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Abraxas
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MotaHed wrote:


*EDIT* Oh, I get it now. A few things here:
1) The cipher was effectively IMPOSSIBLE to solve without the 6/49 clue.
2) The ciphertext that was given to us was WRONG so it was LITERALLY impossible to solve without the correction tweeted today.
3) We (speaking as a team, if I may) solved the cipher within a few hours of receiving the correct ciphertext and the utterly random key (6/49).

I don't feel too bad about any of this! Smile


Not necessarily impossible:
1) You have three letters in caps. One of those is definitely the start. You can try the bypass for those. The tricky thing is the skip. There is a "showall" on the applet, but the problem is, it never finishes loading. You have to cancel loading and then you probably have to decrease font size to have it all displayed up until 49. At least that's how it is for me. But it is possible.
Soptyrk must use the very same applet, I guess, because the author of the site says that Skip Cipher is not the official name.
2) That's true. I don't think you would have made that leap on your own, before trying to reverse it or whatever. Slip-up!
3) Well done!

The applet site calls the Kryptos-related parts K1, K2 and K3. We know what K2 and K3 are, we should probably search for K1.
Edit: OK, K1 and K2 are both Vigenere. Smile

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new post by our friend kryptos


Sotpyrk http://twitpic.com/c0qra - This is the key to your undoing. Why is beyond your understanding. Do you want to know how?
11 minutes ago from TwitPic

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Abraxas
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Transcript:
Code:

Bfondbf qf ycwrnt.

Luiawmq xm bnlvzqbj oxm Ibom gds pxoy ziia ic chr dml.

Yzraryv fbk xywboc enkbu.


The card is the Fool (as everyone can see). It points to the letter Aleph. That's the symbol on the lower left.

Don't think it's simple substitution. I tried it with the separate phrases, too.

Would fit in if it was Vigenere this time, especially since the description mentions a "key to undoing" which I read as "key to decipher".
I tried "fool", trumps and "aleph" on the complete set of phrases. Including the spaces, punctuation and line breaks. I don't know if that could be a problem. (No, it's fine.)
No luck.

The Fool represents is usually numbered either 0 or 22. For a longshot, I tried ROT-22 on the phrases and put them in Vigenere decoder with the above keywords. Nothing.

I wonder if the different color background on the three phrases means something.
Since Sotpyrk asks us if we want to know and seems certain that it is "beyond our understanding", perhaps we need to poke him for more clues?

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Looking around the web and finding the original Fool card, it appears that the one thing added to this is the "KJ" on the sun at his waist.

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Since this looks like a classsic Vignere but it's from twisty Sotpyrk perhaps it's a Keyed Vigenere which was devised to be

used with the now familiar Kryptos codes . @Toasty: Good eye. KJ=Kryptos Jester/joker which The Fool card represents? Shocked
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Letter frequency says some type of substitution, sort of odd for something of this length to have one of every letter.

b=8, i=5, y=5, o=5, m=5, r=4, x=4, c=4, n=4, f=4, l=3, w=3, a=3, d=3, q=3, z=3, u=2, k=2, v=2, h=1, e=1, p=1, t=1, j=1, g=1, s=1

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There is a good chance the first phrase translates to "Freedom is coming.", again. From there, it could be reverse-engineered if it was standard Viginere. But I suspect amandel is right and it is a keyed Viginere, as that one is related to Kryptos.

Ok, tried reverse-engineering, assuming the above with simple Vigenere and with keyed Vigenere with alphabet key "kj" *shrug*. Not working. But that alphabet key is lame, anyway.

About the Fool:
When I googled for "fool" and "trumps", I found this first: http://www.psyche.com/psyche/tarot/trumps/fool.html

There it says
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This card is the null-signifier, symbol of that which is beyond thought, designator of what cannot be designated within the universe of structuring signifiers/equations.

That might be what Sotpyrk refers to by saying "beyond our knowledge". That the keyword is "fool".
The site also says that the Fool is associated with Death.
The "key to our undoing"? Perhaps one of those keywords is "death"?

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Are y'all sure it's KJ? Cause blown up and close up it looks more like XJ.....to me anyway.

EDIT: Also, looking at the division of the phrases, I wonder if part of the image in that area corresponds to the key for that particular part of the code?

EDIT again: Also, there are three separate sentences in the taunting text underneath. Perhaps those three sentences themselves are the 'key to your undoing.'

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Channel #zombietruth, anyone?

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Not sure if this helps, but the first key to decrypting the message is to find out the frequency that each letter appears, in the standard english language, the "E" will always appear more often than other letters of the alphabet.

Booba was kind enough to give us a table of the letter frequencies, which shows that "B" is the most repeated letter in the sequence. This makes it safe to assume that "B" = "E".

Using the Vigenere Cipher, Regardless of the Alphabet Key Used, In order to make the letter "B" = "E", the first letter of the Keyword must be "X"

I could just be blowing smoke, but I hope that helps.

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With Vigenere frequency does not matter, because two identical cypher text letters do not have to translate to the same plain text letter. Sad

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just throwing this in, as i'm just back after being at work for a couple of days.....and congrats on getting the last (undecipherable) one so quick.

top block-----0 on the card and Bfondbf qf ycwrnt. as the code

middle block-----XJ or KJ and Luiawmq xm bnlvzqbj oxm Ibom gds pxoy ziia ic chr dml. as the code. using irfan viewer to sharpen an enlarge it does look like XJ, but that could just be the graphics.....

lower block-----trumps the fool and Yzraryv fbk xywboc enkbu. as code.....

also this isn't just any tarot card, it's from the 1969 Aleister Crowley "Thoth Tarot Card Deck, http://www.lermanet.com/scientology-and-occult/
which has links to Ron L Hubbard's scientology

it says on that site "There is also visible a faint S after 'The Fool' on the card above which looks much like the typeface used for the S in Scientology" this would make it THE FOOLS, which sounds very much like the way sotpyrk feels about us.....

don't know if this helps, it's just my first thoughts on it Smile

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From Crowley's wiki page:

Quote:
Portions of the book (The Book of Law) are in numerical cipher, which Crowley claimed an inability to decode. Thelema explains this by pointing to a warning within the Book of the Law — the speaker supposedly warned that the scribe, Ankh-af-na-khonsu (Aleister Crowley), was never to attempt to decode the ciphers, for to do so would end only in folly.

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Belt buckle: KJ XJ or XI to go with the other Roman numerals? Gets to fuzzy for me to tell.

I suppose we can't rule out Autokey Vigenére, would need only one password.

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Given what we're coming up with, its certainly possible that another piece has to be given from Sotpyrk..or it could just be a very clever way to discourage. Going to keep trying regardless though.

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