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digidigidigi
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maybe indicates the 0's and -'s should be switched up-side-down.

PostPosted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:48 am
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Also, the last few frames which show the headrest, a hand or something appears there. You definitely see a flesh-tone appear just behind the headrest in the last second or so and I can't guess at anything but someone resting their hand there from the back seat. We know there's someone there though already from #7, but because of the pan it may be relevant.

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TheNightmareComplex
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I know we haven't talked about Operator in a while, but I think I may have just made a connection. In my brain.

I was recording a video for YouTube [I know, I know, "Oh great, that idiot's gunna make videos like Dav and become internet famous or try to ruin MH and bla bla bla," but I assure you, the intent of the video was to merely present, and explain the reasoning behind, all of the popular theories and evidence in the MH/TTA/JAF whatnots], when I realised something interesting:

totheark says "Operator belongs to others." This was in response to someone asking if Operator was the audio for Entry 10, I believe. I originally assumed he meant it belonged to another video, not 10.

What if, just, what if, he meant it belonged to someone else? Someone who wasn't Alex?

My theory: Perhaps, after filimg the Exit video in 2006, the cameraman flees the scene. And what we hear in Operator is the resulting audio, complete with distortion a la Slender Man encounter?

Now, with this theory comes a bit of madness, and some ridiculous, nonsensical conclusion-jumping:

It is my belief that Entry 13 was the point in time where the original prey of Slender Man, who I'll just call totheark, decided to shift Slender Man's focus onto Alex instead of himself. A sort of deal with the devil. Perhaps the Operator symbol was a means to get his attention, or summon him, or some kind of ancient rule or something, or it may be the only way to rid oneself of Slender Man. Draw the symbol on the ground and give him his next victim.

Then, totheark named J and Alex as the next victims, or maybe just J. So Slender Man stood in wait, for J to appear, and instead, found Alex. SM haunts Alex until he moves away, while J gains all the negative effects from his presence. The sickness or whatever. I don't know. In hindsight, most of this seems really stupid.

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Kilo
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That was one of the original ideas I had about Alex, after 15 was up. He didn't so much achieve any type of closure, as much as he somehow passed SM onto somebody else- Brian, in my humble opinion, though it could be anyone.

To kind of expand on that- here's my take on things. Tim suggested that Brian and Alex were friends. The fact that Brian seemed like Alex's spokesperson hints at this- Tim says that Brian told him about the dead animals on the lawn. But it never comes up in the tapes. Which is exactly the kind of odd thing that one would notice. You think Alex would devote the two seconds to go "Hey, look, eviscerated animals on my lawn."

I want to guess that Alex found the only person he could confide in was Brain, about this tall bastard in a suit that was following him around. It becomes too much for Alex, so he finds a way to pass SM onto Brian, and blows town.

Of course, with Brian, there's no word of where he went. So, maybe SM snagged him to a Lovecraftian dimension.

TNC, my only issue with your idea is that in 13, Alex already seems to know to be scared. Unless you're saying that SM was just hanging around because of who ever TTA is, and then TTA passed him off. Which works, I suppose. I think it has a few details that need some reworking, but I suppose it could be plausible. If someone did somehow bait Alex into going there, it must've been someone working on the movie.

I guess SM is like the video from The Ring? Or something? I don't know.

And, someone else needs to tell me I'm not crazy, and while the headrest idea is plausible, that is not the headrest- at least, not just the headrest. It looks like someone rubbed it out.

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Antonov
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digidigidigi wrote:
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maybe indicates the 0's and -'s should be switched up-side-down.


Read the posts before you, it has been covered.

And about the passing on Slenderman ideas, I don't know, it could be true. But I don't see how one can get rid of Slenderman so easily. By the way, in Entry #2, Alex talks about the set of Marble Hornets. He doesn't seem to be scared about seeing Slenderman, but in Exit, he does. But wasn't Exit filmed while they were location scouting? He seems to know what to be afraid of in #13, but I'm not sure if that was filmed before or after entry #2. If it was before, then it doesn't make sense, since Alex should've been scared in #2 if that's the case. I'm not making much sense again, sorry, but in a tl;dr manner, I'm just asking if #2 was filmed before #13 or after. In #13, they were location scouting, but in #2, Alex seems to KNOW the exact location of the set of MH. Can anyone back me up on this?

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The Last Gent
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Hmm, you're right, 13 does throw a monkey wrench into the chronology of this thing.

A couple theories:

Student films are haphazard. Is it possible that they started shooting before all locations were known? I've been involved in student films that have done this, mostly due to time constraint. Also, in 15 it's mentioned that there was a good deal of indoor footage, most of which we haven't seen. Maybe, just maybe, the "set" he left in 2 was indoors in someone's house? And the outdoor location scouting came later? That way 13 could come after 2?

But yeah 13 royally screws up any timeline theories that I remember reading from earlier in this thread.

Maybe it goes like this:

Alex leaves the indoor set, encounters SM as described in entry 2. Still thinks he's a wierd man, nothing more.

The location scouting in 5 could happen in almost any early spot in the timeline.

While shooting on set in entry 12 SM shows up again. Alex still thinks he's a crazy old man.

They do ?more? location scouting and entry 13 happens. Alex figures out this guy's not normal around here?

I dunno, this is speculation at best.

As for "passing on" SM's curse, thus far the videos have made me feel he's tied to something in the woods, or possibly the woods themselves, and this is all due to people intruding. Then again this wouldn't make the JAF blog make much sense unless someone in Iraq was also from the area, which is what I'm currently trying to figure out. Also there's little real proof so far, it's just the feeling I'm getting.

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The Last Gent is correct about student film scouting.

I'm guessing 13 is just the first time he starts realizing something is wrong. It could be his third encounter with SM (Dog walking 2, on set 12, and now up close).

We have to assume that J returns with the tape, and they do their thing. You think Alex would mention it to J. As for running from him, I'd be kind of uncomfortable if I was alone with some freaky looking guy that has appeared more than once before.

Also, even though the camera is on in 13, Alex doesn't seem to be acting awkward like some other entries.

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I think the upside down "tick tock" is also a way of saying "time is running out". Think about it, tick tock is the noise made by a clock, and clocks mark the time. Feel free to disagree but I think it signifies something related to the timing of Marble Hornets e.g. when it was filmed.

Also, on an unrelated note, anyone else see the MASSIVE resemblance between Slender Man, and the Tall Man from the Chzo Mythos series?

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booba
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O's and 1's turned sideways and read as binary

00000000 00010000 00100000 00110000 01000000
01010000 01100000 01110000 10000000 10010000 00000001

translates into hex as:

00 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 01

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TheNightmareComplex
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As for Alex not being creeped out by the Slender Man in #2 and being creeped out in #13:

I'll tell you, if I was alone in the woods, and saw some dude without a face staring at me from behind a fence, turned around, and found him standing around the corner, I'd be pretty fucking scared.

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Kilo wrote:

TNC, my only issue with your idea is that in 13, Alex already seems to know to be scared. Unless you're saying that SM was just hanging around because of who ever TTA is, and then TTA passed him off. Which works, I suppose. I think it has a few details that need some reworking, but I suppose it could be plausible. If someone did somehow bait Alex into going there, it must've been someone working on the movie.


Anyway, yes, that was the gist of what I was poking at. I think Slender Man can be passed on, and TTA knew how. Alex eventually figured it out; Or maybe he didn't, who knows.

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Clueless wrote:
The Last Gent is correct about student film scouting.

I'm guessing 13 is just the first time he starts realizing something is wrong. It could be his third encounter with SM (Dog walking 2, on set 12, and now up close).

We have to assume that J returns with the tape, and they do their thing. You think Alex would mention it to J. As for running from him, I'd be kind of uncomfortable if I was alone with some freaky looking guy that has appeared more than once before.

Also, even though the camera is on in 13, Alex doesn't seem to be acting awkward like some other entries.


I mean, it makes sense, but that's horror movie logic right there... especially this early on, assuming it is the third entry. "Yo, we're getting the hell out of here, some creepy guy in a suit is hanging around and can teleport or some shit like that."

I mean, in later entries, it can be chalked up to his growing paranoia and agitation. But this early on? Nah, I don't buy it.

There are a bunch of holes from Entry 13 I would like filled, though. Like if anyone they knew was out there, or if they were supposed to meet someone out there, or if J thought it odd Alex was out of breath and running around like an idiot. Of course, in the spirit of things, I'm sure J would be like "I don't remember." Has anyone asked him?

Also, I personally believe that the title of the new TTA video warrants some attention.

All of the video titles are pretty cryptic, obviously, but there seems to be something there. "Regards" seem to be his way of going "Yo, what's up, I'm here". Operator has seemed to play an immense role in all of this. Deluge and Impurity seem to be working with the water theme. Exit can imply- especially if TNC is right in his theory- that J somehow managed to avoid getting stalked by SM. Program has got me at a loss, I'll be the first to admit it. Advocate seems to imply some kind of cooperation.

All speculation, of course, but it's the thought that counts, right?

EDIT: I also want to point out that totheark's lack of using this video as a response absolves Tim of any foul play. I mean, a video titled "Advocate"? Can be seen as pretty incriminating.

EDIT 2: Never mind, I'm a moron. When I looked earlier, I could've sworn it wasn't a response.

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GrimBloodyFable wrote:

Also, on an unrelated note, anyone else see the MASSIVE resemblance between Slender Man, and the Tall Man from the Chzo Mythos series?


You mean the 5 days a stranger series? Yeah, I do. Except Chzo scares me more. XD

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Hmm. I think the "entry 13 is the third sighting" idea may have some merit. For instance, note that the tape has two gaps in it, between J and Alex talking, Alex filming the tree tops, and Alex filming near the concrete structure. If he was paranoid at this point, he would have been filming constantly, rather than turning the camera on and off at his whim.

Of course, bits and pieces could have been removed in editing, but I think it's more likely that he was turning the camera on and off when he felt like at the point of entry 13.

So lack of paranoia, but fear of SM = early sighting, but definitely not one of the first?

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2/12 are definitely first on the timeline. I'm of the opinion that the two entries are actually staged rather far apart. I only say that because they both seem mutually exclusive in the sense both can work as the first encounter, but you can't have two firsts. Entry 2 comments on how there was some creepy guy standing under a light down the street. Entry 12 shows Alex going "Hey, buddy!"

No recognition in either one, so if they're far enough apart, he could've forgotten. But seeing some tall, creepy guy in a suit 2 days in a row would definitely fire off some synapse in my head.

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