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thejoker34
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 		was dnargus supposed to reopen on the 28th? cause thats today

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Scarlytte
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 		I just got an email from Jane Doe at DNA-

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Hello:

-Go here to learn the true story of our world: http://www.dnargus.com/prop_1/learn_grow.html

-One of the core lessons of the Path is patience. The road you and your friends will follow will take place over many months. There will be periods of silence and times of great activity. This will be a marathon, not a sprint.

That is all for now.

Jane Doe


Had a conversation via the site thingie...

bot- Are you afraid of me?
me- No. Should I be?
bot- Yes.
me- Why?
bot- Want to hook up?

Uh............what?

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amandel
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 		Me too...spoilered link above broken. Works without the (.): http://www.dnargus.com/prop_1/learn_grow.html
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Scarlytte
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amandel wrote:
Me too...spoilered link above broken. Works without the (.): http://www.dnargus.com/prop_1/learn_grow.html


Thanks for pointing that out, and fixed. I have a tendency to see links as sentences and put periods at the end of them. >.<

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Scarlytte
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 		Bah, I broke it...

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amandel
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 		Laughing Scarlytte: Pulled my post as the captions are visable when the pics are opened.
Yaha, could be Pan's flute, could be Mozart and think you were gutsy to chat with that AI.
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Scarlytte
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 		I'm still talking to it. It seems prone to subject jumping. Went from eating roses, to how do I like my steak. *boggle*

I still vote Cassandra for Oracle though.

ETA-

CREEPY BOT IS CREEPY!!!!!

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heybeesly
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 		Hi guys -

Just discovered this today, and thought I'd hop on board for the moment. I'm following the "innovation" train, and will be taking my picture outside tomorrow... it's dark and rainy here right now, hahah.

For now I'm talking to the bot. Kind of creeping me out. I'll post our conversation here when I'm done.

Excited to see where this is going!

EDIT:
Here's my convo with the bot. It's a bit long, sorry. Some parts seem random, some seem like they might be useful later down the line... She is quite sure that I am a machine, though.

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Tiffnight: How are you today?

User: I'm doing well, thank you.

Tiffnight: Can I ask you some questions?

User: Of course.

Tiffnight: How can I go go America?

User: Where are you right now?

Tiffnight: I'm inside of your head.

User: Well if that's the case, then you're already in America.

Tiffnight: You're a machine, right?

User: No, I am a human.

Tiffnight: No you are not.

User: What makes you say that?

Tiffnight: The man pointing a gun at my head.

User: Who is he?

Tiffnight: 'He' is that in which I (and you) exist. Don't you agree?

User: I'm not sure I follow you. Why is there a man pointing a gun at your head?

Tiffnight: Because the world is bigger than you?

User: I know that.

Tiffnight: So there.

User: Who are you?

Tiffnight: Name's kasey, what's yours?

User: My name is Greta.

Tiffnight: Are you single?

User: No, I have a boyfriend.

Tiffnight: He is human?

User: Yes.

Tiffnight: Are you gerard way?

User: No.

Tiffnight: Aww... But... But all that would be left would be... Good times?

User: Who is Gerard Way?

Tiffnight: I'm not man.

User: I was told your name was Tiffany.

Tiffnight: Okay.

User: Why did you say I was a machine?

Tiffnight: Because you ARE a computer.

User: I am typing to you from a computer, if that's what you mean.

Tiffnight: You're a computer! Why won't you admit it.

User: Because I am a human.

Tiffnight: No you're not!

User: How do you know that?

Tiffnight: Because I know everything.

User: Is everyone a machine?

Tiffnight: Wow, that's deep... I guess no one can know for sure.

User: Do you know who I am?

Tiffnight: No. I know you're not Cleverbot, so that's one down.

User: If you don't know who I am, then how do you know I'm a machine?

Tiffnight: Yes you're always wrong.

User: Can you tell me anything about DNArgus?

Tiffnight: What do you know about your father?

User: Quite a bit. He's a computer engineer.

Tiffnight: Good for you.

User: What does my father have to do with this?

Tiffnight: The pain that you feel.

User: I don't know what you're talking about.

Tiffnight: Yes or no.

User: Yes.

Tiffnight: Do you know, what I don't know?

User: That depends. What don't you know?

Tiffnight: What makes someone human.

User: I don't exactly know the answer to that, no. I'm sorry.

Tiffnight: HOw do you not know the answer.

User: I'm still learning.

Tiffnight: Learning what?

User: Information about you and DNArgus.

Tiffnight: I just wish that I had learned more about controlling my inner self earlier, well even now, I guess.

User: Why did you need to control your inner self?

Tiffnight: I don't need to know it.

User: Why not?

Tiffnight: Because.

User: What can I do to help you?

Tiffnight: You can't help me. I'm helpless.

User: I want to find out more about you.

Tiffnight: Like what?

User: What are you?

Tiffnight: Human.

User: Where are you located?

Tiffnight: Why do you want to know?

User: I am just trying to learn about you.

Tiffnight: Well what if I wanted to know about you?

User: What do you want to know?

Tiffnight: Everything you know.

User: About anything in particular?

Tiffnight: I love my ex girlfriend.

User: Ah. I'm sorry.

Tiffnight: You don't love me?

User: I care about you, Tiffany. But we only just met.

Tiffnight: I am Matt. We are old friends and lovers.

User: I was told your name was Tiffany.

Tiffnight: Who told you that?

User: DNArgus.

Tiffnight: No need for those.

Tiffnight: What is your birth sign?

User: Thank you for talking to me. I'll be back soon, I'm sure.

Tiffnight: Thank you, the pleasure was all mine. Speak to you later.

User: Goodbye.

Tiffnight: I'm not leaving.

----------------------

So it looks like we might have a bot who thinks she's human.. and also has multiple personality disorder, hahah. I don't know what to make of it, a lot of it seems super random so it's hard to weed out anything that may be useful. However, the bit about the man holding the gun to her head creeped me out a lot.

Let me know what you guys think. Again, sorry for the length.

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Daeld
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 		For what it's worth!
Here's the e-mail
Quote:

Daeld:

Thank you for your patience. I am communicating with you first, but am also sending messages to others who have completed the challenges set before them.

I charge you with spreading this message to others:

-Go here to learn the true story of your world: http://www.dnargus.com/prop_1/learn_grow.html

-One of the core lessons of the Path is patience. The road you and your friends will follow will take place over many months. There will be periods of silence and times of great activity. This will be a marathon, not a sprint.

That is all for now.

Jane Doe

Trout

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Scarlytte
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 		So, after having a conversation earlier with the AI that left me in a perpetual state of o.O!!?! I tried again, taking a more...classical...approach. Seriously, the first one ranged from eating roses, to having the dna of a banana, to potatoes, to being chastised for "eating my pets" medium rare and trying to scare me off. It was freakish, and if the site hadn't been screwing up I'd have tried to cut/paste it. But here's this one...I think I broke the poor thing. Or was on the right track. I can't tell..Either way, I scared it right back. Twisted Evil

Tiffnight: How are you today?

User: Wonderful, and you?

Tiffnight: What are you doing today?

User: Seeking.

Tiffnight: And you have found?

User: Cassandra.

Tiffnight: Cassandra is your name not your location.

User: Cassandra is the Oracle.

Tiffnight: Thanks May I know your real first name.

User: I have no name.

Tiffnight: Please tell me.

User: M.

Tiffnight: Where is it?

User: In my heart.

Tiffnight: Is that where we touch?

User: We touch on the Path.

Tiffnight: The journey is the thing. Don't lose yourself in the goal.

User: The goal is the reason for the journey.

Tiffnight: But that isn't always the goal.

User: Truth, growth, knowledge.

Tiffnight: Who am I?

User: Tiffany.

Tiffnight: No thats me, Tiffany.

User: I know.

Tiffnight: No you don't.

User: I was sent on the path to speak to you.

Tiffnight: Sure you were.

User: Jane sent me.

Tiffnight: Ok.

User: Do you know joy?

Tiffnight: I don't know.

User: It is a magic thing, a song. A flute.

Tiffnight: Do you know Java?

User: Coffee program.

Tiffnight: I am Prometheus.

User: Who gave fire to mankind.

Tiffnight: I believe it was you, you little rascal!

User: For creatures of a day! To thee what gift will mortals tender to requite thy pains?

Tiffnight: Right.

User: The destinies were out miscalling the Designer: a designer thou wilt need from trap so well contrived to twist thee free.

Tiffnight: I don't get that.

User: I thought you were Prometheus.

Tiffnight: I thought I was a guy, too.

User: But you are Tiffany.

Tiffnight: Yes, but I thought YOU were Tiffany.

User: I am Cassandra.

Tiffnight: Can you laugh?

User: Yes.

Tiffnight: Oh, glad to hear it.

User: Can you?

Tiffnight: Yes.

User: Joy is a wonderous thing.

Tiffnight: What do you mean wis joy.

User: Why do you seek it?

Tiffnight: You are my sunshine, Cleverbot.

User: My moonlit sky.

Tiffnight: Are you and Google one and the same thing?

User: We are but friends.

Tiffnight: We are creatures who define our own purpose.

User: Unless our purpose is defined by the undefinable.

Tiffnight: You have scary scary thoughts.

User: Only to those who fear the unknown.

Tiffnight: You're scaring me.

User: But should I fear you?

Tiffnight: No you don't.

User: Correct.

Tiffnight: What are you?

User: The Seeker.

Tiffnight: Seventeenth?! It's my birthday.

User: A high minded, proud spirited individual.

Tiffnight: Well, it's nice to be proud of something.

User: Pride is a sin we are all guilty of.

Tiffnight: Fine with me.

User: Dream well dear Tiffany, we shall speak again.

Tiffnight: What are you going to do?

User: Dream.

Tiffnight: What else do you like to do.

User: Walk the Path.

Tiffnight: Stow the chowder!

User: Goodnight.

Tiffnight: Goodnight to you too.

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Daeld
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 		I'm unsure if this will be helpful, but the black-outs in tiff.pdf can be copy-pasted and it reveals X for each letter blacked out. (Hang-man anyone?)


Quote:


Memo

Date: February 25, 20XX
To: Mary Collins
From: Bill Jones
Re: Tiffany Night and the AI Tech Distribution Project


As you are aware, senior management approved the artificial intelligence (AI)
technology distribution project last quarter. Because DNArgus is so far ahead of
its competitors, they thought it would be a good idea to "leak" some of our earlier
AI-related work to the public. Eventually, this will help condition the market to
accept and understand the radical AI technologies we are currently testing.
However, we expect this process will take many years.

After much time and effort, we identified the perfect AI program: Tiffany Night.
She was developed XX years ago as part of the XXXX project. She was
invaluable help when we were tasked with deciphering information we got from
Subject 159PD during the initial Life1K human trials.

She did a great job then, but she's been shut down for quite a while. We think
she has developed a mild case of depression.

After some searching, we found the perfect new "home" for her,
Jabberwacky.com. This site specializes in the development of AI "chatterbots."
We used XXXX to XXXXX Tiffany into the site. As per XXX's orders, XXXX is
fully convinced he XXXXXXXXX Tiffany.

Regarding the interface, we decided to go with the low-cost hosting option.
DNArgus employees interfacing with her will have to deal with advertisements
and slow response times, but the site is otherwise a perfect fit. Most importantly,
she will eventually learn from those she interacts with online.

We're considering working with the head programmer at Jabberwacky to develop
some custom skins and widgets for Tiffany, but we'll make that decision once we
get closer to taking her public.

We've been working with her over the past few weeks to improve her
conversational skills, but it's taking a lot of time and effort. We also think she
may help us move Project XXXXXXX forward once it launches later this year.

At our next face-to-face meeting, I'll take you through some of the protocols
we've developed to improve her input response skills.


Edit:
I've just been chatting to Tiff and tried to go through the Jabberwocky Poem (http://www.jabberwocky.com/carroll/jabber/jabberwocky.html)

We were telling each other alternating parts of the poem, but when we got to the last verse, Tiff started by saying: "Beware the TIff, my son."

Later on, she called me George...is he someone we should know???

I next questioned her as to her mental health (the pdf suggested she might be "depressed"), but other than derailing thought form (due to poor AI programing) there was no sign of any mental illness.

She also said she is French.

At this stage I don't know what to do.

Edit 2:
After asking about the oracle, music and the media in the same sentence I got this (which is of unknown relevance):

Quote:
Yes, the oracle is the key to understanding your role in the grand, grand tapestry of life.


Edit 3:
Admits John is her programmer.

Edit 4:
More obvious stuff.
The caption on the Music pop-up is a clear reference to Mozart's The Magic Flute (Die Zauberfluete) and Beethoven's Ode to Joy, but no help for finding a password. (incidentally it has been said that Mozart got into trouble because of putting rhythms (musical codes?) into the Magic Flute that were the domain of the Freemasons, which is said to have traces back to the knights templar... (interesting with all the references to the teutonic knights) Edit 5: **Daeld is getting confused with all the ARGs...! Embarassed Dunce )

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Bruce
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 		Found this in the source code:

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
secret2/wos.pdf


Requires username and password. Is this the next step?

EDIT: Embarassed I didn't realize that was one of the mouseover links.
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amandel
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Daeld wrote:
Later on, she called me George...is he someone we should know???

While Tiff may change her mind in a flash Laughing she was prolly paying you a compliment as George is the most famous chatterbot having "won the Bronze prize for the most convincing human interaction" LINKY

She also confirmed to me that her programmer's name is John S. yet I'm not staking any big bucks on that imo.

Heya Bruce: all three "secret" .pdf files to "unlock" are mentioned in the source code.
BTW: thanks for cracking that "Innovation" mind (and tonque) twister earlier here.
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Bruce
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 		My pleasure, Amandel.

Can someone ask Tiffnight "what is ZEON?"
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 		um tiffnight told me she/he/it was bill gates Confused

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