfalling wrote:
Bioshock 2 takes place after 1 but has prequel elements in it because the Big Daddy you play is the ORIGINAL who is woken

Mark couldn't be the Big Daddy because he would have had to been in rapture in its hayday when the little sisters were being developed and needed a Big Daddy. not sure why people are thinking we're working backward with this.


He was put into hibernation due to development costs. Apart from that why did Tenenbaum stay in Rapture, unless she knew something else wa coming.

The thinking is in relation to the Herbet Quain April-March where it start at the end and works backwards. Also if you think of how a Sco (Scene of Crime Officer) works, they piece all the bits of forensic evidence together to prove how the event took place. So they are effectively working backwards, i.e they come in post event and then have work out what happened pre event leading up to it and what happened.

Additionally if Mark was in Rapture but can't remeber it, he would be the best person to manipulate, as clues would slowly but surely jog his memory.


Anyway, look at the new letter 'Catherine, Eve' and the White Knight (pressumably Oakes). Going off The Looking Glass logic, Alice meets the White Knight in Wonderland where he rescue's her. After that Alice having crossed the board as pawn can now change into a queen.

This also rings pretty true here. Lutwidge meets The White Knight in Rapture (Wonderland), whilst the White Knigt doesn't necessarily rescue Lutwidge, he does stick Lutwidge with Adam. Adam changes the body.

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 		The first big daddy
Was he put into hibernation due to cost, or because he was the prototype?
Tenenbaum has a conversation with him, not just barking orders at him. He has the ability to reason, instead of just following pre-programed instructions. Maybe hibernation to protect the original, in case many more need to be made in a hurry. Maybe he is the doctor who came up the Big Daddification procedure and tried it on himself, as someone earlier in the thread said. Or maybe hibernation as a means of controlling the errant prototype. Too valuable to destroy, but too unpredictable to send into the field.
Any thoughts?

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 		new update
and photo id of James Millard Oakes and an audio diary
at the end he says they gave Lutwidge some sinclaire sauce, does any one think that means adam/plasmid? becuase once he takes that he DOES become one of them as mentioned

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 		Re: hmm
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@ Everfalling
People are talking about working backwards because of the references to herbert quain's plays, which are presented in in a similar manner.


i wonder if that might have anything to do with the main single player game being 10 years after the first game, yet the MULTIplayer game will be set within the civil war one year before the first game. maybe that's what they mean by multiple beginnings? just a stab in the dark. i really don't think Mark could be the first big daddy. the time line wouldn't allow it.
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 		Re: The first big daddy
ShadyLurker wrote:
Was he put into hibernation due to cost, or because he was the prototype?
Tenenbaum has a conversation with him, not just barking orders at him. He has the ability to reason, instead of just following pre-programed instructions. Maybe hibernation to protect the original, in case many more need to be made in a hurry. Maybe he is the doctor who came up the Big Daddification procedure and tried it on himself, as someone earlier in the thread said. Or maybe hibernation as a means of controlling the errant prototype. Too valuable to destroy, but too unpredictable to send into the field.
Any thoughts?


I pressume it has got to be one of those reason. I think that the key to it will arise when we learn the Original Big Daddies identity. I agree with Everfall over the time line, but I can't shake the feeling that there is some connection between Mark and the First Big Daddy.


Re: Sinclair Solutions did make Plasmids.

Anyway, I've been looking over the archive file containing Lutwidge's Blue Book. A few things in Carmady's report strike me. The comments about Lutwidge mixing several containers together and working on them as if he's either trying to create or searching for an answer.

Going off the above: Seven fold the lock.. as in the secret is in within the Adam, or combining 7 different types of plasmids gives you. I can't remember if Ryans Key to Rapture (the bit in the first one in his office where you sling the key in the machine after killing Ryan) was genetic encoded or not. But, the machine does look like it fills up with Adam.

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