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morscata12
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zygotesix wrote:
J blacks out in this last entry. J admits to having no memory whatsoever of the filming he was a part of in entry 17. You might think that two blackouts or memory loss episodes aren't a big deal.

But how many other times has J completely lost his memory of some event, that we don't know about because HE doesn't know about them? He only tells us he can't remember entry 17 because he realizes when he watches it that he can't remember being there that day. Without similar video or situations like entry 18 to jog his memory, we have no way of knowing how often he loses memories of situations like this. For all we know, he's got no memory of 12 hours of each day. He could be losing large chunks of time and not even know it.

This definitely should be taken into account when people are discussing his viability as a trustworthy narrator. All we know is that he's lost his memory of two situations that we have experienced first hand, with no logical reason for him to lose said memories - no head trauma, no drug use (that we know of), etc. So we HAVE to assume there are other episodes of memory loss that we just don't know about, and treat him accordingly.


As J has stated on Twitter, he had experienced one blackout in the past, and had gotten very sick several times. However, those times of sickness only occurred after totheark sent his YouTube replies. Although I didn't agree with the theory when I first read it, I think we should consider the possibility that interaction with totheark is causing adverse physical reactions in J. This may have happened in Entry 17 - if totheark was in Entry 17, he may have caused J to forget what had just happened.

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morscata12 wrote:
zygotesix wrote:
J blacks out in this last entry. J admits to having no memory whatsoever of the filming he was a part of in entry 17. You might think that two blackouts or memory loss episodes aren't a big deal.

But how many other times has J completely lost his memory of some event, that we don't know about because HE doesn't know about them? He only tells us he can't remember entry 17 because he realizes when he watches it that he can't remember being there that day. Without similar video or situations like entry 18 to jog his memory, we have no way of knowing how often he loses memories of situations like this. For all we know, he's got no memory of 12 hours of each day. He could be losing large chunks of time and not even know it.

This definitely should be taken into account when people are discussing his viability as a trustworthy narrator. All we know is that he's lost his memory of two situations that we have experienced first hand, with no logical reason for him to lose said memories - no head trauma, no drug use (that we know of), etc. So we HAVE to assume there are other episodes of memory loss that we just don't know about, and treat him accordingly.


As J has stated on Twitter, he had experienced one blackout in the past, and had gotten very sick several times. However, those times of sickness only occurred after totheark sent his YouTube replies. Although I didn't agree with the theory when I first read it, I think we should consider the possibility that interaction with totheark is causing adverse physical reactions in J. This may have happened in Entry 17 - if totheark was in Entry 17, he may have caused J to forget what had just happened.


what if..... bear with me on this... J and masked man make each other sick somehow? and masked man wants to get rid of him to not be sick? i dunno i went on a wild jump there

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i get the feeling it'll end with entry 20..

speculation, of course, but my specs. are normally accurate


Not cocky at all, are ya?

Meh, I don't think we'd have nearly enough closure if the series ended at 20. Two more videos left to answer all our questions would be very disappointing indeed. That'd be one hell of an infodump.

I don't thing it's going to end before maybe another ten videos, give or take. There's just too much stuff going on.

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Guys, a thought has enetered my head after watching entry 18.

We know that A lot of Alex's (and now J's) tapes have been affected by Distortion. This distortion has either been in the audio or visual tracks of the entries.

Have both forms of distortion ever taken place at the same time? For example a visual tear accompanied by audio distortion?

I'm starting to wonder whether or not the audio and visual effects are not caused by the same source. This could give us a clue to TTA(and presumably Kabuki-man's) identity.

I'm owndering if, for instance, the visual distortions are caused by Slendermans presence and the audio distortions occurr in the presence of TTA. When both are in the same entry, both occurr. Does this sound feasible to anyone?


Well, entry 5 was the first one with straight up audio distortion, and I don't think we have anything from from TTA on entry 5. And, while it's not technically distortion, the audio has been shown to cut out around Slenderman. 1/4/6/10/13/14. And I don't think 16 ever had distortion, even though TTA was right there.

It's a good thought, though, and brings up interesting parallels, such as TTA's obsession with the audio and how SM seems to have no eyes.


16 did have visual tearing when J picked up the water bottle. I'm not sure if you would classify that with the "distortion" of which you speak.

The idea that the visual tearing and the audio tearing are separate effects had crossed my mind, but thinking about it more, I don't really see much evidence for it. It is an interesting concept to chew on, though.

12 had both audio and video distortion. Not tearing exactly, but some of the distortion was visual. I'll have to check again to see if there are any other entries with both audio distortion and visual tearing. Supposedly 18 has both, but I can't seem to find the tear.

morscata12 wrote:
zygotesix wrote:
J blacks out in this last entry. J admits to having no memory whatsoever of the filming he was a part of in entry 17. You might think that two blackouts or memory loss episodes aren't a big deal.

But how many other times has J completely lost his memory of some event, that we don't know about because HE doesn't know about them? He only tells us he can't remember entry 17 because he realizes when he watches it that he can't remember being there that day. Without similar video or situations like entry 18 to jog his memory, we have no way of knowing how often he loses memories of situations like this. For all we know, he's got no memory of 12 hours of each day. He could be losing large chunks of time and not even know it.

This definitely should be taken into account when people are discussing his viability as a trustworthy narrator. All we know is that he's lost his memory of two situations that we have experienced first hand, with no logical reason for him to lose said memories - no head trauma, no drug use (that we know of), etc. So we HAVE to assume there are other episodes of memory loss that we just don't know about, and treat him accordingly.


As J has stated on Twitter, he had experienced one blackout in the past, and had gotten very sick several times. However, those times of sickness only occurred after totheark sent his YouTube replies. Although I didn't agree with the theory when I first read it, I think we should consider the possibility that interaction with totheark is causing adverse physical reactions in J. This may have happened in Entry 17 - if totheark was in Entry 17, he may have caused J to forget what had just happened.


Hm. Interesting idea. We haven't seen any form of sickness as associated with SM. It just seems to focus around TTA. Likewise, J doesn't seem to have had any encounters with SM besides those that Alex seemingly brought on, and Alex just seemed to be turning paranoid, without any visible signs of illness.

So maybe the two aren't linked as directly as we've been led to believe. I think that both probably have a good amount of supernatural weirdness, and happen to be in the same place, but maybe they're linked only loosely, through the happenings of Alex's tapes.

I don't know that I believe this theory myself, but I'm thinking that there may seriously be a separation between the two, whatever it is.

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TheAtroxious wrote:
chaos wrote:
i get the feeling it'll end with entry 20..

speculation, of course, but my specs. are normally accurate


Not cocky at all, are ya?

Meh, I don't think we'd have nearly enough closure if the series ended at 20. Two more videos left to answer all our questions would be very disappointing indeed. That'd be one hell of an infodump.

I don't thing it's going to end before maybe another ten videos, give or take. There's just too much stuff going on.


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but really, my speculation was also based on the assumption that, in the end, we'll be just about as informed as when we began..
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 		Anyone notice "Addition" means that ToTheArk was in the house for SURE, watching J? He never interacted with him then though, he just watched like the creepy fucker he is. But he did tell J that he saw him, and then in Signal he takes an old movie clip and ask J to come back.

I think they were supposed to meet in Entry 18, but the masked dude messed it all up. Perhaps the third entity WAS ToTheArk, helping J escape?

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 		I guess we can just rely on bad MH fanfic, then. I've been wanting to write J/SM slash for a while.

But seriously, I really hope they at least tie some of the plot threads together. Else I'll personally stalk them in a slender man costume and look in their windows at night. That would be such a cop-out, it wouldn't even be funny.

Eh. I sort of want TTA to be benevolent, or neutral, and I'll probably keep trying to believe this unless proven otherwise, but really, we keep getting further away from the idea that TTA is actually there to help.

I think if he was Maskface, he would have actually tried to help J instead of running in his direction like an enraged bull. And if he was the dude who dragged J backward, then he was likely also the one who erased his memory, which, again, isn't a very good sign.

I don't know. That theory just isn't looking too well at the moment.

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 		Here are a few questions I've been having trouble with:

1. Alex lived about half a mile away from where he was filming, in the woods. Is this his childhood home?
His movie was "about a twenty something returning to his childhood home and recalling events that happened there" (quote is J's). Maybe he's making this movie because as a KID he was haunted by Slenderman and can't recall his childhood due to SM's mind-influence? Therefore the plot of his movie would make sense as a sort of "subconscious" realization of having no childhood memories.
So maybe he doesn't remember being haunted by SM as a kid, but when he goes back to make his movie he is able to record SM on tape and realizes that this creature is not NEW to him at all, but haunted him as a child. Is this a possibility?

2. In the earlier entries there is some sort of red box-like structure in the woods where the film took place. When I first watched the entries, this red box seemed like it was an important element to the story, yet we haven't heard anything of it since that one video where they scoped out the scenery for the shots. Is there any information on this?

3. Did TTA try to contact Alex during Alex's original Slenderman sightings? These sightings were originally 2-3 years ago, and TTA posted his own recordings of some of the entries in his responses, so obviously TTA existed and was there for these events(See: TTA=Cameraguy/Tim/whoever else theories). So, why is TTA contacting J now? Did he contact Alex in the same way he is contacting J? Obviously not EXACTLY, since Alex didn't upload youtube videos, but maybe in some other fashion?

The [official] answer to number 3 would give us a lot of info we need, such as whether TTA is benevolent or not, whether he is trying to help J, whether he is an enemy of Slender Man or a disciple/mind-control victim, etc.

Although there would still be a lot of unanswered questions, this next response video should be full of clues and answers (hopefully).

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chaos wrote:
TheAtroxious wrote:
chaos wrote:
i get the feeling it'll end with entry 20..

speculation, of course, but my specs. are normally accurate


Not cocky at all, are ya?

Meh, I don't think we'd have nearly enough closure if the series ended at 20. Two more videos left to answer all our questions would be very disappointing indeed. That'd be one hell of an infodump.

I don't thing it's going to end before maybe another ten videos, give or take. There's just too much stuff going on.


hehe
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Razz

but really, my speculation was also based on the assumption that, in the end, we'll be just about as informed as when we began..


God, I hope not. I know they probably won't really explain Slender Man before the end, but I'd at least like some answers about totheark.

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 		i dunno

i guess i'm just used to things staying mysterious to keep options open for a sequel
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 		Maybe the anonymous tip from earlier was from ToTheArk?

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even if he posted here, it would be ignored
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chaos wrote:
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even if he posted here, it would be ignored


I think he meant the anonymous tip J received to go to the house the first time - which I think we have all quietly accepted as being from TTA.
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 		oh that

lolyea

thought he meant the "itsnotsarah" guy from earlier
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TheAtroxious wrote:
Supposedly 18 has both, but I can't seem to find the tear.


I saw the tearing at least twice in #18.
The first at about 0:52, shortly before he enters the house, as he looks at the blinds and the second as he inspects one of the hidings in the livingroom.

Tried to get some stills but the first seems to be just one frame and i donīt have any software to get it and i couldnīt find the second as i rewatched #18.

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 		Erk. Still can't see it.

All I see is J shining his flashlight about, then the screen going blank before he walks in and looks around.

Maybe I'll inspect it closer later. My video software is rather unstable, though, and tends to lag. Which is weird because I've got a good computer.

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