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RiddleMeThis
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 		Seth
Countless times over Marble Hornet's duration I've always seen people speculating about Tim, Alex, and Brian for ToTheArk's identity. Now some people say it was both Tim and Brian. And while I'm not here to tell you why I think Seth should be a candidate, I am saying that Seth is hardly ever talked about, even though he might just be one of the most important characters.

Seth was the cameraman for Marble Hornets. This implies quite a few things; first is that he had access to every tape made prior to Jay's investigation with the exception of Alex's personal home tapes. It's not hard to believe that Seth wandered off with a few tapes without Alex realizing. The second implication here is that Seth would have noticed the Operator as well as the video glitches that accompany him. If Jay could see it, I'm sure Seth spotted this right away. This was a student film and while the actors weren't professional (sorry Tim), the people behind the scenes for student films are often fellow film students. If anything, Seth has advanced knowledge of video editing. Advanced like the ones we see in ToTheArk videos.

Alex mentions that Seth is gone. Why do we immediately write out the possibility of him being alive? He also said Brian was gone. It is not hard to believe that Tim, Brian, and Seth all worked together to take Alex down, even if Operator mind-wipings prevent them from remembering.

I'm not trying to say Seth is ToTheArk, but I think he's a part of it. I'm just trying to ask why there hasn't been more discussion on Seth's part? I see people all the time crying about Sarah or Amy, but hardly anything on Seth.

tl;dr

1. Seth had access to early Marble Hornets tape that have the Operator
2. Seth most likely had access to superior video editing software
3. He may also have been the first person to notice the Operator distorting videos
4. If this is the case, Seth would be the first person to look into the tapes making him the first to start investigating

PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:26 pm
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Dacad
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 		First off, those are some excellent observations. I have also been a little curious as to what Seth knew, and when he knew. Of course, if Seth, Sarah, and Amy died offscreen, I guess we'll never know their fates.

That being said, back when it wasn't official that Hoody was Brian, some people speculated it was Seth based on the points you brought up.

As for why Seth isn't mentioned much, he wasn't actually in the original draft. The actor, Seth McCay, was the boyfriend of Sarah's actor, so they threw the character in. Hope that helps.

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420Goku
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 		I'd be willing to believe Seth was supposed to be a part of TTA in season 1, because I've seen a fair amount of good evidence pointing to that. But all that evidence is just from season 1, so unless a new video is posted that entails Seth possibly being in TTA my headcanon has him as basically just a minor character.

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RiddleMeThis
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 		It does help a bit to know he was thrown in there. If that's the case, then there really isn't any way he's meaningful to the story, which is unfortunate because frankly: he knows. He had to have known about the Operator before he was killed, and I kinda refuse to believe that people who die offscreen really die. Entry 87, to me, reassured me that not everyone taken is deceased.

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 		This... really makes sense. Is it possible that Masky could've taken some of the tapes before or after Seth was taken? This would explain the "Exit" video.

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 		I'm pretty new and I've seen Seth brought up a couple times as TTA, but I barely remembered him so I didn't know why. But if he was the camera man then it does make sense.
Then again, Alex seemed to do a lot of filming himself, so who knows how much Seth had access to.

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lonsumtravlr
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 		Re: Seth
RiddleMeThis wrote:
Countless times over Marble Hornet's duration I've always seen people speculating about Tim, Alex, and Brian for ToTheArk's identity. Now some people say it was both Tim and Brian. And while I'm not here to tell you why I think Seth should be a candidate, I am saying that Seth is hardly ever talked about, even though he might just be one of the most important characters.

Seth was the cameraman for Marble Hornets. This implies quite a few things; first is that he had access to every tape made prior to Jay's investigation with the exception of Alex's personal home tapes. It's not hard to believe that Seth wandered off with a few tapes without Alex realizing. The second implication here is that Seth would have noticed the Operator as well as the video glitches that accompany him. If Jay could see it, I'm sure Seth spotted this right away. This was a student film and while the actors weren't professional (sorry Tim), the people behind the scenes for student films are often fellow film students. If anything, Seth has advanced knowledge of video editing. Advanced like the ones we see in ToTheArk videos.

Alex mentions that Seth is gone. Why do we immediately write out the possibility of him being alive? He also said Brian was gone. It is not hard to believe that Tim, Brian, and Seth all worked together to take Alex down, even if Operator mind-wipings prevent them from remembering.

I'm not trying to say Seth is ToTheArk, but I think he's a part of it. I'm just trying to ask why there hasn't been more discussion on Seth's part? I see people all the time crying about Sarah or Amy, but hardly anything on Seth.

tl;dr

1. Seth had access to early Marble Hornets tape that have the Operator
2. Seth most likely had access to superior video editing software
3. He may also have been the first person to notice the Operator distorting videos
4. If this is the case, Seth would be the first person to look into the tapes making him the first to start investigating


Some of this has been speculated on before, but it's good that you put this in one topic thread. My theory on this (which doesn't have much hard factual basis given what we've seen) is that Seth may have in fact noticed something earlier on, his bringing to Alex's attention the presence of the entity that was stalking him (as if he's about to reveal a cover-up or a solution to the mystery) may have been what helped to push Alex over the edge, and that somehow Brian finding out about Seth being taken (the night before Brian showed up at the hospital, apparently; maybe Brian was taken to the Oppy World after the events of Entry #51, saw Seth's body, found out about the tapes when he was teleported back, and snapped himself?), and then Brian ended up as Hoody/TTA and Tim developed his Masky persona (if he hadn't developed it already). I can't prove it, but it's not the wildest speculation on Unforum.

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lonsumtravlr
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Vesryn wrote:
I'm pretty new and I've seen Seth brought up a couple times as TTA, but I barely remembered him so I didn't know why. But if he was the camera man then it does make sense.
Then again, Alex seemed to do a lot of filming himself, so who knows how much Seth had access to.


He did, yeah, of his own daily life. But Seth had access to the raw footage from the filming.

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Geneaux486
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 		Yeah, Seth probably did notice the Operator the same way Alex did when going through the tapes. I think that's why the two of them were seen investigating the boiler-room together in season 1. That said, if we were meant to believe that he lived past that encounter, the show would have made that known at some point.

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RiddleMeThis
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 		Personally, if you wont believe that Seth had a part in ToTheArk (which again, I think is a joint effort by every member of Marble Hornets, possibly even Jay, then I think this is the best we can agree on: Seth knew about the Operator and brought it up to Alex which led to them investigating the house in season 1. Seth may have been taken, but I'm not sure it was entirely Alex's fault in this scenario. I don't fully believe Alex was evil back then, just paranoid. I just find Seth's disappearance an unfortunate missed opportunity for THAC.

I doubt we'll ever get answers on Seth, but there isn't a lot of 'out there' speculations about them; they all make logical sense. Knowing the detail that they have put into this series, I don't think it's too wild to assume Seth was also a film student which is really what ties this all together. I mean, if Jay was a film student, it would follow that Seth was most likely one as well. The reason that Alex and Jay didn't know him very well is just because he was another random film student.

Another thing, people often ask how ToTheArk hacked Jay's account? Considering the account is 'Marble Hornets' and not 'Jay has a camera' or something to that effect, I'd wager the account wasn't Jay's to begin with. It is possible that Seth also had access to this account along with Alex.

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 		I have to agree that Seth's character had wasted potential. It would've made the most sense seeing as how he was both a cameraman and an editor of the film, as many of you have brought up.

It just would've been really interesting to see how both Alex and Seth reacted to seeing the operator on the footage and what they would've done about it early on.

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McGregor wrote:
I have to agree that Seth's character had wasted potential. It would've made the most sense seeing as how he was both a cameraman and an editor of the film, as many of you have brought up.

It just would've been really interesting to see how both Alex and Seth reacted to seeing the operator on the footage and what they would've done about it early on.


"Wasted potential" is the perfect way to put it. I don't agree that he'd make the most sense as TTA, but had just a little more been shown in Season Three about what he may have found out in viewing the Marble Hornets footage...

I like Brian as TTA given his friendship with Tim before Brian became Hoody and the isolation versus friendship theme that seems, if erratically at times, to be pretty important to the series. But they could have used Seth a bit more and fleshed some things out. (Either that or had the Hoody reveal just a bit earlier AND shown Seth's corpse in Oppy Land too.)

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SonicN2O
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 		Yeah, the most plausible thing is that Seth had a similar fate to skully, being that it was a season 1 idea that got scrapped in preproduction for season 2.

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lonsumtravlr
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RiddleMeThis wrote:
Personally, if you wont believe that Seth had a part in ToTheArk (which again, I think is a joint effort by every member of Marble Hornets, possibly even Jay, then I think this is the best we can agree on: Seth knew about the Operator and brought it up to Alex which led to them investigating the house in season 1. Seth may have been taken, but I'm not sure it was entirely Alex's fault in this scenario. I don't fully believe Alex was evil back then, just paranoid. I just find Seth's disappearance an unfortunate missed opportunity for THAC.

I doubt we'll ever get answers on Seth, but there isn't a lot of 'out there' speculations about them; they all make logical sense. Knowing the detail that they have put into this series, I don't think it's too wild to assume Seth was also a film student which is really what ties this all together. I mean, if Jay was a film student, it would follow that Seth was most likely one as well. The reason that Alex and Jay didn't know him very well is just because he was another random film student.

Another thing, people often ask how ToTheArk hacked Jay's account? Considering the account is 'Marble Hornets' and not 'Jay has a camera' or something to that effect, I'd wager the account wasn't Jay's to begin with. It is possible that Seth also had access to this account along with Alex.


I think it's highly likely that Seth knew something about The Operator. At the very least, given both Alex's obvious concern with "containing" TO and TO's attachment to cameras, he makes an obvious choice for someone Alex would have to get rid of pretty early.

As for the twitter feed--Jay created the account because of the popularity of his early entries. He says this much pretty early.

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lonsumtravlr
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SonicN2O wrote:
Yeah, the most plausible thing is that Seth had a similar fate to skully, being that it was a season 1 idea that got scrapped in preproduction for season 2.


But they brought him back... so that's what makes his misuse so aggravating.

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