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SteganosaurusRex
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http://linguafranca.mirror.theinfo.org/9209/culianu.html

One begins to understand why some might prefer to remain anonymous.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2009 12:32 am
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Exguisite Corpse
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In the fantasy and detective stories he published in avant-garde literary magazines like Exguisite Corpse, Culianu wrote of political events that materialized months or years later, of secret sects, and murders remarkably like his own. This crime is an academic whodunit, touching on the tortured intricacies of Romanian history, on myth and mysticism, and on the buried connections between a scholar's political and intellectual passions. As fiction, it makes uncanny tragedy. The tragedy is, it's not fiction.


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birdmadgirl123
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Hey, Steggy:

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To a certain extent I feel like much of the analysis of this is simply circular. Yes there are references to Manson, etc. But I think we are not doing much more than discovering that a murder mystery involves a murder and a murderer.

Lull, on the other hand...caught my attention.

Let's make a deal.
You keep working out the arcane occult aspect of TLS, and I'll keep showing connections between the source material.

They're not mutually exclusive--and may actually complement each other.

And there may be readers out there who aren't all that familiar with the backstory--like you and I and whomever "GreatyMartin" is.

(edited for unnecessary rudeness)

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birdmadgirl123
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Psst: Steggy..."The Whizzer" is a mysterious character mentioned in Chapter 5 of TLS:
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"The Whizzer?"

"Well, that's what everybody calls him, stern but fair, just a little scary. The Whizzer is a holdover from the old, mythical, weird America...ain't much left of that--as you move through some of the more rural areas upstate, you'll get a little glimpse here & there, but the Whizzer, he's sittin' close to the main-vein of that elusive world..."


You know, like: "We're off to see the Whizzer..."

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SteganosaurusRex
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No need to get rude (even if it is edited). I was doing the same thing so the comment was not directed at you, just a comment on overall approach. I think your months of closeness to the authors has gotten you a little sensitive.

You can work on whatever you want obviously. I have a sneaking feeling that, given my own lack of progress on the more argish side of things that this thread is not long for this place anyway. The connections you are defensive of are fascinating but it may not be enough to generate interest among those looking for args. We are guests here after all, and all my comments about "is this or isn't this" have not been meant to criticize the authors, just an attempt to be a good guest. Personally, I think we should just move all of this somewhere, just not sure where.

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GreatieMarten
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I'll learn to work the saxophone
I'll play just what I feel
Drink scotch whiskey all night long
and die behind the wheel
they got a name for the winners in the world
I want a name when I lose
they call Alabama the Crimson Tide
call me Decan Blue

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SteganosaurusRex
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There is definitely a Neil Gaiman influence here, I think, especially if you think of superheroes as "American Gods". And I definitely want to track down a copy of the Sandman collection, it sounds really interesting and I am not a reader of comics, even when called "graphic novels".

However, the Culianu book is really on my radar. I had heard of him and even that book but somehow I had never heard of his murder. Exquisite Corpse indeed. Andrei Codrescu, by the way, (not sure of the spelling) was friends with Culianu and edits a literary mag by that name. It also has meaning in the surrealist art world as a collective art project.

The names of our guests are most instructive. (Heh, GreatieMarten posted just as I was. Deacon Blue was just such an example. Character in a SD song and also puts me in mind of "decans" which we have discussed.)

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birdmadgirl123
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I must be losing my mind, since I forgot the most important connection in the "Diamond and Pearl" post:

From TLS:
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The main irony was that, at this point, I was moving away from lysergic solutions, becoming obsessed with a mythical psychedelic compound mentioned in ancient heretical Persian and Kurdish religious texts. The sacred libation, translated roughly as 'Lace', seems to have become intertwined with soma and haoma, from the religious traditions of India & Persia respectively. An aspiring young specialist in Kurdish liturgical texts by the name of Martin Schwartzman, claimed that superimposing certain passages from the Jandekite literature, namely, The Book of the Diamond, and The Book of the Pearl, would yield the encoded recipe for 'lace', which, according to the Diamond & Pearl literature, would trigger a series of synchronistic events, which would somehow provoke the immanent manifestation of the much anticipated Book of JNDK.


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birdmadgirl123
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Steganosaurus Rex:

Am I too sensitive? Perhaps, but I also detect a kind of dismissiveness in your "voice" that sometimes I feel I have to respond to.

You were quite dismissive of my attempts to explain the Joseph Matheny connection (which is definitely ARG-related, is it not?), and then with the Spiral Staircase post, both of which in my view are integral to an understanding of TLS.

I have really admired your work on the arcane aspects of TLS, but it's not the whole story.

As to whether this is the right forum, I've maintained that it is not. Why not take it over to RI. Perhaps you could contact Jeff Wells and see where he thinks it would fit in?

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Decan Blue
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As Culianu points out: it's all about the "links".

That said, let us now turn to page 64 in our
copies of Adam Gorightly's 'Shadow Over Santa
Susana'. You know, the part where Charlie is
bestowed with the monicker "Giordano Bruno" in
a witchy "bus" ritual.

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SteganosaurusRex
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birdmadgirl123 wrote:
As to whether this is the right forum, I've maintained that it is not. Why not take it over to RI. Perhaps you could contact Jeff Wells and see where he thinks it would fit in?


I have been searching over there. I don't think they will have any interest in this. Or, rather, I think they would likely be quite hostile to this material from what I have seen. And since everyone is convinced I am a certain former poster over there, a certain banned former poster, I can't imagine we would have much luck with that. There are entire threads spent attacking him and this material. I mean 20 plus page threads.

There are the Untermuyer and kk blogs, of course, but that will get kinda sprawling. A wiki format or something maybe. A google group. I don't know but thanks for the patience of UF, no one else is participating but they are letting us work through this.

And DB, I don't have THAT book either. Evil or Very Mad

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birdmadgirl123
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Tasty tidbits from Eros and Magic in the Renaissance:

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In order to understand and show to advantage the timeliness of De vinculis [by G.Bruno], we ought to know about the activities of those trusts, those ministries of propaganda; we should be able to glance at the manuals of schools fo espionage, from which we may glean something of what happens outside the corridors of those organizations whose ideal goal is to guarantee order and the common welfare, where it exists...
p. 90

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The magician of De vinculis is the prototype of the impersonal systems of mass media, indirect censorship, global manipulation, and the brain trusts that exercise their occult control over the Western masses...Bruno's magician is altogether aware that, to gain the following of the masses, like the loyalty of an individual, it is necessary to take account of all the complexity of the subject's expectations, to create the total illusion of giving unicuique suum.
p.90

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We see that the goal of Bruno's erotic magic is to enable a manipulator to control both individuals and crowds. Its fundamental presupposition is that a big tool for manipulation exists--Eros in the most general sense of the word: that which we love, from physical pleasure to things probably unsuspected, in passing, by wealth, power, etc...Magic action occurs through indirect contact, through sounds and images which exert their power over the sense of sight and hearing...
p.91

and lastly:

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We would tend to say that...magicians and prophets have now vanished. More probably, however, they have simply been camouflaged in sober and legal guises...Nowadays the magician busies himself with public relations, propaganda, market research, sociaological surveys, publicity, information, counterinformation and misinformation, censorship, espionage, and even cryptography...
p. 104

and, I would posit, the creation of ARGs.

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SteganosaurusRex
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Don't suppose that text is available online in full anywhere?

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GreatieMarten
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if Charles is Bruno, then who is John Dee, and who is Kelley/Talbot, & Rudolph, & Gloriana, & the stupid git

I'm so tired

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Nostrildamus
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GreatieMarten wrote:
I'll learn to work the saxophone
I'll play just what I feel
Drink scotch whiskey all night long
and die behind the wheel


TLS:

Lull, who apparently had clandistine copies
of the Books of the Diamond & Pearl, seems
to have extracted fron these works, his color-
coded system of decans: "the dye behind the
wheel" as Lull would note.

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