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[VIDEO] Entry #15
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badwolfcorp
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TNC wrote:
Well, no one else has said it, so I'll do the honors.

This appears to be inside of a school.

Someone mentioned the "House" from Program.

I think you'll find giant columns to be commonplace outside of universities.

Mystery solved, gentlemen. Find the University, find J.


I dunno, the shot in Program looks like a normal porch with a railing to me..

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:10 pm
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outofcover
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DavFlamerock wrote:
FirebreathFishslap wrote:
I guess J is J's real life nickname too, based on the beginning of the video.

That would seem to be the case--but it's not that strange, given that I have a friend living near me who goes by J.

As for the Entry... this one is interesting. It's a WONDERFUL change of pace to get another point of view rather than just another scary "suddenly, Slender Man!" video. In regards to the story, this is a wonderful plot advancing video.

Maybe it's just me, but I'm not seeing "oh shit he's talking about the business suit guy I'm going to freak out now" in Tim's hands. I feel like if he was really hiding something then his fidgets would be a lot more pronounced.

I may be wrong though.


Haas anyone thought that J could be Jay?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:41 pm
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Omega_Absolute
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Maverick wrote:
Omega_Absolute wrote:
How can you tell? You only see his face the last 5 frames! Besides, this was pre-screening. If you listened, you would have heard J say at the end "Let me just get this camera set up" which means they were about to start the screening.

He means out of game that the paper on the notebook was probably the script for the entry, and that he was reading off of it. Jake was saying that that, combined with the fact that they aren't professional actors, could be the reason why he sounded like he did, and that we shouldn't over-analyze that stuff.


No you're right, but we've seen how they "act" normal compared to their purposeful bad acting in the previous entries. As such, it would seem strange for the actors to suddenly lose talent after 15 entries.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 7:42 pm
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Tim has been in one previous entry, not 15. And in those previous 15 entries, there hasn't been much in the way of line delivery. Most of it has been a lot of the camera being swung about. There have been five scenes with any dialogue, so we really have a total of about ten minutes to judge their "talent." Please understand I'm not knocking the actors, I'm just saying we can probably assume that the gist of this entry was "Tim doesn't know much... but Brian does!" and not "Tim hesitated slightly when J. asked about pets so HE MUST KNOW SOMETHING!"

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 8:52 pm
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Eevee
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Sorry, just guesting here, I'm Eevee... how y'all doin? Does anyone suppose it's pretty funky that Tim would only meet with J after stating that he'd try finish production on MarbleHornets?

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Grooze
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Anonymous wrote:
Tim has been in one previous entry, not 15. And in those previous 15 entries, there hasn't been much in the way of line delivery. Most of it has been a lot of the camera being swung about. There have been five scenes with any dialogue, so we really have a total of about ten minutes to judge their "talent." Please understand I'm not knocking the actors, I'm just saying we can probably assume that the gist of this entry was "Tim doesn't know much... but Brian does!" and not "Tim hesitated slightly when J. asked about pets so HE MUST KNOW SOMETHING!"


Do not think it's likely that there's more to some of these entries than that which is obvious?

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Obviously there are some things that are more than meets the eye, but not everything. Not to single you out, but your assumption that when I say, "Not everything is important," I mean, "Nothing has any significance beyond the obvious," is exactly the absolutist, black and white perspective I'm warning against.

For example, the scratches on Tim's arm may be part of the game, but it's just as likely the actor was leaning against a door jamb or his cat scratched him that morning or that he's been scratching a bug bite. If any of those are the case, it's doubtful that the guys behind the game would say, "Uh-oh, we'd better cover up those scratches on your arm lest anyone suspect that you were attacked by Slender Man!" Something like that should go on the "maybe" pile.

If you hear someone talking off camera during a scene they've shot in a public place, it could be important, but it's also likely that someone was walking down the hall and talking to someone else during the shoot. Again, let's point it out, but accept that it's a "maybe."

On the other hand, I can say with 99.999% assurance that analyzing the audio to determine what brand of camera was used and that all these entries were shot with the same camera is immaterial to the story being told.

I guess I'm just saying let's take everything with a grain of salt and not immediately jump every fact that comes along as significant. If there's a shot that has five trees in it, it probably doesn't mean Slender Man draws some kind of special power from the number five. If some unpaid college kid stumbles over a line during a five minute, single-shot scene, it doesn't automatically make the flub significant.

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morscata12
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Tim may be hiding something, but I doubt he's in this very deep. Tim displays a similar speech pattern in Entry 9 (he sounds nervous much of the time). I think this is the way he talks - he seems to repeat syllables a lot.

We can get a lot out of his responses, regardless of his involvement:

- When asked about public places and the people he remembers, Tim seemed to only mention kids were on the set ("No, I mean it was just families, kids, you know."). Since Alex picked the sets, it seems like he picked kid-filled areas. Or, the kids were there because Alex was there - deluge's kid repeating "Alex" makes this a possibility.

- Brian may be missing. It sounds like J didn't know where he was (he asked Tim if he knew), and Tim was sort of surprised to put the pieces together and realize that he didn't really know where his friend Brian was. The uncomfortable silence during the "pets" discussion was probably his realization that Brian may have been in over his head and was now in danger. J's question of "were they pets" wasn't really a tough question, and Tim's ability to answer really drops off during that discussion.

- Tim probably didn't witness anything in Entry 12. Someone says "here's Tim" near the end, right when they're about to get SM off the set. Tim wasn't there to see most/any of that interaction, so I'm pretty sure he's telling the truth that he doesn't remember having to move SM off camera.

- Tim is impatient about eating his lunch in both Entries he appears in. Maybe he likes eating lunch, maybe he has somewhere else he needs to be. Either one seem likely.

PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 10:28 pm
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Something else; Tim appears to be the only one to have not been filmed or on-set at the time of a Slender Man appearance. Brian and the other girl, however, have [Entry 7, I think, and Entry 12]

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:56 am
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Grooze
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Jake wrote:
Obviously there are some things that are more than meets the eye, but not everything.


That's ok. It seemed like you were saying that we should investigate leads that are unlikely to yield results, and so long as you're not, we're in agreement. I tend to assume that most of the things I investigate won't solve a puzzle, but some of them will, and until it's checked we can't know.

Besides when I state my opinions on whether Tim is lying or not I don't expect you to just agree with me. Actually I think we're much more likely to have success if we all take differing approaches towards things.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 11:46 am
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This video lead me to the conclusion that this entire thing is all a prank. Tim and Brian were getting sick of how Alex acted throughout the filming, and decided to start dressing up like the Slender Man to fool him. It all adds up.

Near the end, Entry 14, Alex kills the Slender Man and discovers that it is really Brian. It's incredibly suspicious that Tim lives next to Brian and doesn't know what he's up to.

Also, look at how he acts. Fiddling with the paper nervously, acting scared, and he wants to get the hell out of there after J mentions that he has the tapes.

Am I the only one who came to this conclusion? Heard about it off of the SA forums, but I haven't seen anyone discussing it here.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:11 pm
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TNC
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Living next to someone you know doesn't immediately grant permanent access to their life and memories.

When I was a highschool freshman, I lived next to this really hot chick. We rode the bus together, we talked, whatnot. Few months later, she go a car and we never talked much after that. If someone were to have asked me, "Hey, what's Ashleigh up to, you're her neighbor, right?" I could honestly answer "I don't know, we haven't talked lately."

And no, sorry, it doesn't all add up. You don't hand over murder evidence to your best friend and tell him to burn the tapes. You burn them yourself.

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DavFlamerock
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Jake wrote:
Obviously there are some things that are more than meets the eye, but not everything. Not to single you out, but your assumption that when I say, "Not everything is important," I mean, "Nothing has any significance beyond the obvious," is exactly the absolutist, black and white perspective I'm warning against.

For example, the scratches on Tim's arm may be part of the game, but it's just as likely the actor was leaning against a door jamb or his cat scratched him that morning or that he's been scratching a bug bite. If any of those are the case, it's doubtful that the guys behind the game would say, "Uh-oh, we'd better cover up those scratches on your arm lest anyone suspect that you were attacked by Slender Man!" Something like that should go on the "maybe" pile.

If you hear someone talking off camera during a scene they've shot in a public place, it could be important, but it's also likely that someone was walking down the hall and talking to someone else during the shoot. Again, let's point it out, but accept that it's a "maybe."

On the other hand, I can say with 99.999% assurance that analyzing the audio to determine what brand of camera was used and that all these entries were shot with the same camera is immaterial to the story being told.

I guess I'm just saying let's take everything with a grain of salt and not immediately jump every fact that comes along as significant. If there's a shot that has five trees in it, it probably doesn't mean Slender Man draws some kind of special power from the number five. If some unpaid college kid stumbles over a line during a five minute, single-shot scene, it doesn't automatically make the flub significant.

Quoted for truth.

And I also agree with Username Morscata12's analysis that Tim didn't realize how big this whole deal was until just now, and that Tim is by extension "innocent" (as much as such can be the case, anyway).

That said, it is rather curious that J had to tell Tim he was going to finish Marble Hornets in order to get him to agree to a meeting. And to be honest, I'd be suspicious of someone who was finishing his friend's video project THREE YEARS LATER because it wouldn't make a cohesive story at all. The actors would have changed too much in 3 years.

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Picking up on the comment about kids, I went back to Entry #9 to look into it a little more. At about 1:00 you can hear kids in the background. The characters are about to start recording again, but then Alex says that they can't, presumably because of the kids making noise. At about 1:21 you hear a child making a noise that sounds like screaming.

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I'm sorry, I don't want to come off as rude, but have you read the entire Trailhead?

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