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Pararnormal entities, actors, and Scooby-Doo villians.
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Kilo
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Yea, yea, I know. To be totally fair, I made a disclaimer saying the whole sight/sound thing was reaching a bit too far, even for my tastes, I just needed to put it down before I lost the thought. It seems to be going away from that as well- the previous two TTA videos are seriously breaking from the usual style of things, which could be interpreted a bunch of different ways.

I don't know, I'm trying to form the big picture here. That's what I'm trying to accomplish from all this. Some people get hung up on small, almost irrelevant details in the entries, but I want to have a serious discussion on everything.

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Chief Poirot
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Kilo wrote:

The face in Messages is Tim's (I'd pretty much give an 80% guarantee on that). TTA led J to the house twice. Either J found what TTA needed, or TTA is writing the house off as a lost cause- which seems plausible. TTA gave J the tip the first time to go there, but J fucked up. TTA sent him a second time, and Mask was there to run interference- the house is compromised, so to speak. So, TTA is leading J to Tim, to find something else.


I agree with you on that. As far as TTA is concerned, the house isn't an option anymore. Tim's the next lead he's giving to J.
Now, since it's highly unlikely that TTA is EFG, I need to modify my theory. I'm sticking with TTA=Alex for now, I think.

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AsylumSeeker
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Do we have any indication at all that TTA even knows about Slenderman? It's pretty easy to assume he does because he seems to be the player with the most knowledge about what's going on but what if he doesn't? Have we decided what TTA is? Human, Slenderlike creature, other?

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AsylumSeeker wrote:
Do we have any indication at all that TTA even knows about Slenderman? It's pretty easy to assume he does because he seems to be the player with the most knowledge about what's going on but what if he doesn't? Have we decided what TTA is? Human, Slenderlike creature, other?

Well, it's assumption that TTA's not Slenderman or something like it, because Slenderman uploading videos to Youtube seems very "out-of-character" (best way I could phrase it).
Human, as far as we know. I seriously doubt that TTA is anything other than human. Also, seeing how TTA has access to several of the entry's missing audio and video from the area, as long as possible references to Slenderman (the S anyone?), I think it's consensus that TTA knows about Slenderman. Now, the extent of that knowledge is up for debate for sure.

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at the very least we can assume he's watched some of the entries >_>
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And the raw footage from Marble Hornets. And, for that matter, he would have to know who "knows more than they're telling" and what, exactly, they're not telling. And, seeing how Alex's torment by Slendy is essentially the crux of this story, that means that TTA knows about Slendy and what happened.

Of course, technically it's speculation, but it's logical that TTA would know what he's commenting about, hinting at J about, and the background to all of this. That's why I think TTA is Alex. Someone (Ramsey, I think) made the excellent point that Alex is the only (known) person to have had access to MH's raw footage, and Alex's personal tapes and would have motive for stripping Slender Man-involving material from them. Also, when I was rewatching some of the older entries at my school (i forgot which one exactly) one of J's comments in it says that it the audio seemed to be removed by Alex. of course, that has it's own questions and theories on to it as well.

Okay, I went on a little rant. Sorry about that, but my point was that TTA would have to know about this entire thing. Not sure if I even made sense.

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The fact that Alex had raw footage wouldn't shut out the Unnamed Camera Dude, though. Remember, he was there running the camera, perhaps doing other things that we don't know about yet.

It's not a popular theory, but coincidence or not, I'm sticking to the theory that UCD is more likely to be TTA than Alex.

Anyway, I've been intermittently thinking about how SM is no longer the main focus of the videos. TTA is. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it is interesting. Though, as much as I like TTA, I really hope that SM regains a starring role in the project. He was the inspiration, and therefore the core of the work. I'm really hoping the creators don't dispense with the intrigue of SM's involvement just to focus on TTA.

In layman's language, I want more Slender Man, damnit!

But technically it does make me wonder what the direction of the series is. Do the creators even know the answer to this? I'm just hoping they integrate the plotlines of TTA and SM really well.

Maybe I'm just feeling cynical right now.

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TheAtroxious wrote:
The fact that Alex had raw footage wouldn't shut out the Unnamed Camera Dude, though. Remember, he was there running the camera, perhaps doing other things that we don't know about yet.

It's not a popular theory, but coincidence or not, I'm sticking to the theory that UCD is more likely to be TTA than Alex.

Anyway, I've been intermittently thinking about how SM is no longer the main focus of the videos. TTA is. I'm not sure what to make of that, but it is interesting. Though, as much as I like TTA, I really hope that SM regains a starring role in the project. He was the inspiration, and therefore the core of the work. I'm really hoping the creators don't dispense with the intrigue of SM's involvement just to focus on TTA.

In layman's language, I want more Slender Man, damnit!

But technically it does make me wonder what the direction of the series is. Do the creators even know the answer to this? I'm just hoping they integrate the plotlines of TTA and SM really well.

Maybe I'm just feeling cynical right now.


Eh, I'd like to see a little more with the UCD before I consider him as TTA. I'm not saying it isn't him, I think it would still be a great thing (and probably work out better) if TTA is UCD. But, I'm still leaning for Alex.

I think that TTA has become the focus recently because that's the only real part of this that we can interact with. We couldn't really "get our hands dirty" with J's first entries. We were just strictly watching. But, with TTA, we can at least think we're decoding something, or analyzing something. But I agree fully with you Atroxious. I want more Slendy, and I want him now.

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i guess that's the big problem with this site, if something isn't actually, strictly speaking an arg, they jump on anything even slightly puzzlesome and analyse it to the extreme
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chaos wrote:
i guess that's the big problem with this site, if something isn't actually, strictly speaking an arg, they jump on anything even slightly puzzlesome and analyse it to the extreme

mhmm

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Kilo
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RIP theory.

Oh sleep deprivation, you fickle mistress.

I guess my theory is still a tad salvageable.

Look at Entry 19 specifically, Mask seems to have some SM-esque powers. He seems to project some kind of god damn field that interferes with electronic equipment, he can get inside places rather surreptitiously (Mask in 18 and 19, SM in 11 and 14). And then again we delve into physical traits- well, the mask. Much in same fashion as SM, there seems to be a lack of them- nothing distinctive, besides the lack of distinction.

While my whole mythology bit I'm just gonna toss out the window, I'm going to stand by my theory that TTA, Mask, and SM are all separate entities.

I know I've been going "Guys, MH has the subtlety of a hammer, stop trying to look for stuff that isn't there", but I think TTA called out Mask and J with Messages.

TTA called out J about the whole taping himself thing. Which seems like a big deal, because Alex did the same thing and look what happened to him. Granted, no one was surprised by this, but hey. TTA called out Mask as well- smile for the camera, with a picture of Tim. What does Mask do? Close-up on the camera!

Also, I'm starting to think that TTA is not so much a person as it may be a group of people. I say this for two reason: "Tell us", and the style of videos seem to change drastically. Let's not forget that TTA's age is/was listed as 79- perhaps a combination of all the ages of people involved? Could be a red herring, like everything else.

Of course, that's interpretation. There are obviously many more (Like Messages was a threat on Tim), but whatever.

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Kilo
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Christ, this whole thing is giving me a headache.

So, I'm basically dropping the idea that Mask and TTA are separate. You have TTA and SM, and that seems to be it for crazy paranormal action. And, honestly? I think they're working together. Mask shows up in J's room, J disappears, we have J in a house, looking worse for wear, SM walks by on camera, the camera is obviously moving so someone is holding it which means it's TTA...

Yea, I'm about to throw my hat in and say that Alex is TTA. I give up, all this speculation is killing me.

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Kilo
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I'm going to drag this topic out of the gutter after almost a year, and stand by the original post. Maybe not everything afterwards, though.

The first thing I want to touch on is the whole mythology about the sight/sound thing. Now that more things have come up, I really think it's a possibility. A good majority of stuff to do with TTA has to do with audio in some way. I know it's visual morse code, but morse code originated as way of communicating via audio, right? And then in Warning "The following are raw footage excerpts of ALex Kralie". As someone else pointed out: TALK. And then various things of listen closely, like "listen closely" comes to mind.

And a lot of stuff having to do with the Operator has to do with sight. I want to mention the doll again: it had eyes, right? The Operator very distinctly lacks facial features. And then everything else- "SEES ME" "FORGET WHAT I SEE".

I also find it interesting that almost everything having to do with the Operator screws with the audio (I know it messes with the video, but that usually doesn't get it as bad as the audio [I should also mention that I know it's not a consistent thing at all]), while TTA has gotten footage of the Operator twice. Maybe the Operator makes it so TTA can't hear, while TTA makes it so the Operator can't see? It'd certainly be interesting if that was the case in Entry 15- we see a visual tear, which is usually indicative of the Operator's presence, but TTA was also there, sort of "protecting" J.

You'll have to forgive me if I get some details wrong or paraphrase, I'm drawing on memory right now.

But let's ignore that bit for now (I'm only mentioning it for the slight possibility of vindication later on down the road).

I still stand by initial assessment of TTA and the Operator being separate entities working against each other. I know that the last few entries from TTA kind of work against that- particularly Warning, with the mask and "Smile for death". I can't help but wonder if that was directed towards the Operator and his minions- the guy in the mask looked pretty bewildered. What if TTA utilized his own powers and captured a different Mask?

Entry ###### makes me wonder if they weren't addressing totheark, though. "You will lead us, totheark" "You will lead us to the ark".

What if he was saying that TTA will lead them, to where ever he wants to go?

Forgive me for dragging up such an old topic- I've been out of the UF loop for about 10 months, but I've been staying up with MH, and the new picture inspired me to return.

EDIT: I just remembered in Addition. "SEE YOU"

Or whatever it was. Dammit.

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I like how us MH-fans are all like "OOH, it's so deep. OOH deep analysis".

Yeah, how come Masky lunges at Jay when he goes into the house?

If Tim is Masky, why doesn't he just tell Jay in a non-cryptic way, but still secretive?

Why does Masky have to creep Jay out in order to send him a message?

Why the hell didn't Alex and Jay just STAY WITH PEOPLE, rather than run around alone at night time, with cameras?

I reckon we all have to go back to asking the basic questions.

The hows, whys and whoms. Smile

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ViolentViolet wrote:
Why the hell didn't Alex and Jay just STAY WITH PEOPLE, rather than run around alone at night time, with cameras?


I got "House of Leaves" as a gift recently, and in the book, the reaction to "unseen knowledge" is isolation. I think the idea is that the unseen world consumes you, and you can't function in the real world. Alex seems to be obsessed with finding the unseen Operator, and his obsession drives everyone else away. In order to understand the truth behind Alex's tragedy, Jay has to immerse himself into the unseen world and (as a consequence) suffers for it in the physical world.

ViolentViolet wrote:
If Tim is Masky, why doesn't he just tell Jay in a non-cryptic way, but still secretive?


As far as I can tell, Masky is the end result of being consumed by the "unseen truth". Since that truth belongs to that other world, it is not something that can be communicated. Let's say one of your IRL friends told you there was an otherworldly monster stalking around the woods, and he needed to scribble on paper and film himself to stay safe - you would think he was crazy (as his logic does not belong to the real world). The only way you would really believe him is if you too were immersed in that alternate logic. Masky is trying to force Jay's mind into perceiving the world through that alternate logic so that he can communicate with him.

ViolentViolet wrote:
Why does Masky have to creep Jay out in order to send him a message?


Shaking up Jay's life forces him deeper into isolation, and deeper into researching the Operator and Alex (to understand what's happening). This research brings him one step closer to thinking like Masky.

ViolentViolet wrote:
How come Masky lunges at Jay when he goes into the house?


Jay wanted to meet someone from the Marble Hornets crew (Alex or Brian) in person. His real-life logic tells him that this should clear up some of the mystery. Masky's "attack" makes it clear that it's not going to be that simple.

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