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Sylocat
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Okay, I've gone over the info, and here's a few things I am certain of:

1. The tapes Mark stole from Tollevue contain Lutwidge's voice, so we know it's really his voice in the puzzle boxes, and on the tapes.
2. We know the diary is Lutwidge's own writing, because it was in the Rubix Tube, which Mark got from none other than Lutwidge himself.
3. We know that Lutwidge wasn't making up the trip to Rapture or deluding himself, because too many of the names and dates in his "Utropolis" stories match, plus the scars are consistent with (relatively mild) ADAM addiction.

So, the basic timeline of Lutwidge's journey seems accurate.

So, now I want to find out where Mark found each of the puzzle boxes. I know he found the jewelry box at one of the warehouses, and the Rubix Tube at Tollevue, but where did he get the lunchbox and the... whatever the metal cube is called. Cataclysmic, you with me? Very Happy

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Absolutely. Also, Lutwidge's trip to Rapture is referenced by the Audio Log on Mark's desk. Email me an IM address so we can figure stuff out in real time.

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I would love to help but I haven't been following this from the beginning so I wouldn't want to give mixed information. What I'm pretty sure of is that the box showed up when his apartment got broken into, right? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

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A new phone message from Stango... looks like he believes Mark now...

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The Big Sister drops the lunchbox off, or so Mark assumes. It may very well be Lynch, because Mark found it after returning from trying to photo the Big Sister. It's the first puzzle to arrive, I believe.

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wow this is still going on

Good , even though i missed some stuff tell me whats the latelst puzzle , honstly at this point i just want to know how this story ends so i cant stop following it XD

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more of my "trying to find the twist" mind kicking in...how old is Amanda? Any chance she could be Big Sister? Screwing with mark, wanting to get her own daughter back as a new little sister? Yet feeling bad for mark losing her so trying to help him join her in rapture? I kn ow tis prolly not even close to possible...still...the thought crossed my mind.

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That's the thing I don't understand about the Big Sister being a little sister rescued by Jack: if Jack rescues the little sisters in 1960 and they're all 7-8 years old, in 1968 the Big Sister is no more than 16. So Mark got his ass handed to him by a 16 year old girl. Granted she probably had a bunch of adam and was wearing her suit, but still, it's a little odd, you'd think she'd be older.

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mmm wrote:
That's the thing I don't understand about the Big Sister being a little sister rescued by Jack: if Jack rescues the little sisters in 1960 and they're all 7-8 years old, in 1968 the Big Sister is no more than 16. So Mark got his ass handed to him by a 16 year old girl. Granted she probably had a bunch of adam and was wearing her suit, but still, it's a little odd, you'd think she'd be older.


Same anon here from a couple pages back, still no sign of confirmation e-mail.

Anyway, I always sort of assumed the Big Sister to be around 16 or 17, although I'm really not sure where I got the idea. It doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

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That's the thing I don't understand about the Big Sister being a little sister rescued by Jack: if Jack rescues the little sisters in 1960 and they're all 7-8 years old, in 1968 the Big Sister is no more than 16. So Mark got his ass handed to him by a 16 year old girl. Granted she probably had a bunch of adam and was wearing her suit, but still, it's a little odd, you'd think she'd be older.

Well, in the first BioShock game, Jack was really only two years old, remember? Very Happy

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All right, Cataclysmic V and I spent a couple hours digging through the archives and swapping theories via IM, and we think we've figured out what Lynch's goal is.

Let's start at the beginning:

We worked backwards from the puzzle boxes. Mark found the metal box by following clues on a tape he found in Lutwidge's office... which he found because he looked at a newspaper clipping regarding Lutwidge, because he was looking for people connected to the Vanishing (starting May 29-June 12th in the archives), and found Lutwidge amongst the names mentioned. So far no input from Lynch...

But why did Mark first start researching the vanishing? A suspiciously "offhand" remark in one of Lynch's letters, and from the first Utropolis short story that Lynch also sent him.

So yes, Lynch is at the root of Mark's hunt for Lutwidge.

As near as we can tell, Lynch hasn't actually faked any of the puzzle boxes. He's merely been dropping major clues into our lap as to how to open them. He's the one who first brought up the Alice in Wonderland connection, too.

So, here's our theory: Lutwidge really did leave this trail for someone else to follow, but Lynch is the one who nudged Mark onto it.

Now, as for why Lynch would do that? Well, take a look at the twenty-first therapy session for "Quain" at Tollevue:

Tollevue Hospital: 'Twenty-first Session' of RØd Killian Quain wrote:
"Listen- listen to me: The pawn was crafty. He knew his craft and more- always more than he let on, do you see? The prophet IS the pawn! He does not deserve the answers! He mastered the game, he crossed the board, but he never divined the secret! There are sixty four steps in the journey's next leg, eight by eight the key, seven fold the lock- someday, the seeker will come aboard. The secret will unfold before him, but he must beware the pawn! The pawn desires nothing more than... to derail...the Knightly tour. Doctor... I am... I'm sorry... I can't go on today."

The pawn "never devised the secret." Lynch never solved the last few puzzles. So he's been leading Mark on in hopes that Mark will do it, and share his findings with Lynch, who has been such a big help to him this whole time.

Of course, Lynch doesn't know yet that Mark is onto him now, which could come in handy.

So, now we know why Lynch has been doing all this. Now, here's a little bonus idea we were tossing around:
We learned in BioShock that before the civil war in Rapture, one of Fontaine's rackets was smuggling things into Rapture from the surface. He had to have had some contacts on the surface, some suppliers. Lynch is an experienced con man, forger, and his arrest record shows at least one instance of Grand Larceny. This might also explain why Fontaine began faking an Irish accent when he assumed the role of "Atlas," as sort of a tribute to one of his contacts.
But that's just guessing.

Now, that just leaves the White Knight's question to answer, and the question of why the Big Sister is still hanging around Mark.

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Lutwidge goes to Rapture, meets Fontaine, and tells him about Lynch, a con man who could help his business. Fontaine, on one of his smuggling runs, meets Lynch, and they talk about Rapture, Lutwidge, etc... Later, on a different run, Fontaine brings back Lutwidge all doped up on Adam. Lynch finds out Lutwidge is back, and tries to find out how to get to Rapture. But Lutwidge, a scholar on Carroll, starts speaking in riddles about Rapture, it's secrets, and location. Lynch goes as far as he can based on the knowledge he has from Fontaine and Lutwidge, but can't solve all the puzzles.

That's where Mr. Mark Meltzer comes in. Mark starts looking into these mysterious vanishings in fear for his own daughter. His daughter ends up getting taken. Because of his daughter, Lynch prods Mark on to Lutwidge. Lynch is now just waiting for Mark to solve the 5x5 puzzle. The last part of the sevenfold lock...

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mmm wrote:
That's the thing I don't understand about the Big Sister being a little sister rescued by Jack: if Jack rescues the little sisters in 1960 and they're all 7-8 years old, in 1968 the Big Sister is no more than 16. So Mark got his ass handed to him by a 16 year old girl. Granted she probably had a bunch of adam and was wearing her suit, but still, it's a little odd, you'd think she'd be older.


Well, you remember the big daddy making place in bioshock 1? They took people, grafted their skin and organs into armoured suits, cut out their voice boxes and replaced them with ones that make farting noises and must of implemented some kind of gland that released a little sister attracting pheremone, presumably making the big daddies sort of brainwashed and hollow remnants of the men they once where, but ultimately harder to kill and much more formidable opponents in a fight (as we all know from playing the first game) well what I think is that that is basically what the little sister that Jack saved did to herself when she returned to Rapture, BUT rather removing the free thinking aspect of things, she left her personality and humanised parts of the brain intact and left herself the ability to use ADAM, like the prototype big daddy that you play as in the second game, rather than just putting on a suit like Jack did in Bioshock 1.

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So let me just get this story straight. Lutwidge has been to rapture and is leaving clues so that someone else can get there? These two people happen to be Lynch and Mark, Lynch can't figure them out so he's nudging Mark to figure them out so he can find his daughter? correct?

btw, great work guys. I wish I coulda helped.

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gb14 wrote:
So let me just get this story straight. Lutwidge has been to rapture and is leaving clues so that someone else can get there? These two people happen to be Lynch and Mark, Lynch can't figure them out so he's nudging Mark to figure them out so he can find his daughter? correct?

btw, great work guys. I wish I coulda helped.

Almost. Lynch wants to go to Rapture himself. He's a con-man, has probably been told about Adam, and wants the power. He's nudging Mark because he was unable to get at/figure out the rest of the puzzles. Once Mark figures them all out, Lynch is hoping to swoop in and get his answer, so to speak.

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