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Ristar
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About the plot on the series...

Been wondering, one of the main problems i have with the series is that they really like to build up this massive confrontations or stories and when they reach their climax:

*POOF*

Something else happens and we are left with a shitload of unanswered questions while they move to something else.

The closest example i got now is all the entries on S3 where they build up to a Hoody VS. Alex confrontation, they have try to kill eachother, they are chasing eachother, and finally when Hoody drops into that tunnel and Alex follows i really felt like we were going to have an amazing outcome and then we are left with another TTA video and wondering what the hell happened. And now we got (Shall i call them: The Amy tapes or missing S1 footage) all this tapes and we are going to have to wait months between entries.

I think this also happened back in S2 when everyone was concerned about Jessica, and when we reach the end of S2 we get almost nothing and we start watching through Tim's tapes.

I cant think of better examples, and i was going to post all this on the #70 discussion but i thought a new thread would be better. I don't know if any of you agrees with this or i'm just rambling...

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Lithp
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I didn't expect those things to go anywhere. Generally, when one arc ends, a new arc begins.

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Ristar
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Lithp wrote:
I didn't expect those things to go anywhere. Generally, when one arc ends, a new arc begins.


That's the problem, it didn't end. We are on S3 already, wich is the ''last season'' acording to Troy, and we are still left with stuff like ''Where is Jessica'', ''Who is TTA'', ''What happened to Alex''

I just fear that they try to do something stupid like giving us an entry that says at the end ''Oh btw, Alex and Hoody died on that tunnel and the old lady was TTA, have a good day''

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Lithp
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The Hotel Arc ended when Jessica went missing. I did not expect them to find her immediately, as her going missing was the consequence of the Hotel Arc.

The Alex's Birthday Thing Arc concluded with Hoody fleeing Alex, saying that he won't find him, & Alex pursuing. I was not expecting to see an aftermath to that.

I would say that we are now in a Who Is Hoody or What Does Alex Want Arc, & so we should be seeing a resolution to one of those soonish.

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Magyk wrote:


I never watched this, just got told that it has a messy plotline

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I think the major thing with Marble Hornets is how they did season one. For season one they just came up with a bunch of ideas, things that sounded neat, and did them as Entries, with no thought for a longer story, for a cohesive story, because they weren't planning on anything beyond the Alex Kralie tapes.

It was when season one ended, and during that hiatus, that Joseph and Troy realized that what they had started was becoming popular, and that they should continue the story. This required them to look over all that stuff they had done in season one and try to make it tie into a cohesive stories. Dealing with season one stuff is proving a major problem for them with resolving the story now in season three.

TL;DR: Season one was not written and filmed with a long-term story in mind. Now that they are working on a story, that's getting in the way.
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I do agree though about a lot of build-up and no payoff. In the simplest of terms, we're getting a lot of false-climaxes where they build to a specific happening, then skip over it a bit or change it. The last big payoff was 60, when we got the Operator chase. Which in and of itself was a build up to the somewhat disappointing 60.5 where we get mostly redacted medical records that tell us nearly nothing new. I think that the problem here is that Troy, Joseph and Tim are able to whip people into a frenzy, and when everything comes to a head, they have difficulty delivering on a decent homerun hit. The series as a whole isn't bad, but they should pace it a little better with a reason to fall off into these lulls rather than "build build build lull lull lull build" It's pretty much like the sneeze that never comes.

I've likened it to techno music, and how they build up, and sometimes fall off that build up. It's pretty cool. But occasionally, you have to go all out and let the build up come to its natural conclusion.

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Oh, I agree that they often fail to deliver on buildup. But things like Jessica going missing, that IS a climax.

An example of a failed buildup is the Hoody Hut. Nothing really came out of that. This is where I'd expect someone to go, "NU-UH TIM + JAY TEAMED UP!" Thing is, you can do that without introducing us to a new location that the protagonists are going to proceed to ignore until it's too late, & making it blatantly obvious that ToTheArk isn't an active threat, thus removing one of the few sources of tension.

To let you in on a secret, Trosephim are, in fact, amateurs. They have talent, but this is the first major piece of writing they've done that I'm aware of, & they've said it's their first horror series. Even if they were professional, professional writers often flop. So I'm not sure where people get this idea that we should never ever question them, & if we just wait it out, everything will turn out perfectly in the end.

I am cautiously optimistic that Marble Hornets will have a good ending. But, to face the facts, it might not.

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rand__althor wrote:
I think the major thing with Marble Hornets is how they did season one. For season one they just came up with a bunch of ideas, things that sounded neat, and did them as Entries, with no thought for a longer story, for a cohesive story, because they weren't planning on anything beyond the Alex Kralie tapes.

It was when season one ended, and during that hiatus, that Joseph and Troy realized that what they had started was becoming popular, and that they should continue the story. This required them to look over all that stuff they had done in season one and try to make it tie into a cohesive stories. Dealing with season one stuff is proving a major problem for them with resolving the story now in season three.


This.

Season 3 just feels like a bunch of scenes they had ideas for thrown together without any in depth planning of the whole season beforehand. We've been to the hospital so many times, but all we ever got out of those visits was a set of medical records that let us know that Tim had this problem way before 2006, and a few operator encounters that weren't all THAT crazy. People got beat down in there, stalked in there, but nothing has really happened that had me going "oh man that was huge." And I think the reasoning behind that is that the main villain in the series has not shown any signs of altering his behavior from season 1. He appears, causes distortion, and either freezes the camera so we can't see anything else, or teleports a person away with him. This is what we constantly expect, and when we expect something, it's not as scary. I also think one of the problems was a lack of shooting locations to use, but I would be just as happy seeing a "house" entry than going back to that damn hospital again lol


I just personally think season 2 was written a lot better. The scenarios were more interesting and diverse. We are running into a problem now where nothing is getting answered and more questions are getting raised, and (from a viewers standpoint) seems like they're stalling for all the big reveals near the end (if we get them at all). Lost-syndrome. If in the end these answers aren't as crazy as we expect them to be, there is going to be a lot of backlash when it comes time to analytically review the entire series. What's going to happen when they want to make this movie, only to find out nobody is really interested in it, or telling their friends who may be interested not to bother, because of things like consistent huge buildups to small reveals. I think entry 52 had done the best job of building up to a huge reveal. The best way to tell a story is not to save all your reveals to keep people watching, it's to sprinkle them here and there and BUILD off of them.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think all of season 3 was that bad. Entry 65 was one of the best entries in the series. I love the series and think the trio are super talented at this film making business. I just think they need to look at these criticisms and realize that once the last entry is out, they can't go back and edit the old ones to make them better. At this point I'd safely say I've enjoyed most of the TTA responses this season more than the actual entries, and that's kind of weird to think about.

They're not idiots. They have been working on this for almost 4 years and obviously are working their hardest, and for that I give a genuine thank you to them. However, if they butcher the rest of the series by not addressing common complaints than their movie will tank.

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What movie are you referring to? Are you referring to the Marble Hornets series as a movie? Or the actual movie movie that's in the works. If it's the second thing then nothings really been said HOW involved Trosephim are going to be in it's production. For all we know it could be a box office hit.

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From an optimist's point of view, I feel that with all the building up - but not completion - of these various arcs, they're essentially building all the pillars of a bridge without yet building the bridge itself (i.e., the horizontal part that you actually walk on), which will be saved for last.

For example, these are all "pillars":

- Tim and his history at the hospital
- The importance of the tunnel
- What happened to Jessica
- How Amy ties into all of this
- The Hoody hut and TTA's supposed ability to "hypnotize" Jay/cause him to sleepwalk.
- etc.

We know some stuff about all of these things, but not exactly what or why. And I honestly believe that most of the answers to these things directly relate to one another, thus forming sort-of a bridge and it'll all make sense. imo, the three have done a good job and reviving a lot of old plot points this season. Some of them may seem "dropped" because they haven't been acknowledged in the last few entries, but honestly, if they've been mentioned this season than it's a good bet they plan on answering it. This is the final season so they have an end game in mind.

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Foood wrote:
From an optimist's point of view, I feel that with all the building up - but not completion - of these various arcs, they're essentially building all the pillars of a bridge without yet building the bridge itself (i.e., the horizontal part that you actually walk on), which will be saved for last.

For example, these are all "pillars":

- Tim and his history at the hospital
- The importance of the tunnel
- What happened to Jessica
- How Amy ties into all of this
- The Hoody hut and TTA's supposed ability to "hypnotize" Jay/cause him to sleepwalk.
- etc.

We know some stuff about all of these things, but not exactly what or why. And I honestly believe that most of the answers to these things directly relate to one another, thus forming sort-of a bridge and it'll all make sense. imo, the three have done a good job and reviving a lot of old plot points this season. Some of them may seem "dropped" because they haven't been acknowledged in the last few entries, but honestly, if they've been mentioned this season than it's a good bet they plan on answering it. This is the final season so they have an end game in mind.


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Think about the latest entry....

All it did was open up more questions. Seriously. That is all it did.

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wassupbro wrote:
Think about the latest entry....

All it did was open up more questions. Seriously. That is all it did.


I don't think it open up any questions. In fact, it might've answered the question of why Jay was considered "gone" by Alex in that late season 1 episode. It originally seemed like Alex just brought him to that abandon hospital like Tim and Brian, but this entry is a solution to that.

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