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[AnthraX101]

That would not be a proper opening move, as you have not yet moved the bishop to allow a castle. Perhaps it is partway through a game, however...

AnthraX101

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Being new to all this i don't know if what I'm saying is something really obvious and shouldn't even need to be said or whatever, but I'll say it anyway.
I also don't know if you're meant to tackle puzzles from this point of view, but what the hey.

A long while back in the post it was established that these were taken from an actual crossword in an actual newspaper.
Now, if you ask me, the PM's probably could have just made up a phony crossword from a phony newspaper. Instead they used an actual one. This (as i've seen basically everyone say before me) indicates that the words in the clues most likely aren't important.

So then would it just be the numbers? Or would the Newspaper it was taken out of have some significance?

I don't know...maybe I'm missing something here, reply and tell me if I am. Or just ignore me completely. But, if you are going to reply, then can someone also answer me how the 8141 thing got shoved in with this puzzle? I seem to be missing a few links around the place (then again, i'm trying to catch up on about a years worth of game, and this is only my second day).
Anyhoo, thats all from me for now.

[MageSteff]

8141

[ThomasRStevenson]

I'm very new to this, so please be kind.... I have two questions:

Preface to question 1:

There is two ways to think about this puzzle:

A) From the point of view of a virtual world controlled by the PMs.
In this view point the PMs can find any crossword puzzle they want,
pick out clues they want from it, and set ID(s)/Password(s) to match
those clues. They can keep checking real crossword puzzles day after
day until they find something they can work with. There is no time
limit they have to hit, and they can make the puzzle as hard as they
want.

or

B) From the point of view of a real world were Reggie is trying to
give us clues to determine the ID(s)/Password(s). In this view point
the ID(s)/Password(s) are already set (unless Reggie has some way of
setting them himself???), and he must find a crossword puzzle that has
enough information in it so he can use it to give us clues for fixed
ID(s)/Password(s) strings. Because he has no control over what the
ID(s)/Password(s) are, or what the crossword puzzle looks like he has
to take the first one he can use. If he lets it go by, a better might
not come along. This may limit him as to how complex the puzzle can
be.

If the PMs used A) above, it gives them far more control over how
complicated the puzzle can be, but also makes it far less realistic.

If they used B) above, it gives them far less control over how
complicated the puzzle can be, but also makes it far more realistic.


Question 1:

Being new to this, I have no idea which one, A) or B) is the most
likely. Is this anything we need to think about, or do we just assume
B) and run with it?


Preface to question 2:

In both cases A) and B) above, the PMs can't control what the
crossword puzzle looks like (they control which one they use, but that
isn't the same). Because there is limited time between when the
crossword puzzle was printed and when the clues were given out, there
was also a limited amount of time in coming up with an algorithm to
use to create the clues. I would think the PMs had to have something
generic in mind before they ever saw any crossword puzzle when
creating this algorithm. By using a real crossword puzzle, the PMs
were using a random set of information to create clues with. This
seems to make their work far harder then what seems necessary, so
they must have had some reason for doing it this way.

Given a random set of information to work with, and a limited amount
of time to work with, I would think the PMs must have had a good idea
of what their algorithm for creating the clues was going to look like
before they ever picked out the crossword puzzle to use.


Question 2:

Given the limitations the PMs put on themselves by using a real
crossword puzzle in a small amount of time, is it possible we are over
analyzing this?

[MageSteff]

[ThomasRStevenson]

So as not to waste bandwidth in this group, I did a search both with
this forum and google before on posting, but I couldn't find anyone
that talked about this before. If this has already been talked about,
my sorry.


Has anyone looked at the web page
"http://www.cfrg.us/mirror/parascope/articles/0697/bibcode.htm"?
It is about a book called "The Bible code". Elijah Snow first talked
about this book in
http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=24121&highlight=bible+code#24121

It talks about using a crossword-style encryption to parse the Bible.

"equidistant letter sequence (ELS). This involved removing all the
spaces between the words in the original Hebrew text of the Torah, and
checking the resulting strand of 304,805 characters for words that
might appear if letters were read only at a given interval; for
example, every 12th letter or every 50th letter. Imagine the letters
being laid out in columns of equal length, then searching for words
formed in the rows across, like in a crossword puzzle."

Unless this has been looked into already, maybe this is will help.

[ThomasRStevenson]

I hope I'm not wasting peoples time, but in additional to
"http://www.cfrg.us/mirror/parascope/articles/0697/bibcode.htm",
there are two other web pages with links to the above:

http://www.cfrg.us/mirror/parascope/en/articles/talkingToHeaven.htm

and

http://www.cfrg.us/mirror/parascope/en/enigma04.htm

[addlepated]

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ThomasRStevenson wrote:

[rose]

A new idea

[MageSteff]

Re: A new idea

[edge3343]

I didn't see it in this thread, but has any one tried anything with the intersecting letters? The following are letters shared by more than one word:
R S T Y B R A

Going down the list of clues given by Caretaker:
For instance LAURA URL: Laura shares "R" and URL shares "R"
LAURA URL = R - R
TENAM FDR = A - R
STAYUP YEH = S T Y - Y
TEASER BROADSIDE = T - BRA
TENAM WHOOP = A - _ (whoop shares no letters)
GBS SHEENA = B - S

So now we have two sets of letters: R A S T Y T A B - R R Y B R A _ S
(the undersore is for "whoop" which shares nothing)

This is probably n00bish rambling, but I was just playing around with the puzzle trying to see something somebody missed.

w3rd
Ashley

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