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Ryutso
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As far as the manuscript, I no longer have it. Which is why I had to ask Bricker to remind me where it left off. Sorry Crying or Very sad


Darn. That manuscript coulda helped me understand a bit more of this.

And at least something else good came out of this: Schwinn gets to keep his swag Very Happy

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 		Umm, I think I still have the full manuscript from when I made my copy of the book... lesse...

Yep! Here. The format's been edited slightly for my printing and the pieces that we recieved have been rearranged into what I thought made the most sense, but it's otherwise intact.

Anyhoo, what I'm concerned about is that Bricker's really losing focus here, and if we don't find a solution, he may not be of any use to us once August 31st rolls around. Someone's tampered with his family's memories, it appears, much in the same way that Port had his memories of Jenny removed. And perhaps have moved onto him now...

Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional. Which, okay, if you really want to point fingers, he's just as fictional as them to us--but they're supposed to be existing in the same reality. Why would he call them fictional? Jesus, if Randall's actually apart of what's left of the Watchers as I suspect he is, Rage only KILLED ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES, fyi. Or even if Randall's outsider "hired help" as per his comment about being paid, it was by the Watchers... who are, y'know, just as fictional.
Am I just reading it wrong? Or did someone else get confused by that as much as I did? It's been really bugging me.
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classical wrote:
Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional.


I was wondering about this myself. Here is the conclusion that I came to: Randall said that Rage and Port are fictional, but he seems perfectly alright with meeting with Bricker. We know that Brian Bricker is a real, living, breathing person, because you guys met him at ARGfest. I'm thinking that Randall exists in our reality, and therefore could not meet with Rage or Port because they don't. I suppose that saying someone is fictional is pretty much the same thing as saying that they exist in a separate reality.

Which only further confirms your theory that this Randall is not the same Randall as the one in TGATT, classical. Oh, and by the way, thanks for that manuscript, I just realized that I guess I never got the whole thing either... just bits and pieces from this thread, haha.
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 		Whew, 98 pages is one hell of a lot to digest in 1 sitting. Took me a good few hours, and I had to skip out most (if not all) of the stuff that wasn't actually written in this thread, but I think I managed to pick the relevant stuff out with what you posted hear. Not sure, brains too frazzled at this moment in time Razz

Anyhow, i'd be happy to join the brood and help out wherever I can. Though this'd probs more be just towards the logical thinking side, as I can't do any digging until after Tuesday (on my bros comp, dont want him reading all these sites etc. and getting scared about the end of the world or something Razz) and am in the UK so can't do meets unfortunately.

Can someone just clarify when we last heard from Rage/King? Someone mind dropping them an e-mail to make sure they still 'exist'? Think that may be what this Randall guy was getting at, but it's probably nothing ^^

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classical wrote:
Here's something else that has been concerning me for a while: Randall's comment on Port and Rage being fictional. Which, okay, if you really want to point fingers, he's just as fictional as them to us--but they're supposed to be existing in the same reality. Why would he call them fictional? Jesus, if Randall's actually apart of what's left of the Watchers as I suspect he is, Rage only KILLED ALL OF HIS TEAMMATES, fyi. Or even if Randall's outsider "hired help" as per his comment about being paid, it was by the Watchers... who are, y'know, just as fictional.
Am I just reading it wrong? Or did someone else get confused by that as much as I did? It's been really bugging me.


Here's what I think:
We have 3 levels of Game Play here: OOG, IG, and DIG (Deep In Game).

There's a real PM (Bricker-OOG) that's running the fake company that Mr Eric worked for before he got fired (IG), which is putting on the game that Lenny/Rage/Demolay is/was working in (DIG). I'm also thinking that, besides being the PM of this one, Bricker is also a character IG as well.

If Randall is a member of Eric's "company", then of course Port and Rage would be fictional to him since he's not on the same level

classical wrote:
Anyhoo, what I'm concerned about is that Bricker's really losing focus here, and if we don't find a solution, he may not be of any use to us once August 31st rolls around. Someone's tampered with his family's memories, it appears, much in the same way that Port had his memories of Jenny removed. And perhaps have moved onto him now...


Do Bricker and Port seem to have any similar friends or happenings, besides the whole mind wipe deal?

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Ryutso wrote:
Do Bricker and Port seem to have any similar friends or happenings, besides the whole mind wipe deal?


You know... it's been suggested a few times that Bricker thinks of Port as an extension of himself. Kinda a self-insertion into the story.

In Portland, I remember that Wulf showed him one of the pictures that he had gotten in Port's book--this one. It has "'72" written on the back, so we assumed that Port thinks this image is of him. But Bricker had a good, long look at it... after a lengthy pause, he said he knew the building in the background; it had been somewhere he'd visited a lot as a child. He couldn't say where he thought Port had gotten this picture, but he also said that Port (in his writing) had experienced similar things that he'd experienced.

If we are to go with ironnikki's theory on multiple realities... Port is Port in his reality, but in THIS reality, Bricker is, perhaps, "playing" the role of Port.

And... extending this further... Port has a Jenny and a Brightman in his reality. Bricker said many times in Portland that nothing exists off the coast of Bodega Bay except a lot of rocks; there is no real Brightman Institute. But following this theory, there might be some equivalent of a Jenny and a Brightman to Bricker that he needs to work out. And it's highly possible he doesn't know who it is, just in the same way that Port doesn't remember who Jenny/the Oracle really is anymore.

Or, perhaps, this meeting on August 31st is going to be a moment of convergence. Perhaps the cemetery is a portal of sorts between the two realities and, by Bricker showing up there, they are going to merge...

Oh man. I'm just dumping my thoughts here, so don't mind me. Reread Griffin & Sabine books and now I'm thinking too hard.
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 		Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?

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Gadjilitron wrote:
Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?


I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.
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Wulf74 wrote:
Gadjilitron wrote:
Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?


I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.


Hmmm, fair enough. So we just wait till the 31st?

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Gadjilitron wrote:
Wulf74 wrote:
Gadjilitron wrote:
Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?


I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.


Hmmm, fair enough. So we just wait till the 31st?


Seems like it. Hopefully something doesn't happen to Bricker before then. *knock on wood*

Although I, personally, still maintain my "3 levels of Game" theory.

EDIT: Thanks Schwinn

Also, about Gad's/Wulf's theory on why Randall is helping but saying Port/Rage don't exist, could Randall exist to help Bricker himself finish the story and write Port/Rage into the Brightman?

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Ryutso wrote:
Gadjilitron wrote:
Wulf74 wrote:
Gadjilitron wrote:
Just another random thought while im still here.

Something in all of this confuses me completely. Isn't Randall supposed to be the one who's going to help us get Port and Rage (if he's that stubborn about going) into the Institute? Yet he claims that NONE of these things exist in this reality. Anyone else find this a bit...odd?


I had mentioned a lot of this when we first got that strange email from Randal, but there's so many directions to go, so many possible theories, so much meta to get caught up in again. I think we'd best be careful, and just proceed with what we've been given.


Hmmm, fair enough. So we just wait till the 31st?


Seems like it. Hopefully something doesn't happen to Bricker before then. *knock on wood*

Although I, personally, still maintain my "3 levels of Game" theory.

EDIT: Thanks Schwinn

Also, about Gad's/Wulf's theory on why Randall is helping but saying Port/Rage don't exist, could Randall exist to help Bricker himself finish the story and write Port/Rage into the Brightman?


That, I must say, is quite plausible. Well done on that. Though wasn't he meant to help us hack into the GPS feed or something? Liking that theory alot though.

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 		Ahhhh so much meta, so little to actually do. Brings me back to the beginning of all this, it does. /sniffle

In any case, I'm trying some desperate attempts to help Bricker get his head screwed back on straight, or you know, as best as I can over email. Including finding my lost camera and digging up the few non-blurry pictures I actually took of Bricker in Portland (he's the guy in white). Damnit, I wish I'd thought to get a picture of the three of us... would be rather helpful right now...

Also:
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Can someone just clarify when we last heard from Rage/King?


Rage tweeted something back on the 16th of August; I got a d'tweet from Port on the 14th, though he never responded back to what I said back to him.
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 		I'm looking at the picture Classi and I see a powerpoint on "taking it underground because Privacy is not respected". I remember you guys saying back in the thread about the deletion of this one, that you and Wulf and Schwinn would take this ARG underground if you couldn't do it on UF.

What was the whole powerpoint/discussion with Bricker actually on?

Also, I know it's the little microphone stub, but in the second picture the woman that Bricker is talking to looks like she has a mustache.

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 		The powerpoint pictured was actually Tenenbaum's (uF admin) piece, which did comment on a lot of things that happened here and elsewhere in lineblurry games. The whole panel was supposed to be on games that were really blurring the lines, but as it turned out to be, it was more of an open forum for people to launch insults at the panel members. Which... I'm not going to get into again to start beating the dead horse. Wulf and I wrote up about the experience back in the thread somewhere.

Though, hahaha, actually, that WOULD be a mustache. Someone was handing out stick-on mustaches every time someone asked a question.
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