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RUSTY1996
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Clues Within Clues
Are We Missing Something???

I have recently noticed that we have been jumping to conclusions and trying to guess the overall prize.
Scholastic has invested a lot of money into this project, so much in fact, that I doubt we will be able to guess the ending only 2 books into the series with 8 more to come.
I also recall someone mentioning the prize being friendship or unity and if thats the case there will be riots, who wants to spend 100s of dollars on books and cards to have a lame ending like that.
Please use this forum to talk about things others may not have noticed!!!
Rusty Very Happy

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:58 am

Ekatprof
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Re: Clues Within Clues
Are We Missing Something???

RUSTY1996 wrote:

Right now, that's all we can think of. So if you have a better theory, please post it so we all can comment on it. For now, the only ending we can think of is the unity or maybe an elixir of life or even tons of cash.

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:03 am

RUSTY1996
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I agree with you on the money or elixir ideas but the unity one still sounds a bit to corny.
My idea is that the prize will be knowledge, as Amy and Dan are learning things along the way, as are all the readers.
I'm sorry if i came across rudely earlier on!!!
Rusty Very Happy

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 7:49 pm

Ekatprof
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RUSTY1996 wrote:

Got a point there. Thing is, how will the knowledge Amy and Dan are learning help them "conquer" or "rule" the world?

Posted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:22 pm

aliceinwunderland
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Re: Clues Within Clues
Are We Missing Something???

RUSTY1996 wrote:

I have recently noticed that we have been jumping to conclusions and trying to guess the overall prize.

This is not new. Every time we get a new clue, we try to put the pieces together to figure out what it might be.

RUSTY1996 wrote:

Scholastic has invested a lot of money into this project, so much in fact, that I doubt we will be able to guess the ending only 2 books into the series with 8 more to come.

Yep, other ppl have said that, but why should that stop us from theorizing?

RUSTY1996 wrote:

I also recall someone mentioning the prize being friendship or unity and if that's the case there will be riots, who wants to spend 100s of dollars on books and cards to have a lame ending like that.
Please use this forum to talk about things others may not have noticed!!!

I am not sure what you mean. How is this thread different from say the one that Hunter6 created to discuss "Theories of clues how they are connected"? I am confused about your thread subject "clues within clues". What do you mean about that?

BTW, welcome back! Where have you been?

Posted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 10:26 am

RUSTY1996
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Clues within clues

Glad to be back!!!
By clues within clues, I'm talking about how maybe we are reading and seeing things that are there but we are missing!!!
I believe someone may have already mentioned this but the title 1 False Note could actually mean Amy and Dan have followed the wrong leads.
Maybe, the clues have been in front of them the whole time.
What I'm suggesting is that we should begin thinking of places were the 4 cahill branches would be most likely to hide their clues.
Between all of us, I think we could make quite a good list!!!
Rusty

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 2:04 am

aliceinwunderland
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Re: Clues within clues

RUSTY1996 wrote:

I believe someone may have already mentioned this but the title 1 False Note could actually mean Amy and Dan have followed the wrong leads.

I don't think that has been previously theorized. If it has, I somehow missed it. I'd like here more about how you think this might apply to OFN. We know that A&D found the clue hidden in the Di Racco Mansion. I am convinced that there is another clue in Vienna. If you look at Grace's travel journal, I think that she is saying something about Mozart's original grave.

Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:57 am

Maggie
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Grace has already found all the clues or she had William McIntyre plant them to be found.

Cahill Website wrote:

Alistair Oh's Report on Grace's Funeral

As we all suspected, my crafty cousin had been hiding a great secret from us. She has arranged a competition to find the 39 Clues. At first I found this rather silly. After all, we Ekats have been hunting for the Clues for centuries. The competition has never ceased! However, I think there's more to this game than we can see. This is no wild goose chase. I suspect that Grace laid a path for us to follow. Is there a chance she actually located all 39 Clues before her death?

Cahill Website wrote:

Heinrich Heinrichson's Report

Paris

I think I spotted him looking at me a few times on the plane, even though I had changed my disguise a third time so that I looked like a normal tourist. When the plane landed in Paris, I followed him to a caf� where he met with a woman in a red dress. Then he went to some tourist spots around Montparnasse, including the entrance to the Catacombs. I thought about following him, but I was worried about blowing my cover. He was down there about 45 minutes.

Afterward, he "snuck" into the Lucian stronghold in Passy. I was surprised by this because if he got caught, they would hurt him real bad. I think maybe he has some deal with them. Why else would he risk it?

When he came out, he went straight to his hotel. He only went out to meet the woman in the red dress for dinner, then came back to the hotel alone. He returned to Attleboro the next day.

I didn't see anything interesting, but I know he and Grace are up to something. You don't carry a suitcase filled with cash on an international flight for nothing. I think we should send extra field agents to Paris in case Grace tries anything funny.

This got me thinking: if this is about the Elixir of Life, and Grace knew where all the clues were, why is she dead because I can't see her being brought back from the dead as this is a children's book.

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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:26 pm
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gojanus
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Gold-I think I'm onto something!
Could it be?

Okay, if you have the Grimm Tales secret card you'll know that Cahills were trying to discourage people from trying to turn things to gold. The clues mostly seem to be elements. Maybe the grand prize has somtheing to do with gold and alchemistry. Just a thought

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:06 pm

Wind Lane
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Re: Gold-I think I'm onto something!
Could it be?

gojanus wrote:

This got me thinking about how many natural chemical compounds Alchemists thought of as elemental. So I looked for a link between alchemy and venom. Here's what I've got:

From Alchemy By Arthur Edward Waite

Quote:

...added to the water, until the whole becomes water. But fools, hearing of water, think that this is water of the clouds. Had they read our books they would know that it is permanent water, which cannot become permanent without its companion, wherewith it is made one. But this is the water which the Philosophers have called Water of Gold, the Igneous, Good Venom, and that Sand of Many Names which Hermes ordered to be washed frequently, so that the blackness of the Sun might be removed, which he introduced in the solution of the body. And know, all ye seekers after this Art, that unless ye take this pure body, that is, our copper without the spirit, ye will by no means ses what ye desire, because no foreign thing enters therein, nor does anything enter unless it be pure. Therefore, all ye seekers after this Art, dismiss the multitude of obscure names, for the nature is one water...

I've highlighted a couple words that popped out as I read this. Also, from the sound of it, this is talking about the water or elixir of life supposedly created from the Philosopher's Stone.

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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:33 pm

Sherlock_39
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Maggie wrote:

Grace has already found all the clues or she had William McIntyre plant them to be found.

Cahill Website wrote:

Maybe she knew she wasn't the one to be immortal but that it was Amy and Dan's destiny.

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:22 pm

gojanus
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Elixir of Life

If it is about the Elixir of life, wouldn't someone have assembled something by now after all these years and still be alive?

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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:05 pm

Ekatprof
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Re: Gold-I think I'm onto something!
Could it be?

Wind Lane wrote:

gojanus wrote:

Quote:

I've highlighted a couple words that popped out as I read this. Also, from the sound of it, this is talking about the water or elixir of life supposedly created from the Philosopher's Stone.

I'm starting to agree with you on the elixir theory. Just like RUSTY1996 said, unity is a lame ending and an elixir of life sounds more "interesting" and connects more with the sixth clue.

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:46 am

Ekatprof
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Re: Elixir of Life

gojanus wrote:

If it is about the Elixir of life, wouldn't someone have assembled something by now after all these years and still be alive?

You have to remember that the secret of the Cahill's power was LOST. If the elixir theory is true, the four original founders might have been immortal until they lost it because they were fighting each other.

Moreover, the clues were being stolen and hidden from one another so the 39 clues couldnt really be "assembled" together if no one had all 39 clues in the first place.

P.S: For the record, we dont just think we are smart. We ARE smart and we invent cool stuff. Btw, we Ekats dont just do math you know.

Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 9:51 am

gojanus
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Re: Elixir of Life

Ekatprof wrote:

gojanus wrote:

If it is about the Elixir of life, wouldn't someone have assembled something by now after all these years and still be alive?

Yeah that was a stupid signature, it made me look really dumb, new one's not much better.

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Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:30 am

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