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[META/Discussion] What the PMs do wrong
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Soulmech
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kolixela wrote:
Soulmech wrote:
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Show me a forum where you can find the actress information for an online campaign.

I agree they are not the same, but that doesn't change the fact that people who want to know will look until they find out.

Of course people will want to know. It still doesn't give them the right to snoop around through people's personal sites to find it out.


The same as playing a game does not give the PM the right to go snooping into the players personal information and post it to the general populous.

We already went over that.

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Soulmech wrote:
kolixela wrote:
Soulmech wrote:
kolixela wrote:

Show me a forum where you can find the actress information for an online campaign.

I agree they are not the same, but that doesn't change the fact that people who want to know will look until they find out.

Of course people will want to know. It still doesn't give them the right to snoop around through people's personal sites to find it out.


The same as playing a game does not give the PM the right to go snooping into the players personal information and post it to the general populous.

We already went over that.


Yeah do we really have to go through this argument YET AGAIN?

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kolixela
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kadomony wrote:
dissentience wrote:
1. Patrick's Flickr account is public, Googling his name will bring it up.

2. Googling She Stirs brought up Patrick's name, I wouldn't say that's much effort.


consider what had to be done to get his name in the first place.
various whoises, following different site sources vs clicking a couple links on a forum


Actually, the link to she stirs was in the flash file on the main site. The additional searching just verified what the she stirs information gave.

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dissentience
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kadomony wrote:
dissentience wrote:
1. Patrick's Flickr account is public, Googling his name will bring it up.

2. Googling She Stirs brought up Patrick's name, I wouldn't say that's much effort.


consider what had to be done to get his name in the first place.
various whoises, following different site sources vs clicking a couple links on a forum


Wrong. But you can keep thinking that if you'd like.

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Obfuscatus
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Colvin wrote:
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take it down a notch dude

Sorry. Just really frustrated that everyone's so focused on meta stuff and bashing the PMs when none of that's not important.


TBH I am too, to a degree at least. (Even though that's technically what this thread is for.) Just didn't want to see things get derailed again by people being angry at each other.

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AUZ505
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 		Something different
Trying to start another kind of META discussion.

Even though the PM obviously did a lot of things wrong (in my and several other people) it seems he does at least one thing excellent:
Bringing a huge amount of people into this game. I have seen a lot of excellent ARGs with a small active player base of 5 or even less players and some lurkers.
Now here we have a ARG with almost no game play at all, nothing to do, no puzzles and almost no background story. So why are so many people trying to find clues and playing a game which at the moment has no (traditional) game elements?

There could be different possibilities, of course:
- The high quality content that has been presented at the begining and people hoping to get more.
- The way the PM contacted several boards and communities.
- The missing line between OOG and IG.
- People wanting to know what is really behind it (but this would not explain the huge number of posts from people that really wants to "play")
- and even if I would not like it: it could be that people are not pushed away by all the insulting/flaming but instead are attracted to it.
....

I guess it could be important to understand the mechanism. This could influence the future of this genre.
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Eriatarkka
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 		Well, this is my first ARG and what made me into it was the creepiness of it, I didnt know about ARGs when I saw all those cool websites, so I was like "what the f*** is all this?, is this real?", and progressively got into it.

Is this the biggest ARG ever?

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Is this the biggest ARG ever?


No. Not even close. Smile
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 		For what it's worth, the Cloudmakers list is fairly small by today's standards for transmedia/viral/ARG stuff. Metacortechs (click the FAQ at the link to see some basic stats) was arguably a bit bigger, but comparing list sign-ups and unique IPs with the Yahoo!Group membership total is a little apples to oranges, so I couldn't say for sure.

I am not at liberty to give actual numbers for The Dark Knight/Why So Serious, but you can google around and find some post-mortem/interview estimates - it was pretty danged big. Year Zero was also crazy big.

With Junko Junsui, the drama happened so quickly that it's difficult for me to distinguish between any actual draw of the experience and, say, the kind of intrigue that brings people to spend hours at Encyclopedia Dramatica or Journalfen's fandom_wank. Y'know?

Some of the content does look pretty cool, even if the interaction style and completely abstract conspiracy model leaves me cold. (sorry! it does.)
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Syncopal
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 		Re: Something different
AUZ505 wrote:
Trying to start another kind of META discussion.

Even though the PM obviously did a lot of things wrong (in my and several other people) it seems he does at least one thing excellent:
Bringing a huge amount of people into this game. I have seen a lot of excellent ARGs with a small active player base of 5 or even less players and some lurkers.
Now here we have a ARG with almost no game play at all, nothing to do, no puzzles and almost no background story. So why are so many people trying to find clues and playing a game which at the moment has no (traditional) game elements?

There could be different possibilities, of course:
- The high quality content that has been presented at the begining and people hoping to get more.
- The way the PM contacted several boards and communities.
- The missing line between OOG and IG.
- People wanting to know what is really behind it (but this would not explain the huge number of posts from people that really wants to "play")
- and even if I would not like it: it could be that people are not pushed away by all the insulting/flaming but instead are attracted to it.
....

I guess it could be important to understand the mechanism. This could influence the future of this genre.


It's a little of all of the above IMO... the one thing I think that I see is that there are a lot of people who have never played or heard of an ARG who were just like WTF? and tuned in to see what was going on... Thats gotta be from putting it out there to other areas, boards and such

I saw a quote on JJ's Fb saying "What? there really isn't a girl in a prison in Russia?" and I honestly think they thought it was real...

On that thought I also gotta add in the fact that the guys from 2chan over in Russia had never heard of ARG'S before this and have jumped on board and are really excited about upcoming ones as well...

And on a personal note.. there really isn't anything better to watch than a flame war between heavyweights... people who can back up what they bring to the table... trouting myself here but that is what has kept my attention... not to mention the fact that I STILL am not sure if this IS a game.

I also think a lot of the 'interest' is part of the disinformation campaign the PM's seem to be embarking on... only because a lot of that 'interest' is being posted here by guests...

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krystyn wrote:
For what it's worth, the Cloudmakers list is fairly small by today's standards for transmedia/viral/ARG stuff. Metacortechs (click the FAQ at the link to see some basic stats) was arguably a bit bigger, but comparing list sign-ups and unique IPs with the Yahoo!Group membership total is a little apples to oranges, so I couldn't say for sure.

I am not at liberty to give actual numbers for The Dark Knight/Why So Serious, but you can google around and find some post-mortem/interview estimates - it was pretty danged big. Year Zero was also crazy big.

With Junko Junsui, the drama happened so quickly that it's difficult for me to distinguish between any actual draw of the experience and, say, the kind of intrigue that brings people to spend hours at Encyclopedia Dramatica or Journalfen's fandom_wank. Y'know?

Some of the content does look pretty cool, even if the interaction style and completely abstract conspiracy model leaves me cold. (sorry! it does.)


I haven't played any of the above, so you know better than I do. I simply chose to point out the one called "The Beast" for obvious reasons. Razz
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 		Year Zero was so big, with so many factions competing to uncover clues that the info almost moved too fast for me. However, the content was so well done and not spoon-fed to people that it was fun to keep track of developments on the wiki sites.

This game? It would be awesome if there were even a small thread of method to the madness, but I'm not seeing it. Year Zero had the advantage of their own musical content with messages hidden within it, but here we're relying on music and music video that's already been out there. It makes it tough to figure out what the PM is trying to say with them. I do, however, like the original junko video content we've gotten so far, even if I have no idea what it means. Rolling Eyes

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 		As someone from 4chan, I felt compelled to tell them NYPA[Not Your Personal Army] when I saw calls to attack websites and crap, and from what I can gather, the rest of 4chan could give a fuck less as well.

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LulzAnon wrote:
As someone from 4chan, I felt compelled to tell them NYPA[Not Your Personal Army] when I saw calls to attack websites and crap, and from what I can gather, the rest of 4chan could give a fuck less as well.


On behalf of uF regulars, "Thank you." Cool
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 		srry 4 my ignorance...i'm not an english native....

what is PM?
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