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Kandiman
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Someone posted earlier that we know Jerry's work info - how did you find that?


It's on his facebook page. Google search turns up nothing though.

Rosemarie_Weissenfeld wrote:
i agree on the 'T5666666' it struck me last night when i talked to her, but i don't know where to go with it.

As for telling Annabelle and Jerry about Belle and Jer, that could harm them physically. Although I know from my chat last night that Belle is the only one wh hos the seziures. But they all have some sort of pain when they think of something that is too familiar. So for now until we better know what is happening we need to make sure not to let Annabelle find the Passangers Only page, it was explicitly asked by Belle last night to NOT let her see it. So that makes me think bad things will happen if she does.


But could it? Let's play devil's advocate for a second. Maybe the passengers don't want them to find the page because the more the hosts know about them, the more chance there is that they can get rid of them.

In simple terms: Maybe this is just the invader protecting itself?

Don't know about you guys, but I'm going to work WITH Annabelle and Jerry. Screw the passengers. After all, you're only a passenger until someone kicks you out of the car.

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Rosemarie_Weissenfeld
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 		But the passangers are the ones who were thrust back into the past with someone else controlling their lives.

Why would you even want to cause harm, its been expressed that for Belle, that when Annabelle does something that is too familiar to the past she suffers from terrible pains and seziures, who knows what would happen if you were to tell them about their passangers. The passangers are the original body owners, not the other way around.

i think that we are supposed to be helping Vivi, Jer and Belle regain control of their lives and rid themselves of their invaders.

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 		I really want to discover if Vivian has an online presence (FaceBook, Twitter, Blog, &c.) out there...as far as we know (and the passengers too) Annabelle, Jerry and Vivian are the only ones with passengers right now?

I kinda want to tell Annabelle and Jerry about their passengers too...but I worry about the consequences that we may not be able to take back. (O__O)
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Spinne_13
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 		Okay, so I emailed Jerry and Annabelle. My original email to Jerry was simply to see if I could get him to talk to me on his terms.

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Jerry,

I know you don't believe in time travel, but doesn't Hume's Missing Shade of Blue support time travel? For example, you state you cannot observe the past or present, just as you cannot observe the missing shade. The shade does exist though which leads to a paradox. Could it not be the same with time travel?

[Jerry's Response]
I address this issue in my latest blog post. The Missing Shade of Blue
isn't a real problem in Hume, at least, not in the sense that the
Cartesian Circle was a problem. It's merely a curiosity that Hume
notes. Knowing the missing shade of blue is indeed possible via
sensory input, though not everyone agrees with me on this, and,
obviously, whoever hacked my site does not.


So, I looked up this Cartesian Circle reference, basically it's circular logic. It can be completely summed up in this quote from Wikipedia:

Quote:
Many commentators, both at the time that Descartes wrote and since, have argued that this involves a circular argument, as he relies upon the principle of clarity and distinctness to argue for the existence of God, and then claims that God is the guarantor of his clear and distinct ideas.


Also, there has been new stuff put in the Passengers Only section. The Camel, The Lion and The Child reference is to a book by Nietzsche called "Thus Spake Zarathustra." It's a bit to type so here is a link which will tell you exactly what that means.

http://everything2.com/title/Camel%252C%2520Lion%2520and%2520Child

Jer is making a reference to this book, there was a translation of it done by a man named Thomas Common. You can actually get the full text of this version in HTML format here:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1998/1998-h/1998-h.htm#2H_4_0014

Now, I'm not sure if the numbers mean page numbers, chapters, letters on pages, or what. But we definitely have the right thing. Any ideas?

On letting Annabelle know about Belle, etc., from this new information that could be good and bad. I think I'll wait on more information first...

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Spinne_13 wrote:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1998/1998-h/1998-h.htm#2H_4_0014

Now, I'm not sure if the numbers mean page numbers, chapters, letters on pages, or what. But we definitely have the right thing. Any ideas?


Wow, great work! The lion, the camel and the child parable is in the chapter (if that's what they're best called) called "I. The Three Metamorphoses."

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Counting the letters within that chapter according to the numbers Jer gives solves to: altjeringa.info (recall that Altjeringa is reportedly Jerry's employer)


The new website is blank for me, but with
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hex code in the source that translates into page formatting
I'm at work, so I don't know if this is just a problem that being at home would solve, or if there is an error/puzzle on the page. At any rate, someone could easily reconstruct the page from the code.

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SyNeSTro
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jessie1326 wrote:
Spinne_13 wrote:

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1998/1998-h/1998-h.htm#2H_4_0014

Now, I'm not sure if the numbers mean page numbers, chapters, letters on pages, or what. But we definitely have the right thing. Any ideas?


Wow, great work! The lion, the camel and the child parable is in the chapter (if that's what they're best called) called "I. The Three Metamorphoses."

Spoiler (Rollover to View):
Counting the letters within that chapter according to the numbers Jer gives solves to: altjeringa.info (recall that Altjeringa is reportedly Jerry's employer)


The new website is blank for me, but with
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hex code in the source that translates into page formatting
I'm at work, so I don't know if this is just a problem that being at home would solve, or if there is an error/puzzle on the page. At any rate, someone could easily reconstruct the page from the code.


It works for me. Good info spinne_13!

EDIT: this was in the source. its a long read.

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Do you want to make a difference? Those who understand what we believe in are welcome to offer their services here. altjeringainfoSPLATgmail.com
I will suppose, then, not that Deity, who is sovereignly good and the fountain of truth, but that some malignant demon, who is at once exceedingly potent and deceitful, has employed all his artifice to deceive me; t will suppose that the sky, the air, the earth, colors, figures, sounds, and all external things, are nothing better than the illusions of dreams, by means of which this being has laid snares for my credulity; I will consider myself as without hands, eyes, flesh, blood, or any of the senses, and as falsely believing that I am possessed of these; I will continue resolutely fixed in this belief, and if indeed by this means it be not in my power to arrive at the knowledge of truth, I shall at least do what is in my power, viz., [ suspend my judgment ], and guard with settled purpose against giving my assent to what is false, and being imposed upon by this deceiver, whatever be his power and artifice. But this undertaking is arduous, and a certain indolence insensibly leads me back to my ordinary course of life; and just as the captive, who, perchance, was enjoying in his dreams an imaginary liberty, when he begins to suspect that it is but a vision, dreads awakening, and conspires with the agreeable illusions that the deception may be prolonged; so I, of my own accord, fall back into the train of my former beliefs, and fear to arouse myself from my slumber, lest the time of laborious wakefulness that would succeed this quiet rest, in place of bringing any light of day, should prove inadequate to dispel the darkness that will arise from the difficulties that have now been raised.

I suppose, accordingly, that all the things which I see are false (fictitious); I believe that none of those objects which my fallacious memory represents ever existed; I suppose that I possess no senses; I believe that body, figure, extension, motion, and place are merely fictions of my mind. What is there, then, that can be esteemed true ? Perhaps this only, that there is absolutely nothing certain.

3. But how do I know that there is not something different altogether from the objects I have now enumerated, of which it is impossible to entertain the slightest doubt? Is there not a God, or some being, by whatever name I may designate him, who causes these thoughts to arise in my mind ? But why suppose such a being, for it may be I myself am capable of producing them? Am I, then, at least not something? But I before denied that I possessed senses or a body; I hesitate, however, for what follows from that? Am I so dependent on the body and the senses that without these I cannot exist? But I had the persuasion that there was absolutely nothing in the world, that there was no sky and no earth, neither minds nor bodies; was I not, therefore, at the same time, persuaded that I did not exist? Far from it; I assuredly existed, since I was persuaded. But there is I know not what being, who is possessed at once of the highest power and the deepest cunning, who is constantly employing all his ingenuity in deceiving me. Doubtless, then, I exist, since I am deceived; and, let him deceive me as he may, he can never bring it about that I am nothing, so long as I shall be conscious that I am something. So that it must, in fine, be maintained, all things being maturely and carefully considered, that this proposition (pronunciatum ) I am, I exist, is necessarily true each time it is expressed by me, or conceived in my mind.


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 		Hmm, I'll have to wait to peruse the site until I get home, then -- guess that means I should do actual work today... Shocked

In the meantime, the text after the address is more Descartes (thanks, Google!).

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SyNeSTro
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jessie1326 wrote:
Hmm, I'll have to wait to peruse the site until I get home, then -- guess that means I should do actual work today... Shocked

In the meantime, the text after the address is more Descartes (thanks, Google!).


wow. Descartes? jeez, this one is making my head spin with all the philosophical reading im having to do. at least we got an email adress out of it.

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altjeringainfoSPLATgmail.com


i already sent an email off.

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 		Seems interesting.. jumping in!
Though I'm a bit confused.. She had a seizure, then she awoke 10 years in the past, and never made it back?

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 		Sent a generic "am interested in information" email to the AltjeringaInfo address, received the following reply:
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Altjeringa is hard at work providing solutions to the energy crisis through the most powerful force in the universe: humanity's ability to reason and to think. We at Altjeringa believe that reason is humanity's only chance to understand and harness the world around us for the greater good.

best,
Jack


@Aladar: Yep, that pretty well sums up what we know. "Belle" seems to be basically a separate consciousness within Annabelle who recalls living "their" life until the age of 18, when Belle/Annabelle had the first seizure and woke up in the past. Annabelle now lives "their" life while Belle is merely a "passenger" who sometimes gains control of their body. Belle tells us that many such "passengers" exist, and that Annabelle is an exception to the general rule because Annabelle actively remembers her "first" life and the seizure/time travel that led to this point. Most people with passengers (called "you-know-whos" by the passengers) have no recollection of the time travel or their "first lives." Jerry, whose passenger goes by "Jer," is an example of this kind of you-know-who -- at least, so far.

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 		Also, a new blog post from Annabelle, this one is quite interesting. It involves nightmares and a step into womanhood. Quite a read really, what do you guys think of it so far?

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 		I may have killed Jerry via facebook. I sent this:

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Glad you found my previous information to you useful. If I might assist further, perhaps you should see this link: http://iamannabelle.com/p4yyygds/

It appears to be a conversation between the 'passengers' - yours, Annabelle's, and a passenger from someone we assume to be named Vivian. Do you know a Vivian?

You can communicate with them if you choose.

Can you give me any information about your place of work? If I know where you work, perhaps I can assist you in keeping your secret until we know more about what's going on.

In the meantime, like I said, personal differences aside... It really looks like you and Annabelle might be in the same boat. And, while I can't communicate this with her - it makes her ill (severe headaches and the like) to think of it. You may be immune, though - you might be the only hope of saving both of your lives. And Vivians.

Until we know more, this seems to be down to you.

Kriss


And received this:

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I have begun communication with ANGELIC VOICES and they have told me that the answer is SIDEWAYS rather than BACKWARDS and that I am to be a prophet and SPREAD THE WORD of this to the world. My SKIN has begun to GLOW BRIGHTLY and my entire being is changing.


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 		i told you it wasnt a good idea to tell him lol! Annabelle is worried about him though and so am I. Thats some bad juju you unleashed on Jerry lol.

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 		To go along with the breakdown, there are several new posts on Jerry's blog (http://kacez.wordpress.com), including an animated diagram of...blueness? http://kacez.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/animated-1.gif

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jessie1326 wrote:
To go along with the breakdown, there are several new posts on Jerry's blog (http://kacez.wordpress.com), including an animated diagram of...blueness? http://kacez.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/animated-1.gif


That picture started freaking me out because I didn't notice that is was animated right away, b4 and c5 keep switching places if you were wondering.

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