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[PUZZLE] The UNJUST files
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toongoon
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 		I have to add this so I can get some feedback...where else have we seen the sort of animosity we seee between ol' Scratch and Caesar?

Philip G obviously has some vehement dislike for Doc Leo Kane...Could Phillip's hacker life be crossing over into his "real" life?

However unlikely (but who knows at this point) does scratch = Phillip and Caesar = Dr Leo Kane?

Perhaps way off base and maybe two different threads in this story, but this similarity struck me while reading the conversation?

[EDITed] because I can't type

PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 5:09 pm
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yeahyeah
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And then Texel tells them both to "keep it quiet".

Then on Oct. 16th lhp says to Scratch: [edit] <- I missed this lien [/edit]
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scratch, gimme the skinny on what's makin' you itch, man. I, uh, dig your predicament, i'm a fuzzy on it all, but i wanna grok this completely.


[edit]Er.. I'm an idiot. I misread, replied, then noticed.. So ignore the disagreement[/edit]
I disagree with this interpretation, he's asking him whats bugging him, why is he so annoyed. Sorta like he's coming in late.

gimme the skinny - give me the details
whats making you itch - whats wrong
I dig your predicament - I can relate to your situation (spike?)
I'm fuzzy on it all - I don't have all the details so its confusing (in reference to above)
I wanna grok this completely - I want to understand everything thats going on so I can reach a judgment


Other then that, I think you nailed it solid..



As for what the 'names' in the logs are, those look to me, like a syslog entry (on a *nix type system)

Oct 17 14:59:09 bighat named[30533]: lame server resolving '253.99.206.215.in-addr.arpa' (in '215.in-addr.arpa'?): 199.252.154.251#53

Thats an example of something in logs on a machine called 'bighat' made by a program called 'named' the part in []'s is the process id..



As for the 'numbers' in the the last two columns of the load averages, I think its either a) a bug in their logger b) someone didnt know exactly what all those fields meant.. Probably b... [/quote]

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nomos
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 		I'm thinking just mayyyybe these lines should be looked at?

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scratch is a local directory that's unique to each node


and

Quote:

scratch is the name we gave to a shared folder area for the transfer of files between the various machines on our network


are these just coincidences to go with the corresponding googlism, or could they be a new means for us to find the next meet?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2003 8:16 pm
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yeahyeah
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 		The first phrase is very common..

You'd see scratch directories, or even drives on vms (vax) machines.. Also back then large isps like netcom.com would have 'scratch disks' that were sorta like the /tmp/ directory, but were more of a free for all.. I can't recall the exact name of the netcom directory, I think it was called /hack/ but I'm probably wrong, that was 10+ years ago


The second one I wouldnt consider common usage, since its talking about some specific company, but it doesn't sound like its a 'clue'.

as seen at:
http://www.soapplab.auckland.ac.nz/info/networking/scratch.htm

But it looks innocent enough.. =)

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 		What they talk about took place on monday oct. 6th, after the second picture from paintover.net was released... We were all trying to get into ftpSPLATtheaquapolis.com. I read somebody managed to hack it and so they changed the location of their files: http://www.theaquapolis.com/... with the same username and pw.

Maybe the peak was only us or one of us hacking their network.
They start to realize that WE are watching them.

In one of the unjust files one of the guys wrote:
Man, if we ARE dealing with professionals, they're carrying around the equivalent of a high-grade nuke with a slightly nervous trigger finger

Professionals ? What about an army of furious gamers & frustrated matrix-fans looking for clues ? Wink

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aqualung1105
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 		Mainro -

Every time there´s a new clue somewhere, a new pic or site or whatever, we all go nuts, and for sure the servers hosting these clues would be swamped with hits.
Your point about our activity influencing the game is a good one - bearing in mind that when we play the game we´re a part of the same AR as the in-game caracters (Beth, Phil, the hackers etc.).
But then we should see more events around the other times of new clues surfacing and new events in the "real world" connected to those - I personally like the theory that we´re seeing some indication of direct linkage between computer and "real world" incidents.

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 		So when we find a clue... a building collapses?

if we keep spiking the servers, are the paranormal events the result?
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yeahyeah wrote:
As for what the 'names' in the logs are, those look to me, like a syslog entry (on a *nix type system)

Oct 17 14:59:09 bighat named[30533]: lame server resolving '253.99.206.215.in-addr.arpa' (in '215.in-addr.arpa'?): 199.252.154.251#53

Thats an example of something in logs on a machine called 'bighat' made by a program called 'named' the part in []'s is the process id..

As for the 'numbers' in the the last two columns of the load averages, I think its either a) a bug in their logger b) someone didnt know exactly what all those fields meant.. Probably b...


So the logs were on machines called "cogburn", "wasabi" etc. And Scratch's machine's name is "scrichety", right?

And, yeah, yeah (sorry... couldn't resist, bad joke, I know Smile ) I also think lhp is saying something along the lines of "I can understand your situation", except that I think he/she might mean that it's understandable that Scratch does not want to "hail Caesar", and obey his orders... I think Scratch is just a rebellious kid - you know the cliche "trouble with authority" kind - and he has poor risk assessment, and just does dicey things sometimes. On top of that, he thinks that everybody else doesn't have the balls to disobey Caesar. I don't think he has evil intentions (like Cassius), and he seems too young to be Phillip. But that's just my opinion.

AND - I can't edit anymore, but the "silvia" files were Oct. 12, not Oct. 9.

And I don't think we are the "professionals" they are referring to. I am not sure I'm tying all of this together correctly, but on Oct 12 (silvia) they're talking about a "massive log" that is "definitely not a human footprint". I think Caesar at first thought of blaiming it on Scratch, using "last time" as evidence - and Scratch gets offended and says "misrepresenting me is not cool" (this one I am not at all sure about, so please feel free to correct me). Then everybody comes to a consensus that that was some weird "machine" - the Labyrinth? something Labyrinth hosts? something different entirely?

Then on the 16th (unjust) they are referring to what happened on "last Monday" (the 12th?), showing all of those logs with large CPU loads. That was NOT us (that I am certain about) - kbp says on the 12th "so, if like, we didn't do this, and the other doofii didn't do it, and wasn't human, what was it???" (silvia.kbp, 01:36:28 ). We are probably "the other doofii", lol, not the "professionals" Wink

Now it gets kinda confusing. I think Scratch is trying to prove he had nothing to do with it, but Caesar does not believe him (??). Yeahyeah, care to translate this one for me?
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(Scratch - unjust.mic, Oct. 16 21:35:01)
yeah, hello?
we coulda taken that stack too
if Mr. Moral Cooties [= Caesar?] over here hadn't twinked on us
this stuff is nada, zip, etc.
[ shows this "logging thing with "scritchety" for "logger" and showing no spikes ]
optimize your kernal better next time
so you don't have the problem

Can we move ON now, plz?


I think Scratch says that they could have "done something else", but Caesar was playing safe, and they missed it?
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 		logs
did anyone else notice that one of the loggers was named "Zig"?

is this the hackers way of saying "All your traffic are belong to us."?

or then again, maybe it's the hackers trying to tell us to go get some papers and "Chill" with a fatty.

sorry, needed to vent some dry humor.

and on a side note, since we saw "Chill", i recall the MTV Movie awards (there is a cut of this on your Reloaded Disc 2) where "The Architect", better known as "Larry" told Neo to "Chill out."

does this mean that one of the Hackers is Will Farell?

okay, no more stupid jokes, i promise

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monk
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 		on a serious note, anyone think that the "this stuff is Nada,Zip. Etc." from unjust.mic.swf might point to a file on a *nix directory? (/etc/nada.zip)

just an idea

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Allan Eising
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 		I think what he says is, that the spike doesn't mean anything, and is due to some unoptimized computers (optimize your kernel better next time, or what it is he says).

I think scratch is blaming caesar and co. and saying that the spike was their own fault.

Just a thought, of course.
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(Scratch - unjust.mic, Oct. 16 21:35:01)
yeah, hello?
we coulda taken that stack too
if Mr. Moral Cooties [= Caesar?] over here hadn't twinked on us
this stuff is nada, zip, etc.
[ shows this "logging thing with "scritchety" for "logger" and showing no spikes ]
optimize your kernal better next time
so you don't have the problem

Can we move ON now, plz?


and

Quote:

Allan Eising said -
I think what he says is, that the spike doesn't mean anything, and is due to some unoptimized computers (optimize your kernel better next time, or what it is he says).

I think scratch is blaming caesar and co. and saying that the spike was their own fault.

Just a thought, of course


I agree with Allan - as in he is saying it doesn't mean anything, but may (long stretch here) be hinting at that theres a fix..

Or, he's a 14/15yo hacker kiddie that is flexing his muscle as a power move against caesar - possibly saying one of the following:
1) he has more skills etc
2) that he couldn't be touched
3) [toss in a random ego trip]..
4) pointing out the weakness in the 'leader'


As for my personal translation..
we coulda taken that stack too - I don't know what he's refering to, but it could either be as in gambling (money assets) or he could be referering to the 'stack' as in the layout of memory in a program.

if Mr. Moral Cooties over here hadn't twinked on us
this stuff is nada, zip, etc. - wussed out (nicest way I can think of saying it)

optimize your kernal better next time
so you don't have the problem - Either scratch wasn't in the 'blast radius' or, some how he is immune to the exploit/whomp/etc through some sort of modification of his system. (spec)

I think I do better and slang and jargon, my '15yo elite hacker' is a bit rusty =)

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 		on the drill piccy it looks like some letters is Scratched into the drill but aren't sure

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 		spikes and paranormal happenings
the spikes and paranormal happenings that falls together could tell that the servers people are watching are running the matrix and that it is just a story builtup and not really a clue to anything. remember that neo started out as a hacker searching for the truth like these guys Question
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monk wrote:
on a serious note, anyone think that the "this stuff is Nada,Zip. Etc." from unjust.mic.swf might point to a file on a *nix directory? (/etc/nada.zip)


or "zilch", being the third word in the usual sequence, where etc is hinting.

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