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Abraxas
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[PUZZLE] Logo
Red Script characters within three colored circles

the logo

All of us in contact with Eve (ThatEve Razz ) received this logo along with this email

Quote:

Ok I found this in Eve's bag. I think Blue suggested that I send you an "MS Paint" version. Well, I was going to wait until I could take a photo of it, but Eve is getting better. I guess the doc knew what he was doing. Anyway, I don't want to wait in case she gets too well for me to sneak into her bag. Well this one has some funny writing on it, but the logo is the same circle thingy as the symbol on the lab coat.

This one has three colours, but the lab coat one was obviously only in red (ie from the blood).

By the way, I don't know about your reality, but in mine, MicroSoft went bankrupt when Tesla Electrical merged with Domain for Office two years ago. Nobody uses Microsoft anymore. I mean, I have a windows emulator on my TE 125 running Domain Operating System 5, but really, nobody uses MS Paint. So I'm sending it in pdf format rather than the usual tep graphics format in case you don't have it.

I hope you can make something out of it, 'cause I can't!

--
Eve T Philomels

Administrator
Information Technology Services
Evandale North Outer-Urban General Hospital


Laughing

General description

Three circles. A big green one in the center. Two smaller ones, a red one on the left and a blue one on the right. The two smaller circles intersect with the bigger one. Looks like a Venn diagram according to Eve.
Colors may not be important since the one on Rhea Soutaine was drawn entirely with her blood.

16 characters of the Language (the "real" one in red script).
red script alphabet
7 unique characters.
2 characters each inside only the red or the blue circle. 8 characters inside the green circle. 2 characters each inside both the red and the green circle or inside both the blue and red circle.
In total each, 10 characters in the green circle, 4 in the red circle and 4 in the blue circle.
Here is the format and preliminary translation
Code:

  dD
AdAAAE
DGdEFE
  AA

put d for DH to keep the spacing intact


For first ideas, I'm just going to copy over from the on-going thread:

Blue's first transcript of the characters on the logo
bluesylvia wrote:

So what I currently have for the sign is:
(x)D
S(x)SAAE
D(x)(x)EFE
SS


My transcript and further ramblings (no longer reflects the update)

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Note that we can identify letters A, D, E and F. Then there is one unfamiliar character. And that's it. It's four out of the six first characters. Possibly five.

Could be digits, maybe. If the Language uses 10 digits, it would make sense if the first five characters are used, once without, once with dot/dash. But the F ruins this pattern. It's possible, that one out of the first six characters is left out and the count correctly goes to five characters used. But it just seems like an impractical system to me. The alternative is a base 12 system. Laughing
Or a good explanation for leaving one out. Maybe a letter that can't be pronounced differently. But I think that applies to both B and F, doesn't it?

Next problem...is it without then with dot/dash one after another? Or first all without, then those with dot/dash?
I'd say alternating, those without dot/dash are even digits, those with dot/dash are odd digits.

And then what?
I would assume the logo spells TEDO. There are 16 characters. Four character would encode one letter. I have no idea how. I am probably very wrong about this.


Could represent the "uniting of worlds" that TEDO is talking about.

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bluesylvia
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Put little accent marks over some to show there is a slight difference.

All together:
dh d
a dh a á á é
d g dh é f é
a a

All in the red circle:
a dh
d g

All in the green circle:
dh a á á
g a é f
a a

All in the blue circle:
á é
f é

Confused

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Abraxas
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Ah, that must have been annoying to put all those accents. Dh and g, huh? Well, that digit theory seems to be shot, now...

Musical notes?

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Well unless we're assuming accents are sharps or flats it doesn't seem likely. It's too patternised to be musical notes. They seem to be set out in the way they are for a reason I think.

Maybe they're there to throw us off, maybe it's an invocation spell for a ritual (the ritual to pass between This & That?).

Maybe each character stands for something. If you notice, all the outer symbols are in pairs except for the westernmost two, anything in that? Was just trying to look for a pattern and that's all I came up with.

I think this is one is gonna have to wait til we can speak to a native speaker of the language, maybe the formation means something. Are there any surviving TEDO members? Anyone who went AWOL?

EDIT: Due to blue's recent contact with Eve, it has led me to suspect that the logo may house directions in some way, or possiblt co-ordinates but I wouldn't know how to read the seemingly random groups of letters in that way.

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Trying number substitution I get this using 0 for 10:
Code:

  65
161228
506898
  11


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Abraxas
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Wow, that was quick, I was about to quote you... Wink

Zephusdragon, there you go...the way to number it is right there in the alphabet! I thought about digits before, but I forgot that I should not be looking for the letters, but the unique symbols. *facepalm*

But if it's just about digits, you may want to number from 0 to 9.
Then we get
Code:

  54
050117
495787
  00


All I can think of right away is trying those positions in the alphabet in pairs. It's unlikely to design a puzzle like this, but here is one useless try down...first is with zephusdragon's digits, second with mine

Code:

LJIRBNCH
EDAKAGYA


Mine rolls of the tongue a little better, but...gibberish as expected. Neutral

Oh, hold on, it starts with 54 again...

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Ok, I am unable to input the coordinates. AAAAUUUZZ! Where are you?
Anyone?

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I am here Smile

Sorry no idea how to use those numbers. Do you think the circles have some signifance?
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Those are coordinates. 16 digits is a match, plus it starts with 54, again. Alright, I checked it out in GE, manually. If the second is E it's in the Labrador Sea. If it's W, it's in Russia.
Confused

Transcript error?

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So you think about this:
54°05'0.117'' 49°57'8.700''

So the circles are just distractions?

BTW: do we have a new chatroom? I am feeling quite lonely in #rabbitblack Wink
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Can't get around to installing mirc here while thinking about this and at the same time being bugged by a damn fly (punny!)...

I just can't provide Maps links. I can input the coordinates from a placemark. If I edit the coordinates to those above, it never works, although the syntax is fine...what the heck?

You are probably right about the circles having some significance.
Something about east and west being separate and north and south being together? Wow. If I can't get a simple set of coordinates to work this will be hell to work out...I don't think I can help with that.

But try to get some of the coordinates on the Isle of Man out of this, then see what can be done with the rest. The 54 is no coincidence, I bet.

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It just seems odd that they would use the letters instead of numbers, just seems too convoluted. I know I'm always saying 'maybe', 'what if..?' and 'I'm not so sure' but doesn't anyone else feel this would be more related to the clompass? We never figured out the reamining part of it did we? The cock face numbers? Maybe combining the logo and clompass somehow?

Sorry I'm great at giving you guys more work with my theories but not so much at actually solving, lol. But gimme a break, I'm new to this stuff!

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The clompass was completely solved except for what the height(?) means. The clockface was used for the N coordinate.

I think it's coordinates again, because how else will numbers help us find TEDO? Well, aside from a code.

54 is the first part of the N coordinate for the Isle of Man. 4 is the first part of the W coordinate. But there is no 04 in the pairs. Then again, I think a different notation not using pairs is possible, but I don't know if there is any that ends up on the Isle of Man. And that's all just assuming TEDO is on Isle of Man.

By the way, I totally lost track of which TEDO we are talking about...it's ThatTEDO, right?

I'm currently wondering why AUZ has the 3-digit at the end of each coordinate...I worked with all-pairs for each. As it's given on GE?

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Yeah, we're talking about ThatTEDO so don't be surprised if the coordinates end up in the ocean near the isle of man. I totally forgot the clompass stuff was all used, thanks for reminding me.

And considering OP saying the logo holds the location it must be either directions or coordinates. But what did Tylean mean but ThatTEDO's numbers are different to ThisTEDO's? As far as we know, ThisTEDO is no more besides ThisEve who seems to have ties to them, but does he mean the locations are different? The size of the organisation is different?

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jaeger138 wrote:
Yeah, we're talking about ThatTEDO so don't be surprised if the coordinates end up in the ocean near the isle of man. I totally forgot the clompass stuff was all used, thanks for reminding me.

Actually, that's an accurate description of what the decimal-only coordinates would give you if you write 4.957... instead of 49.57...
Underwater base. Hmm.

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And considering OP saying the logo holds the location it must be either directions or coordinates. But what did Tylean mean but ThatTEDO's numbers are different to ThisTEDO's? As far as we know, ThisTEDO is no more besides ThisEve who seems to have ties to them, but does he mean the locations are different? The size of the organisation is different?


Yeah, I think that means they have a different HQ, but it's open to interpretation.

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