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Merago
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Yes it is - Classical received a "coded" message from Bricker. Basically saying that he was under duress from this Ron character - and that not to contact him at home/work -and he'd be in touch with us


I could be way off here as I didn't receive the email, nor do I know which address it was sent from, but, given the background to this game, isn't it at least slightly possible that this "Ron" person has been following this thread, has seen how into it the players were and disappointed they are that it's ended and, having had his ego stroked, has decided (again) to continue the game? The bolded text set alarm bells ringing for me straight away. The first thing that came to mind when I read it was "Don't tell Mom!".

I was lurking on this one and following it avidly through all it's meta, all it's twists and turns. If it is back on, then it was one meta twist too many for me. I've completely lost interest now. But I totally understand those who invested so much time carrying on with it.
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 		Could this be a project from that university in TX where (insert name I've forgotten, sorry) is teaching courses on ARGs?
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konamouse wrote:
Could this be a project from that university in TX where (ADAM LLOYD BRACKIN,) is teaching courses on ARGs?


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konamouse wrote:
Could this be a project from that university in TX where (insert name I've forgotten, sorry) is teaching courses on ARGs?

I believe they did Electron Innovations. I don't think they would do something like this for that class.
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Shanana
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Morally and ethically, this game is just all sorts of wrong - and that comes from someone who was completely fascinated by The Human Pet. There are lines and this is one that I just cannot cross.



So don't play. I think a lot of (rather unimaginative) people are jumping to conclusions here. It's funny that most of the people who are up in arms about this weren't even playing the game. I've never seen such limited thinking.

If you don't like paranoia and intrigue, find another game. There a lots of them ya know. Why must all games conform to the same predictable yawn inducing format? Oh no they crossed a boundary!! The sky is falling! Lame. It's unethical! Whose ethics are we talking about? Personally I'm having a blast playing this game.

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Looked like a great place for it, I apologize in hindsight.

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Shanana wrote:
imbri wrote:


Morally and ethically, this game is just all sorts of wrong - and that comes from someone who was completely fascinated by The Human Pet. There are lines and this is one that I just cannot cross.



So don't play.


It would be nice if I'd been given that sort of choice.

When the PMs of the game forced the admins to get involved with their actions, they forced us into a game that I'd really rather not be playing - trying to understand just wtf is going on here. And, since I started this thread (and as a mod on this forum), I feel compelled to keep checking in. The more I check in, the more I resent being manipulated and dislike where the game headed. It's all a shame really, because it seems like there were some pretty interesting (if fairly typical) themes to play with. Unfortunately, all the BS got out of hand and really detracted from what all they had and showed (to me, at least) that the PMs couldn't be trusted.

But, as I said in the post you quoted, I wouldn't judge anyone for choosing to play. I didn't say that I wouldn't have an opinion on the game and what I was seeing.

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Shanana wrote:

So don't play. I think a lot of (rather unimaginative) people are jumping to conclusions here.

Hi, and welcome to the forums.

Actually, there have been some pretty cogent discussions about trust issues and audience respect in this thread. Calling someone 'unimaginative' simply because they do not hold your point of view is, well, very Duck Season / Rabbit Season.

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It's funny that most of the people who are up in arms about this weren't even playing the game. I've never seen such limited thinking.

Oh, I'm sure you have.

One of the first pieces of advice I give to Puppetmasters is "never underestimate the power of the lurker."

People lurk a lot. I follow lots of game threads and forums (when I can) that I am not actively involved in. It doesn't mean I'm not playing.

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Personally I'm having a blast playing this game.

Yay!

What's awesome is that your enjoyment is not necessarily harmed by the machinations of this particular forum, unless what people have said about this game really bother you - which is weird, since the issue is not with the players.
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classical
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krystyn wrote:
What's awesome is that your enjoyment is not necessarily harmed by the machinations of this particular forum, unless what people have said about this game really bother you - which is weird, since the issue is not with the players.


All I'm going to say on this matter is that it takes players to make a game, as a game can't live without the players. What you say about the game can then be applied to the players that play it--is all I'm gonna say.

In any case, it truly appears as if this game is back on and everything that happened on Sunday night was staged. I've personally been in correspondence with the "real" writer of the game for the past couple of days, trying to dredge the truth out of him. If you'd like to see the emails and stuff, just gimme a shout and I'll be happy to share. I just get the feeling that this is a) not the thread for them and b) this is no longer the forum for them, either.

But, to clear things up: "Ron" is not the PM, nor has ever been the PM. He's a Fed. Furthermore, he's just a character in this game, so any previous claims he's made before about being said PM should probably be dismissed. As Bricker v3.0 has claimed, he never even KNEW "Ron" before Sunday night in the chat. "Ron" posed as him that night and, under force, Bricker to send out the photos and make the calls that he did. Here, an audio file for your enjoyment of the message he left me on my phone on Sunday night. Doesn't he sound a little ...nervous?

So if we take what he says at face value like we have before, everything that "Brian" said in that chat room and sent to the administrators of this forum on Sunday is moot.

And now a couple of the old sites are being posted to again. So I don't think the ride's quite over yet.
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Rogi Ocnorb wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUc3wd4It8g

QFT! rogi, I adore you... the best part is, I can't decide if that applies to the "game" or this thread, and in both cases it makes me giggle!

classical wrote:
All I'm going to say on this matter is that it takes players to make a game, as a game can't live without the players. What you say about the game can then be applied to the players that play it--is all I'm gonna say.


Wrong. What has been said about the "game" and the "PM Team" are that it is shady, there is a lack of trust, there was POSSIBLY some illegal activity at one point... Unless *you* are putting out there some subtext that anyone is calling the PLAYERS {people who choose to go along with whatever this thing is} shady {and I don't see how that is the case, since you yourself seem to persist in playing} then I think you should watch what words you are putting into other's mouths.

IF you continue to play, fine. No one is going to hold anything against you for playing. That isn't to say we won't disagree with the game, or the team behind it. That isn't to say I won't question motives.

I take huge issue with what it could do to the genre {I know, I am such a broken record with games that push lines too far}. The genre should be fluid, but does that fluid HAVE to be poison? {See what I did there?} Why is it every time there is a huge blowup about a PM team doing something HARMFUL that there are those who have to come out and say "how unimaginative of those of you who disagree!"???

I mean, maybe it's the sleep deprivation, but honestly, I'm so tired of that battle cry {ah look, I did it again!}. A genre based on trust is CONSTANTLY pushed over the lines. I don't have a clue what's going on anymore with this game, but at one point there was a chance it was, what, blackmail? - And some people STILL went along with it, even while were thinking that it might be illegal, "just in case"? And you wonder why some of us don't want to see the genre go in this direction? This isn't unimaginative stale thinking, this is protection for a genre that keeps me going.

Games where the line is SO blurred between game and reality, if done properly, are AMAZINGLY fun - and are few and far between. Pushing your audience into doing things that may be ethically wrong is not broadening a genre, it is not ADDING to the credibility of the genre. Not for those of us who are just players, not for those of us who do this out of passion, and not for those of us who do this for a living.

This is *still* a baby of a genre. Growing in leaps and bounds every day. To some extent, "we" have hit the mainstream. Games like the Lost Experience and ILOVEBEES {like them or not} made headlines and helped.... Events that have NOTHING even to do with arging, such as the fiasco litebrite mooninite ad camps, are being tied negatively to the genre. And you wonder why some of us are so protective?
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Shanana wrote:

So don't play. I think a lot of (rather unimaginative) people are jumping to conclusions here. It's funny that most of the people who are up in arms about this weren't even playing the game. I've never seen such limited thinking.

If you don't like paranoia and intrigue, find another game. There a lots of them ya know. Why must all games conform to the same predictable yawn inducing format? Oh no they crossed a boundary!! The sky is falling! Lame. It's unethical! Whose ethics are we talking about? Personally I'm having a blast playing this game.


No, I wasn't playing this game. I was brought into it when Brian emailed me, asking me (as a moderator) to remove the threads here at UF because they contained his personal info. I brought it to the attention of the admins, who then had to waste their time figuring out if Brian was real or not. I'm surprised that the PMs thought making the volunteer admins/mods do a bunch of unnecessary work was a good way to try to make more people play the game.

Trying to bring UF into the game isn't new and ground-breaking. It's been done countless times over the years (I think the earliest was 5 years ago?). It's a boundary that's been crossed already and isn't all that innovative.
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 		Does this all mean that the old thread is going to go back up? I sure would like to continue my reading. I find this to be an interesting case study. I think everyone can learn something, even from this... ummmm... "game".

Hmmm... who's playing who?

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... but at one point there was a chance it was, what, blackmail? - And some people STILL went along with it, even while were thinking that it might be illegal, "just in case"?


Sure, okay. It's "just the game". So who's fault was it here that people continued to play? The players' or just the game's? If it's really "just the game", do you also suggest that the people who went along with it are complete sheep, too?

This game is built on paranoia and crossing lines, but it's also built on player interaction and involvement. I had pieces of my life incorporated into the game at one point, and you're telling me not to, I dunno, get upset that you're verbally trying to rip the game a new one? I can't help but take some offense to someone tearing apart a game that I've emotionally invested in. I also can't help but feel that, though you do not explicity imply we're terrible people for enjoying all the low-brow muck we've been dragged through in this game... you're still arguing with other players, rather than duking this out with the PM.

If you want the PM to know how much you dislike this game, I do hope you've at least sent "Brian" a nice terse email back with your full critique. Since, otherwise? There's no point of this public spectacle of a trainwreck if it's really only "just the game".

Because this thread isn't getting anywhere, in that respect. Preaching to the choir, here. In fact, I think it's working against your cause. You might be surprised about the amount of interest this game has been generating here (and in my inbox).

Even if the PM isn't sorry, I do apologize to the admins that had to be dragged into this and have been forced to spend time on it. I really do. Because I know you guys have lives to attend to that are more important than any game is.

But that's all I'm going to be sorry for, and that wasn't even my fault. What I'm not going to be sorry for is playing the game, supporting the game, or, furthermore, having fun for playing the game. Perhaps that just makes me lesser of a player and a person for enjoying the mindfuck it has been, but I don't care.

No one cared that this was breaking uF rules left and right and pulling shit on players since the start, but since you're now all personally involved, it's srs bsns and I guess I understand this sudden vendetta against it. But it took a month and a half before anyone cared, and at that point--it's too late. I'm seeing this through. Since I'm sure that another thread dedicated to this game would not be well received, our group has taken our festivities elsewhere. I even stopped caring about the old thread here, because we're managing with what little we've got saved.

So, hey. Congrats. Thanks for the lecture. We're gone. And you win!

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