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OmegaTensei
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Why Entry 87 Probably Isn't The End
You've all been trolled

Key Points: 1. THAC has only made individual season credits videos. If the series is now over, why not make a credits video for all 3 seasons combined?
2. The ending to Entry 87 is open ended and hints at a 4th season with Jessica being the lead. This is also convenient for the set up of Jessica finding tapes containing the events that took place after Alex/TO attacked her.
3. THAC has already established itself outside of MH, so why are Troy, Joseph, and Tim going to be using the MH channel to make videos unrelated to MH? It defeats the purpose of THAC's main channel.
4. Troy has a kid now, yet he still plans on making more videos instead of taking care of his own daughter? Clearly he still has something video wise that he still cares about dearly - Like Marble Hornets?
5. Troy and Joseph have stated in the past that each season was meant as the last. After 3 seasons - how can we honestly believe this is it for good?
6. Nowhere on the season 3 dvd cover does it say "The Complete Third and Final Season" - We've seen this months ago, yet Troy, Joseph, and Tim made no effort to correct this?
7. I tweeted to Troy regarding point #7 - no reply, yet he's taken the time to reply to other tweets. If MH was really over, he would have replied to explain, but no effort. If MH is really over, why not reply and say it instead of hiding it?

I think this pretty confirms MH is on hiatus and not officially over. Feel free to discuss!

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Re: Why Entry 87 Probably Isn't The End
You've all been trolled

Humouring this.

OmegaTensei wrote:
2. The ending to Entry 87 is open ended and hints at a 4th season with Jessica being the lead. This is also convenient for the set up of Jessica finding tapes containing the events that took place after Alex/TO attacked her.


That would require Trosephim being capable of writing a female character who isn't just a damsel in distress.

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3. THAC has already established itself outside of MH, so why are Troy, Joseph, and Tim going to be using the MH channel to make videos unrelated to MH? It defeats the purpose of THAC's main channel.


Because they know nobody will watch it unless it's on the MH channel and don't care that it's going to make no sense for MH's story.

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4. Troy has a kid now, yet he still plans on making more videos instead of taking care of his own daughter? Clearly he still has something video wise that he still cares about dearly - Like Marble Hornets?


Making videos=making money=providing support for his family. Also Troy doesn't care about MH, he didn't even want to say anything about it ending on the podcast, despite Joseph wanting to.

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5. Troy and Joseph have stated in the past that each season was meant as the last. After 3 seasons - how can we honestly believe this is it for good?


Because the series deteriorated to the point that such an unsatisfying ending is believable.

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7. I tweeted to Troy regarding point #7 - no reply, yet he's taken the time to reply to other tweets. If MH was really over, he would have replied to explain, but no effort. If MH is really over, why not reply and say it instead of hiding it?


You tweeted to Troy regarding tweeting to Troy? He probably didn't reply because it was stupid.

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Re: Why Entry 87 Probably Isn't The End
You've all been trolled

TheOperator wrote:
Humouring this.

OmegaTensei wrote:
2. The ending to Entry 87 is open ended and hints at a 4th season with Jessica being the lead. This is also convenient for the set up of Jessica finding tapes containing the events that took place after Alex/TO attacked her.


That would require Trosephim being capable of writing a female character who isn't just a damsel in distress.

OmegaTensei wrote:
3. THAC has already established itself outside of MH, so why are Troy, Joseph, and Tim going to be using the MH channel to make videos unrelated to MH? It defeats the purpose of THAC's main channel.


Because they know nobody will watch it unless it's on the MH channel and don't care that it's going to make no sense for MH's story.

OmegaTensei wrote:
4. Troy has a kid now, yet he still plans on making more videos instead of taking care of his own daughter? Clearly he still has something video wise that he still cares about dearly - Like Marble Hornets?


Making videos=making money=providing support for his family. Also Troy doesn't care about MH, he didn't even want to say anything about it ending on the podcast, despite Joseph wanting to.

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5. Troy and Joseph have stated in the past that each season was meant as the last. After 3 seasons - how can we honestly believe this is it for good?


Because the series deteriorated to the point that such an unsatisfying ending is believable.

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7. I tweeted to Troy regarding point #7 - no reply, yet he's taken the time to reply to other tweets. If MH was really over, he would have replied to explain, but no effort. If MH is really over, why not reply and say it instead of hiding it?


You tweeted to Troy regarding tweeting to Troy? He probably didn't reply because it was stupid.


Wow, sorry I made a typo when referencing my tweet, since I meant #6, no need to be a jerk about it. In case you haven't noticed, THAC makes its money off of MH merchandise - another season means more money. THAC's videos garner more views than most new vlogs can produce, so obviously the viewers care - they know it wouldn't matter if they're on MH's channel since it's not MH. LMAO! Yes, Troy wouldn't talk about MH ending, because maybe it would be awkward knowing its not done yet? Jessica is not a damsel in distress, she came into the series under the same premise Jay did in Season 2, and it makes sense Jessica being the lead character would help the premise of season 4, seeing as Jessica and Tim's fates weren't brought up in the reddit thread. If you don't like MH, simply get off this subforum.

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I was genuinely confused about what you meant with #7.

It would matter, since it makes no sense in-universe for the MH youtube channel to suddenly have videos uploaded to it that have nothing to do with the events of the series and couldn't have logically been uploaded by any MH character. But Trospehim know that the series will flop super hard if it's not uploaded on to an already successful channel.

Troy wouldn't talk about it because he doesn't care. This is highly evident from how he talked at length about how they had been filming, then casually mentions it's not MH related, and the manner in which he showed hesitance to talk about MH ending, believing there wasn't anything to say on the matter. Also why does Joseph say it's the end and reflect on it if it isn't really?

If you don't think Jessica's a damsel in distress, I don't know what to say. All she does is get captured or threatened by The Operator, Alex, Masky and Hoody over and over and scream. She develops symptoms of slendersickness at an incredibly rapid rate for no reason other than the plot requires her to be a damsel in distress. Jay's primary motivation for a good chunk of the series is to save her.

I agree Jessica being the lead of a season is a good idea but besides it being highly impractical for Trosephim to use a hired actress as a lead character, they've long since demonstrated that they won't ever use a female character for anything other than either someone who needs to be saved or in Sarah's case, absolutely nothing.

Come on, your madcap (probably troll) theory is fun to pick apart, don't start the "if you don't like it, get off" tedium. What's next, I can't dislike it because it's free? Accept opinions that differ from yours. Your ideas for the series are a lot more interesting than Trosephim's if that makes you feel better.

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I was genuinely confused about what you meant with #7.

It would matter, since it makes no sense in-universe for the MH youtube channel to suddenly have videos uploaded to it that have nothing to do with the events of the series and couldn't have logically been uploaded by any MH character. But Trospehim know that the series will flop super hard if it's not uploaded on to an already successful channel.

Troy wouldn't talk about it because he doesn't care. This is highly evident from how he talked at length about how they had been filming, then casually mentions it's not MH related, and the manner in which he showed hesitance to talk about MH ending, believing there wasn't anything to say on the matter. Also why does Joseph say it's the end and reflect on it if it isn't really?

If you don't think Jessica's a damsel in distress, I don't know what to say. All she does is get captured or threatened by The Operator, Alex, Masky and Hoody over and over and scream. She develops symptoms of slendersickness at an incredibly rapid rate for no reason other than the plot requires her to be a damsel in distress. Jay's primary motivation for a good chunk of the series is to save her.

I agree Jessica being the lead of a season is a good idea but besides it being highly impractical for Trosephim to use a hired actress as a lead character, they've long since demonstrated that they won't ever use a female character for anything other than either someone who needs to be saved or in Sarah's case, absolutely nothing.

Come on, your madcap (probably troll) theory is fun to pick apart, don't start the "if you don't like it, get off" tedium. What's next, I can't dislike it because it's free? Accept opinions that differ from yours. Your ideas for the series are a lot more interesting than Trosephim's if that makes you feel better.


Youtube channels make money, MH makes views. More views, more money. It doesn't matter what channel THAC's videos would be on, they wouldn't get the views MH got if they're not MH entries, unless they actually planned to make more entries in the first place. By your logic we would be assuming Jessica would be IG THAC's videos to the MH channel, which would make zero sense because THAC doesn't exist in the MH universe.

Troy talking about filming for something big on the MH channel doesn't mean he didn't care about MH supposedly "ending", because we have no idea what they're filming. You, my friend, seem to have forgotten that Troy said "No, it's not Marble Hornets 2", yet that didn't rule out Season 4, which explains why he would have been hesitant about mentioning it ending, seeing as it would not have been truly over, just on a hiatus. Perhaps Joseph was just reflecting on MH ending in the sense that Alex is dead now so he has no acting role in the series, unlike Troy who does the majority of the work including filming.

The Operator kidnaps people for a living, Alex kidnapped/attempted to kidnap her to kill her (which was not his intent to exclusively kill her), Masky and Hoody were under TO's influence, and Jessica was near TO quite a bit and had lower resistance to slendersickness, which does not make her a damsel in distress. With Jay dead and Tim gone crazy, Jessica being the lead makes sense, and she had the biggest female role to begin with.

There's a difference between accepting opinions and tolerating hateful people. You deliberately replied to troll me because you an't tolerate the thought of MH continuing, yet I'm supposedly a troll because this is what I believe in. And if that last sentence is serious, then thank you, but if my theory proves to be true, then thank Trosephim.

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Re: Why Entry 87 Probably Isn't The End
You've all been trolled

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Key Points: 1. THAC has only made individual season credits videos. If the series is now over, why not make a credits video for all 3 seasons combined?

Because there's no point in doing something like that.

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2. The ending to Entry 87 is open ended and hints at a 4th season with Jessica being the lead. This is also convenient for the set up of Jessica finding tapes containing the events that took place after Alex/TO attacked her.

Not probable since her actress doesn't live nearby. I just want Jessica to be safe like Tim wanted.

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3. THAC has already established itself outside of MH, so why are Troy, Joseph, and Tim going to be using the MH channel to make videos unrelated to MH? It defeats the purpose of THAC's main channel.

They're going to be using it for their new horror series. How much (if any) that series has to do with MH is anyone's guess, but it will not be Marble Hornets season 4.

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4. Troy has a kid now, yet he still plans on making more videos instead of taking care of his own daughter? Clearly he still has something video wise that he still cares about dearly - Like Marble Hornets?

Not sure what the point of this one is.

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5. Troy and Joseph have stated in the past that each season was meant as the last. After 3 seasons - how can we honestly believe this is it for good?

Actually we can, because when season 1 and 2 ended we knew there'd be another season. If they changed their minds sometime during season 3 (like with 1 and 2) they would have announced it. Now if they change their minds in the future that's different.

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6. Nowhere on the season 3 dvd cover does it say "The Complete Third and Final Season" - We've seen this months ago, yet Troy, Joseph, and Tim made no effort to correct this?

There's nothing to be corrected.

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OmegaTensei wrote:
Youtube channels make money, MH makes views. More views, more money. It doesn't matter what channel THAC's videos would be on, they wouldn't get the views MH got if they're not MH entries, unless they actually planned to make more entries in the first place. By your logic we would be assuming Jessica would be IG THAC's videos to the MH channel, which would make zero sense because THAC doesn't exist in the MH universe.


I have no idea what any of this means.

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Troy talking about filming for something big on the MH channel doesn't mean he didn't care about MH supposedly "ending", because we have no idea what they're filming. You, my friend, seem to have forgotten that Troy said "No, it's not Marble Hornets 2", yet that didn't rule out Season 4, which explains why he would have been hesitant about mentioning it ending, seeing as it would not have been truly over, just on a hiatus. Perhaps Joseph was just reflecting on MH ending in the sense that Alex is dead now so he has no acting role in the series, unlike Troy who does the majority of the work including filming.


When I talked about Troy's apathy towards MH, I was referring to a podcast from before the series was over. Nice insane troll logic on Joseph's very plainly stating that MH is over.

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The Operator kidnaps people for a living, Alex kidnapped/attempted to kidnap her to kill her (which was not his intent to exclusively kill her), Masky and Hoody were under TO's influence, and Jessica was near TO quite a bit and had lower resistance to slendersickness, which does not make her a damsel in distress. With Jay dead and Tim gone crazy, Jessica being the lead makes sense, and she had the biggest female role to begin with.


She got kidnapped, she got kidnapped, she got kidnapped and had lower resistance than every other main character but she's not a damsel in distress. K.

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There's a difference between accepting opinions and tolerating hateful people. You deliberately replied to troll me because you an't tolerate the thought of MH continuing, yet I'm supposedly a troll because this is what I believe in. And if that last sentence is serious, then thank you, but if my theory proves to be true, then thank Trosephim.


I'd actually like MH to continue if it meant Jessica being a lead character instead of a damsel in distress. I just know it's not going to happen because they've very plainly stated that MH is over. Also I was serious, as you want a female character to be something more than a damsel in distress. Give yourself more credit, it's blatant that Jessica only ever was and only ever will be somebody to scream and need to be saved as far as Trosephim are concerned.

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I'm positive MH is over. And even if it wasn't, I wouldn't want Jessica as the lead, because I never had a reason to really care about her.

Seriously, they brought her back from the presumed dead to say "look, she's fine", only to make her fate ambiguous again two minutes later. What the hell?

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Re: Why Entry 87 Probably Isn't The End
You've all been trolled

OmegaTensei wrote:
1. THAC has only made individual season credits videos. If the series is now over, why not make a credits video for all 3 seasons combined?

What's the point if individual credits are already done for Seasons 1 and 2?
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2. The ending to Entry 87 is open ended and hints at a 4th season with Jessica being the lead. This is also convenient for the set up of Jessica finding tapes containing the events that took place after Alex/TO attacked her.

It doesn't hint at a fourth season at all unless Jessica picks up the camera and writes "This is Jessica and I'm going to solve this." Ambiguous endings are an actual thing.
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3. THAC has already established itself outside of MH, so why are Troy, Joseph, and Tim going to be using the MH channel to make videos unrelated to MH? It defeats the purpose of THAC's main channel.

The creators have said the series will explain how it's tied into MH. OOG, it's likely a way to attract viewers.
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4. Troy has a kid now, yet he still plans on making more videos instead of taking care of his own daughter? Clearly he still has something video wise that he still cares about dearly - Like Marble Hornets?

What? Besides Joseph's gaming videos, Joseph Learns A Lesson, and a few Nature Breaks, Troy hasn't made anything remotely huge ever since MH ended.
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5. Troy and Joseph have stated in the past that each season was meant as the last. After 3 seasons - how can we honestly believe this is it for good?

Because they've said it's the end. By now, we would have a Season 4. (one may argue the 7 month gap before Season 2, but there was no mention of the series at all by the creators)
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6. Nowhere on the season 3 dvd cover does it say "The Complete Third and Final Season" - We've seen this months ago, yet Troy, Joseph, and Tim made no effort to correct this?

What's the point?
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7. I tweeted to Troy regarding point #7 - no reply, yet he's taken the time to reply to other tweets. If MH was really over, he would have replied to explain, but no effort. If MH is really over, why not reply and say it instead of hiding it?

Because they've probably answered that question too many times.

This discussion is pointless.
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Troy and Joseph are totally capable of writing females who aren't damsels in distress. Jessica, Amy, and Sarah all fucking left town and they decided at that point it was too late to introduce a lot of new characters. But they've said they wanted to bring them back, it just didn't get to happen. Also, Jessica isn't ever a damsel. Masky knocks her out and puts her somewhere else. By that logic Jay is a damsel too in Entry #19 and Entry #61 and like a million other entries where he is moved somewhere against his will.

Jessica is a badass against Alex in Entry #76.

And if Jessica is a damsel then so is Alex. Jay doesn't know where they are for a while, but neither or them are "captured" or "need to be saved". Jay litetally wants to find out if Alex needs any help, and later he has the same motivation with Jessica. But there's nothing damsel-ish about it.

As for Alex looking for Amy in Season 2, it's later implied he's already murdered her. The same is implied about Sarah and Seth as far as their being missing goes. None of those characters are damsels. There are no damsels in Marble Hornets. Jay kinda thinks there are damsels at some points, but even that's kinda missing the point. Jay wants to get down to the bottom of the mystery and all the various people he's "saving" are like excuses. The story is made more interesting in that nobody actually needs saving.

With Jessica it turns out she actually got her shit together better than any of those characters, and even with her fate left ambiguous you're left with the idea that Tim was keeping Jay away from her because he didn't actually need to help her, and really shouldn't have.

But yeah anyway Marble Hornets is totally over.
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Aren't you some kind of troll?
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I don't really wanna debate and this is derailing so I'll keep this very short.

The difference is Jessica never does anything other than display damsel in distress qualities. Even after her badass moment, she's immediately punished for trying to be anything except a damsel by getting slendernapped. With such poorly handled female characters, it would've been better if they had never been introduced in the first place, as to get around how little they could be used, they were made to be damsel in distress figures for a long time, and if they ever became something different it was something similarly trite like a name on the list of victims who's barely mentioned or someone who has no idea what's going on.

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