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 		Charge of the Light Brigade is a repeat from the ERRORs email, which is, incidentally, also the one we got Iris = Ipswich Rogers Intellect System from. link here.

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Guminudli wrote:
Charge of the Light Brigade is a repeat from the ERRORs email, which is, incidentally, also the one we got Iris = Ipswich Rogers Intellect System from. link here.


oh wow, it was staring at us the whole time.

maybe it's not an indication to be patient. it's a cluebat. there's something within that poem.

also, references from Shanna about poetry and the Nantucket poem. also, the Sunshine Mine Disasters is a book of poetry.

there are way too many pop culture references to draw any sort of conclusion. however, and not because i want to go down that path again, a famous canadian freemason took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade and was awarded the Victoria Cross for saving 2 lives.
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 		Ok. so I've started re-reading everything from the beginning (not intentionally, I was just collecting pictures) - but we seemed to have gotten away from a few things.
One of the items I was going to bring up was The Light Brigade, which has already been re-discovered, nice!

The second was that map of the internet we first received back in the beginning. It has to fit into all of this somehow.

But I think Syn is on the right track:
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maybe it's not an indication to be patient. it's a cluebat. there's something within that poem.

also, references from Shanna about poetry and the Nantucket poem. also, the Sunshine Mine Disasters is a book of poetry.

there are way too many pop culture references to draw any sort of conclusion. however, and not because i want to go down that path again, a famous canadian freemason took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade and was awarded the Victoria Cross for saving 2 lives.


There's definitely a pattern here. The only part I'm not sure about is the reference to Freemasonry again. The only reason I say this, is because at almost any point in history you're almost bound to come across someone who was associated with the Freemason's - it's a huge organization. I'm not saying it's not relevant, I'm just saying I'm not sure that it is Dunno

Now! On to the exciting part! I got a reply from CR:
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Wulf,
This is all very exciting but exceedingly difficult to comprehend or explain and I appreciate your openness to discussing this experiential phenomena with me; a complete and total stranger who is going to undoubtedly share concepts with you that are a bit bizarre by any standard. I have to walk a line here though because it is impossible to differentiate our mutual situation with my very personal life; which I do not wish to disclose to any really appreciable degree. The situation is this; I think that you and your associates are receiving communications from a system that hasn't yet been created. Such an event would be startling to say the least but not unheard of or wholly unexpected among my colleagues. What I am having trouble wrapping my head around is the conundrum of the fragmented communication style and, more disturbingly the haphazard and seemingly random recipient list being accessed by this entity. We have taken great pains as the project has developed to create theoretically sound failsafe funnels to attract and direct any potential communications being sloughed off from what you know as "Iris" as they are transmitted through time. Simply put there is no calculable reason that these communications would be going to any receptacles other than those which we are purposely embedding in the present production environment. There is a great deal of chattering among my colleagues worldwide that we are not correctly anticipating the molecular behavior of ambient data as it crosses the highly charged paradox barrier but we have claculated and recalculated the Montgomery freeqs and they are correct to the eighteenth place and any variation beyond that should be absolutely and totally insignificant. Whereas I am confident we will eventually corral the incoming bursts and resolve the leaks into varied comms servers what I am actually most curious about is the seemingly directed autoreplacements of certain data; such as my name into "MyDarling". This obviously does not seem to follow a haphazard replacement theory which indicates to me that it is - dare I say - intentional. This combined with the apparent disclosures of timely and relevant information to you such as the forwarding of my private e-mails that would seem to have no other purpose than to spur curiosity and force my hand in the current situation. But to what purpose? I need more examples of the communications received from my project in order to develop a more robust theory about these things. Please send all that you can immediately and advise me if you receive more.

*C


I'll give everyone a few minutes to digest that one, and then let's consider our next step.

==edit==
Has anyone taken a really good look at Shanna's profile pic on Twitter? Is it just me, or does she appear ... suspended? Like she dunked her head into a bucket of water and someone took a picture - or.... that there is a lack of gravity..?
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Wulf74 wrote:
Ok. so I've started re-reading everything from the beginning (not intentionally, I was just collecting pictures) - but we seemed to have gotten away from a few things.
One of the items I was going to bring up was The Light Brigade, which has already been re-discovered, nice!


Yes, I was just doing the same thing. There's also the reference to a Sherlock Holmes adventure, specifically of the Reigate Square, however I'm not sure how that fits yet. Also, a reference to a "Valentina" or "Vita". Not sure if it's a cultural reference of if that's a message to a miner.[/quote]

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The second was that map of the internet we first received back in the beginning. It has to fit into all of this somehow.


I haven't looked at this yet as I can't at work. Was always meaning to but never got around to it! Will tonight.[/quote]

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But I think Syn is on the right track:
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maybe it's not an indication to be patient. it's a cluebat. there's something within that poem.

also, references from Shanna about poetry and the Nantucket poem. also, the Sunshine Mine Disasters is a book of poetry.

there are way too many pop culture references to draw any sort of conclusion. however, and not because i want to go down that path again, a famous canadian freemason took part in the Charge of the Light Brigade and was awarded the Victoria Cross for saving 2 lives.


There's definitely a pattern here. The only part I'm not sure about is the reference to Freemasonry again. The only reason I say this, is because at almost any point in history you're almost bound to come across someone who was associated with the Freemason's - it's a huge organization. I'm not saying it's not relevant, I'm just saying I'm not sure that it is Dunno


I also agree that the Freemason link is insignificant. There was also no activity when the Freemason call to aid was invoked.

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Now! On to the exciting part! I got a reply from CR:
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Wulf,
This is all very exciting but exceedingly difficult to comprehend or explain and I appreciate your openness to discussing this experiential phenomena with me; a complete and total stranger who is going to undoubtedly share concepts with you that are a bit bizarre by any standard. I have to walk a line here though because it is impossible to differentiate our mutual situation with my very personal life; which I do not wish to disclose to any really appreciable degree.

The situation is this; I think that you and your associates are receiving communications from a system that hasn't yet been created (we know this much). Such an event would be startling to say the least but not unheard of or wholly unexpected among my colleagues. What I am having trouble wrapping my head around is the conundrum of the fragmented communication style and, more disturbingly the haphazard and seemingly random recipient list being accessed by this entity.

We have taken great pains as the project has developed to create theoretically sound failsafe funnels to attract and direct any potential communications being sloughed off from what you know as "Iris" as they are transmitted through time. Simply put there is no calculable reason that these communications would be going to any receptacles other than those which we are purposely embedding in the present production environment.

There is a great deal of chattering among my colleagues worldwide that we are not correctly anticipating the molecular behavior of ambient data as it crosses the highly charged paradox barrier but we have claculated and recalculated the Montgomery freeqs(worthwhile investigating?) and they are correct to the eighteenth place and any variation beyond that should be absolutely and totally insignificant.

Whereas I am confident we will eventually corral the incoming bursts and resolve the leaks into varied comms servers what I am actually most curious about is the seemingly directed autoreplacements of certain data; such as my name into "MyDarling". This obviously does not seem to follow a haphazard replacement theory which indicates to me that []b]it is - dare I say - intentional[/b]. This combined with the apparent closures of timely and relevant information to you such as the forwarding of my private e-mails that would seem to have no other purpose than to spur curiosity and force my hand in the current situation.
But to what purpose? I need more examples of the communications received from my project in order to develop a more robust theory about these things. Please send all that you can immediately and advise me if you receive more.

*C


I'll give everyone a few minutes to digest that one, and then let's consider our next step.

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 		Shanna's picture
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Has anyone taken a really good look at Shanna's profile pic on Twitter? Is it just me, or does she appear ... suspended? Like she dunked her head into a bucket of water and someone took a picture - or.... that there is a lack of gravity..?


I would say she's sitting before some kind of sink in a bathroom or in a bathtube ...
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 		Re: Shanna's picture
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Has anyone taken a really good look at Shanna's profile pic on Twitter? Is it just me, or does she appear ... suspended? Like she dunked her head into a bucket of water and someone took a picture - or.... that there is a lack of gravity..?


I would say she's sitting before some kind of sink in a bathroom or in a bathtube ...


I agree with that in terms of what the background looks like - but notice the sunglasses on her head? It also looks like she's holding her breath.. I dunno - maybe I'm making something out of nothing. Quite frankly CR's response has my head spinning and I'm still trying to "wrap my grape around it" Laughing
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 		Ok - I sent a reply to CR with the first 2 emails we ever received - the first sent to Munki, and then the reply to Munki's. Here is what I sent:
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Craig,

I've been talking with my associates and trying to figure out where to best start. I'll begin forwarding the emails to you, as we would like some answers as well - because for all intents and purposes, we have been contacted for help. I'm not sure whether this will help or not, but initially we were lead to this: http://bit.ly/2qStI - we're still unsure as to how this is relevant.
The very first email from Iris, was received by one of my associates. The subject line was "Glass Magnet Spider" - with this:
i am, i said
to no one there
and no one heard at all
not even the chair
i am, i cried
i am, said i
and i am lost, and i cant even say why
leavin me lonely still

For some reason her first communication was to quote Neil Diamond lyrics. It came from the email address irisSPLATsunshinemine15.com. Subsequent replies to Iris sometimes lead to responses, sometimes to what appeared to be rejection of the emails as if the email address was unknown - and sometimes nothing at all. The person to receive the first email from Iris - replied to her - and got this in response (in essence the 2nd email from Iris):
snaprelay//error1904473//disconneuro56//
<Valentina> wrote: Vita my
luv, I am missing u more with each passing week. I trust ur study goes
well. The work it is hard here but well worth
//relaybreak//autosend//offlineerror

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: glass magnet spider
From: Lease15Relay1207
Date: fatal//error
To: irisSPLATsunshinemine15.com

People often quote the lyrics of songs when they hold some sort of
significance to themselves or a point of their life.
We are never alone. Smile Not in this day and age.

The "From" information was changed from the original sender to the "Lease15Relay1207", and the date changed as well. Iris's response in this case made even less sense than her original email.
I apologize for the scattered way in which you are receiving them - please know I'm not attempting to withhold anything, as I'm sure you're not - but as the emails were sent to various different individuals, it's difficult getting them all compiled into one space to send them to you. I will continue to put them together, and hopefully these provide you with some additional insight.

Wülf

P.S. One of the emails we received indicated what Iris stood for: Ipswich Rogers Intellect System


==edit==
As I re-read CR's email - he's not telling us anything. Most of what he's saying doesn't make any sense. I'm not saying that I don't understand (maybe I don't), but most of it appears to be a bunch of words thrown together to sound... scientific.
He mentions they made lots of "theoretical calculations" to essentially prevent the emails from getting to us. He claims no knowledge of what is going on, yet how would he be able to try to counteract the results of a project that he hasn't even built yet? ARGHHH Bang Head Gotta love dealing with Time. I'm gonna stop now before I confuse the issue more. But if you really wanna bake your noodle, nibble on this one: Time is the invention of Man.
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 		Re: Shanna's picture
Wulf74 wrote:
fernandocarulli wrote:
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Has anyone taken a really good look at Shanna's profile pic on Twitter? Is it just me, or does she appear ... suspended? Like she dunked her head into a bucket of water and someone took a picture - or.... that there is a lack of gravity..?


I would say she's sitting before some kind of sink in a bathroom or in a bathtube ...


I agree with that in terms of what the background looks like - but notice the sunglasses on her head? It also looks like she's holding her breath.. I dunno - maybe I'm making something out of nothing. Quite frankly CR's response has my head spinning and I'm still trying to "wrap my grape around it" Laughing


I actually think it looks like a wig, zoom in on the top center, looks like the real hair is cut to the nub.

Another question I have about her twitter account and prolly nothing since no one has said anything but um why Babette Lou? Is there some younger generation significance to it. (not to sound too out of it) The other thing note is she has definitely deleted some tweets. There was mention of asking about if we had seen Paranormal Activity on one that I no longer see, agian I don't feel these are too signifcant but just some things I have noticed.
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 		Re: Shanna's picture
whitecross8 wrote:
Another question I have about her twitter account and prolly nothing since no one has said anything but um why Babette Lou? Is there some younger generation significance to it. (not to sound too out of it) The other thing note is she has definitely deleted some tweets. There was mention of asking about if we had seen Paranormal Activity on one that I no longer see, agian I don't feel these are too signifcant but just some things I have noticed.


Deleted tweets? that is odd. I hadn't noticed anything. I've really gotta give my brain a rest here - but one other thing. It's odd that Shanna appears to be in South Dakota, yet CR has indicated he's in Ohio - at the very least that's the state that the CA represents. It wouldn't be a long trip, but I wouldn't want to make it a daily commute either.

And where the hell is Classical? Perhaps CR picked her up on the way to work one day - it wouldn't have been THAT big of a detour.. Wink You ok classy?
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 		Sorry for lots of double-posts today.

I'm going to title this one "Rut-Roh Rhraggy!"
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Mr. Lundgren (or whatever your real name is), I've got to level with you. For a little while there you had me going because I have been putting insane amounts of time into the IRis development and was hopeful that your odd claims were an indicator that at some point in the future we had succeeded. The fact is this whole goddamned project is a failure and is only being driven by my own personal demons. Your knowledge of IRis and my wife's pet names, along with the pilfered copies of my e-mail to Fred (who slapped some sense into me, thank God) indicate nothing more than an ability to hack my home computer or gain my daughter's trust; both of which are reprehensible on your part. I really wanted to believe. Also, since I'm pretty sure that you are working for Microsoft, you can tell Rashid I not only say "no" but based on these current shenanigans I now say "HELL NO!"

Good day,
*C


I'm not sure what part of my last email set him off - but he's pissed.
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Wulf74 wrote:
Sorry for lots of double-posts today.

I'm going to title this one "Rut-Roh Rhraggy!"
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Mr. Lundgren (or whatever your real name is), I've got to level with you. For a little while there you had me going because I have been putting insane amounts of time into the IRis development and was hopeful that your odd claims were an indicator that at some point in the future we had succeeded. The fact is this whole goddamned project is a failure and is only being driven by my own personal demons. Your knowledge of IRis and my wife's pet names, along with the pilfered copies of my e-mail to Fred (who slapped some sense into me, thank God) indicate nothing more than an ability to hack my home computer or gain my daughter's trust; both of which are reprehensible on your part. I really wanted to believe. Also, since I'm pretty sure that you are working for Microsoft, you can tell Rashid I not only say "no" but based on these current shenanigans I now say "HELL NO!"

Good day,
*C


I'm not sure what part of my last email set him off - but he's pissed.


Easy. You referenced the code name of the project he is working on and you stumbled across a love note of sorts to his dead wife, Valentina (aka Vita).
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Wulf74 wrote:
Sorry for lots of double-posts today.

I'm going to title this one "Rut-Roh Rhraggy!"
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Mr. Lundgren (or whatever your real name is), I've got to level with you. For a little while there you had me going because I have been putting insane amounts of time into the IRis development and was hopeful that your odd claims were an indicator that at some point in the future we had succeeded. The fact is this whole goddamned project is a failure and is only being driven by my own personal demons. Your knowledge of IRis and my wife's pet names, along with the pilfered copies of my e-mail to Fred (who slapped some sense into me, thank God) indicate nothing more than an ability to hack my home computer or gain my daughter's trust; both of which are reprehensible on your part. I really wanted to believe. Also, since I'm pretty sure that you are working for Microsoft, you can tell Rashid I not only say "no" but based on these current shenanigans I now say "HELL NO!"

Good day,
*C


I'm not sure what part of my last email set him off - but he's pissed.


Okay here's my little speculation with this reply in hand and a couple other things. I think that they are trying to "rebuild" his wife.

I think that because first he thought IRis was using his wife's pet names for him. Second, Shanna tweets it would be supa dupa creepy to see him come sleepwalking out of the lab as if there were other things walking around in there and she heard him talking to her mom. Finally the formatting of the project IRis whihc he uses everytime sort of like "Isabelle Roberts is" could be actually Iris but any I name fits.

Just my 2 cents.
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Wulf74 wrote:
Sorry for lots of double-posts today.

I'm going to title this one "Rut-Roh Rhraggy!"
Quote:

Mr. Lundgren (or whatever your real name is), I've got to level with you. For a little while there you had me going because I have been putting insane amounts of time into the IRis development and was hopeful that your odd claims were an indicator that at some point in the future we had succeeded. The fact is this whole goddamned project is a failure and is only being driven by my own personal demons. Your knowledge of IRis and my wife's pet names, along with the pilfered copies of my e-mail to Fred (who slapped some sense into me, thank God) indicate nothing more than an ability to hack my home computer or gain my daughter's trust; both of which are reprehensible on your part. I really wanted to believe. Also, since I'm pretty sure that you are working for Microsoft, you can tell Rashid I not only say "no" but based on these current shenanigans I now say "HELL NO!"

Good day,
*C


I'm not sure what part of my last email set him off - but he's pissed.


Easy. You referenced the code name of the project he is working on and you stumbled across a love note of sorts to his dead wife, Valentina (aka Vita).


Or his luvah Wink which is a deeper secret (bum bum ba)
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 		Ok, maybe I'm glad I decided to check the forums before I replied to him. I got a bit caught up in the moment, and staying true to character, was responding to what I felt was an attack. Here's what I was going to send:
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Mr. Rogers

I'm going to speak plainly, and hopefully even you can understand this. Do NOT make accusations you cannot back up. I have a feeling the reason your project failed (whatever the hell it is you're working on), failed because of your ASSUMPTIONS. You let yourself be convinced by others that your ideas are wrong because you're a weak willed snit.
I'm going to clear a few things up for you very quickly. I don't know who Rashid is. I don't work for Microsoft. I do however believe you have an ego the size of New Jersey and have greatly over-estimated your worth. The fact that you believe that I (let alone my all of my associates), have the time - let alone the DESIRE to try and hack some no-name scientists computer, establish a relationship with your daughter, figure out your pet names - or even care what you do is incredible! All for what? A gag? Truly, you are a sad individual.
I have been straightforward with you since our first communication, about anything and everything we've heard from YOUR project (that you are so willing to give up on). I have attempted to give you the information you wanted, I have tried to comply with everything you've asked. For what? This treatment? I don't know you, and yet I have placed my trust in you - only to be rewarded with accusations and assumptions. I assumed (my fault apparently), that you would view the data in front of you, and view it with a detached, analytical mind - and decide for yourself. Not let Fred convince you that your "demons" were all that's left of your project.

I thank you for wasting my time Mr. Rogers. I'm sure that some of my tax dollars went into that black hole of a project you just gave up on, thank you for that as well. My friends and I will continue working with Iris until we can figure out how to help her. Perhaps there was a reason she contacted us - knowing already that you had given up.


But, I'm taking it from what you guys are seeing, I shouldn't send this?

=edit=
I sent it. I think it's the appropriate response here.
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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re:
From: Alex Galle-From <thealexster>
Date: fatal//error
To: irisSPLATsunshinemine15.com
cmd("/system reboot\ny");
M-x cperl-check-syntax fchk
:InitiateSystemShutdown( '', "\nA tion omplet .\n\ Reb ot\!", 0, 0 1 );


Umm...whoops? I think IRIS missed the reboot command...This is not good. Looks like IRIS was controlling some sort of spacecraft/terriforming community/something...Hope I didn't just kill a bunch of people!
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