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Those answers are so awesome. XD Morscata, you are my favorite.

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Well played, Morscata.

I have another few questions.

Do you think that Masky intentionally screws up the footage with his face, or is it just an effect of something else..? If so, then we have to figure out WHY distortion is important.

Of course, it's a way to get Jay's attention when he looks through the films, but there has to be another reason why..

This is what I mean when I say going back to the basic questions. For Alex, Jay, Masky, TTA, Tim (treating them as separate for this moment), even slendy..

What are their motives? What are they doing to achieve this?

I doubt Slendy's the type of villain who 'just wants to eat y'all' orwants20dollaz , so we should really figure out what he wants, and why Alex, why Jay? Why "Marble Hornets", as a production?

I don't think that such a unique title would take centre stage for no absolute reason other than it was Alex's abandoned production.. There's something significant about the name or the production itself that is really very easy to overlook..

Why would Masky OR TTA care so much about Jay that they/he would send him messages, cryptic hints etc. Try to drive him away from Slendy, or towards "figuring it all out"?


Man I feel so useless, coming up with questions and no answers.. but I feel that they're an essential part of solving the mysteries...

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ViolentViolet wrote:
Well played, Morscata.

I have another few questions.


Ooh, OOH! I wanna' try one! Very Happy

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Do you think that Masky intentionally screws up the footage with his face, or is it just an effect of something else..? If so, then we have to figure out WHY distortion is important.


I think that the reason the footage has been distorted is either because of influence by the Operator (Unknown motives) or because Masky views himself as "imperfect" or "unclean" and the distortion is an attempt of hiding that fact.
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lifegospel wrote:

I think that the reason the footage has been distorted is either because of influence by the Operator (Unknown motives) or because Masky views himself as "imperfect" or "unclean" and the distortion is an attempt of hiding that fact.


Yeah but why is it so significant? Distortion, I mean.

He really makes a point of being like "JAY, LOOK. THE CAMERA GETS SCREWY WHEN I LOOK AT IT." & I think there are clues interspersed between the entries..

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a. Entry 15 (I think) when Tim is interviewed, for the sake of this argument I'm going to assume that Masky is Tim.. It doesn't distort. I think it's because he doesn't look straight at the camera; Jay only films him from the neck down for the interview, and when he encounters Tim in the hallway, there is no eye contact.

b. When Masky breaks into Jay's room, he looks straight into the camera & basically, it fucks up.

c. In Warning, I think it's another clue.. His eyes dance around and the picture is clear.. he stares straight, and it's blurry. It's no coincidence.


d. The Operator symbol, could either mean;

i. No visible face. As in Slendy has no face, and Masky doesn't have one either, it's always hidden.

ii. No eyes.


Also, another thought. It's said that pictures/film capture the soul. Perhaps it's distorted to show Jay the corruption, or lack of his own soul..

Eyes are the 'window to the soul', aren't they? Just speculating procrastinating at work .

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OH GOD. Sorry for the flooding of this thread.. But I'm in the mood for MH hysteria..

I just re-watched Entry #12. I think that this is the first sighting of Slenderman. Everyone (Brian and Alex, who are actually in the shot) seems to be pretty calm about it. The camera man even says "Can we uh.. get him off the set?" or something to that effect. There also seems to be a female voice asking "What's he doing?".

Could be Jessica, jus' sayin'.

That leaves unnamed cameraman.

The fact that Alex and Brian are the only ones in the shot has got to mean something.

Also in Entry 3, all the tapes are of post-Slendysighting Alex.
The first tape that we see, is of him ripping up magazines (the shreds of which are on the floor when Jay goes to the abandoned house). We have to consider the significance of this.. Maybe he was ripping up their faces, as if it were some sort of attraction for Slendy.


crackpot theory: Maybe Slendy wants faces 'cuz you know.. He doesn't have one.
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ViolentViolet wrote:
OH GOD. Sorry for the flooding of this thread.. But I'm in the mood for MH hysteria..

I just re-watched Entry #12. I think that this is the first sighting of Slenderman. Everyone (Brian and Alex, who are actually in the shot) seems to be pretty calm about it. The camera man even says "Can we uh.. get him off the set?" or something to that effect. There also seems to be a female voice asking "What's he doing?".

Could be Jessica, jus' sayin'.

That leaves unnamed cameraman.

The fact that Alex and Brian are the only ones in the shot has got to mean something.

Also in Entry 3, all the tapes are of post-Slendysighting Alex.
The first tape that we see, is of him ripping up magazines (the shreds of which are on the floor when Jay goes to the abandoned house). We have to consider the significance of this.. Maybe he was ripping up their faces, as if it were some sort of attraction for Slendy.


crackpot theory: Maybe Slendy wants faces 'cuz you know.. He doesn't have one.


I think its always been assumed that the girl in this Entry is Sarah, as she was part of the cast of Marble Hornets.
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VV wrote:
Do you think that Masky intentionally screws up the footage with his face, or is it just an effect of something else..? If so, then we have to figure out WHY distortion is important.


It could be that rather than his face being a trigger, it could be that there is a certain intention behind the video and audio distortion. Remember that the presence of the Operator causes physical symptoms, as well, so it could be that what Masky is doing in #19 is causing some kind of physical phenomena to Jay, which is being caught as distortion on the camera, and then when he looks at the screen he is causing the disturbance to the camera itself. When Tim is being interviewed, his intent seems to be to lay low, hence not causing any distortion.

Whether or not it is Masky's intention and residue from his encounters with the Operator, or something that's being channeled through the Operator, remains to be seen.

VV wrote:
What are their motives? What are they doing to achieve this?


Alex: Alex has caught something horrific on camera that is now intent upon causing him harm, whether the harm is the focus of the Operator, or incidental to the Operator's curious presence. He knows that he is losing time and memories, feels that he can't trust anybody (if we're bickering about who is Masky, TTA, etc. Imagine how Alex must have felt!) Filming himself was the only way that he could retain his memories. It appears that Alex went through an investigative phase that ended abruptly when the stakes grew too high. Everyone went missing (whether that means dead or mentally unavailable) and his very life might have been in the balance. He cut and ran because he valued his life over understanding and defeating the horror that was consuming him.

Jay: We are missing a good chunk of Jay's time on the set of Marble Hornets. We know that he was a script supervisor and he helped Alex scout out locations. We know that they were decent friends before the Operator showed up. We know that Jay is implicated as being involved as a victim, given how much he seems to have forgotten. Going back to the setup of the student film, he appears not to have been aware of the trouble... but we don't know that for sure. At present (or at least at the time that he began uploading footage!) Jay was motivated by a post about Slender Man on the Something Awful forums; he started looking through the footage and finding unsettling evidence that gave indication as to why Alex bailed. Wanting to find out where Alex went and what happened to cause it, he was drawn deeper into the investigation and eventually realized that he had had some part to play in the earlier setting. Suddenly, with strange thing happening to him as well, Jay was motivated to back out, and tried to do so. Forces beyond his control didn't allow this, so he decided to resume his search and finish it off for good.

Now that he's lost the last seven months, who can be sure what he'll do? I'm sure that at this point he just wants to know what happened so that he can get his bearings in order to move on... and to that extent, investigating the hotel and Jessica and the puzzles therein seem like a better option than running away, especially given that he has nowhere to run away to.

Masky: We see Masky appear in the house in #18 to tackle Jay, then invade Jay's home in #19 to make him disappear and smile for the camera. We see him in #23, briefly checking in on Jay and then running into a room that sends Jay on this strange teleportation-like escapades, then in Warning to give befuddled, paranoid gestures. Lastly we see him in ######; he's approaching the camera through a boundary of blinds, tossing his head crazily, and is accompanied by direct text... 'control is being taken away from you; I'm coming for you, and you will lead me to the ark.'

It seems that his motivations here are largely to guard and to guide. He forces Jay to halt his investigation on the house, but Jay winds up mysteriously in his car. He appears as if to take Jay back to the house (in Return, I think) but then Jay wakes up back in his own bed. He leads Jay into the warp-door rooms and then into the heart of the Operator's territory, leaving his mask behind as a warning or a gift (or both.) He seems to want to pull Jay deeper into the mystery and to get at the heart of it, though whether that's for good or for ill remains to be seen. Masky (as a separate entity) is working with Totheark, and it would seem that their goals are similar. He is the manual labour of the pair if they are different people.

TTA: TTA largely posts clues and footage that Jay is missing, from puzzles, to footage that must have come from Alex's collection (whether he got it from Alex himself, or from Jay after the fact is unknown!) to direct warnings, invitations, and instructions. TTA's motives seem largely to be to manipulate Jay to get fully involved in his investigation -- and in ###### he demands that Jay lead him to the ark. Again, whether this is for good or for ill really depends on if the ark is a place that is safe for Jay and Alex and their group, or if it is a place that is safe for the likes of the Operator. That's something that we don't yet know. Regardless, the way that TTA addresses Jay shows a certain amount of condescension and manipulation, meaning that, whoever he is, he doesn't have a lot of respect for Jay, and may not much value Jay's life, so much as he is using him as a tool to achieve his own goals. If he and Masky are separate, he is the brains of the operation.

Tim: While he doesn't seem particularly impressed with Alex's project, Tim seems like he was in a similar place to Jay during the filming of the movie; he was there, he was mutual friends with Brian to Alex, but he doesn't remember much of what happened. He seems to have been suffering from similar effects of whatever influence they were under to Jay. At the time of the interview, the way that he was acting suggested that he just wanted to stay out of it. So I don't know if we can prescribe any motives to Tim if he isn't linked to Masky or TTA; as a character he is fairly innocuous, just like Seth or Sarah or Brian. And we know that something shady happened to Seth and Brian, though Sarah dropped off the radar without so much as a 'hmm, what happened to her?' so those are largely unknowns.

The Operator: His interest in the group seems to focus largely on Alex; when it comes to Jay, the Operator does not directly interact with him unless Jay goes to him -- as we see in Return, #23, and potentially in #24. Meanwhile, he was all over Alex from the earlier tapes, and showed up immediately in #26 when the camera focused on him. His motive seems to be to get at Alex, though whether or not that's to directly cause him harm, or because [s]he wants to be BFF's[/s] he's simply attached to him somehow is unknown. Whether he is using TTA (and Masky, if separate, or even just using various cast-members) to get at Alex is probably the biggest question. Is he even capable of that kind of finesse? Or are the antics of TTA (and the others, if necessary) being done to subvert the Operator's actions; are they helping Alex or drawing him to a worse fate?

VV wrote:
I don't think that such a unique title would take centre stage for no absolute reason other than it was Alex's abandoned production.. There's something significant about the name or the production itself that is really very easy to overlook..


Out of Character, the makers admitted to creating 'Marble Hornets' as a name at random. In Character, I'm not sure that the name itself is significant, so much as that it was attached to Alex and the Operator is attached to Alex, now, too. Perhaps if we see Alex later, there will be some deeper admission about its origins, but I don't know that we need to analyze the title at the current time. There isn't much to link to it!

VV wrote:
Why would Masky OR TTA care so much about Jay that they/he would send him messages, cryptic hints etc. Try to drive him away from Slendy, or towards "figuring it all out"?


Obviously they were all involved from the beginning. As I mentioned above, TTA/Masky are helping to dig Jay deeper into the investigation to the point where he can't get out again. He's probably the domino that TTA/Masky needs to set things in motion, is what I'm guessing. I doubt that he has an idea of how to help Jay stay safe and the like, though I'm sure that he doesn't want Jay dead quite yet!

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Dray wrote:
the best character profiles for these guys ever


This should go on the wiki O.o It's a really complete picture of the motivations going on here, free from speculation. Just sayin'.

Also I wanted to comment that VV's theory about Alex ripping up the magazine pictures to destroy their faces is really interesting. Going on with the idea that Tim's face distorts the camera, whether deliberate or not, this could almost be some kind of.... i don't quite know the word, but some kind of reminder for himself from Alex. If he's forgetting things and relying on his camera to make everything clear for him, maybe it's a token- Alex sees the ripped up pictures, he thinks of blurred faces, he knows whoever it is whose face ruins his camera is someone he can't trust?

This is all speculation, of course.
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Dray wrote:
Masky:... It seems that his motivations here are largely to guard and to guide.


Perhaps, but it also seems like he wants something out of Jay, with the whole "we will wait no longer, you will lead me to the ark" thing

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I think that while Masky/TTA wants something out of Jay, he knows that Jay isn't going to give it freely; he's forgotten everything so he needs to have his head dunked into the proverbial toilet a few times to clear his mind.

Re: ripped up faces in magazines, don't forget all of the (X)'s scrawled on Alex's wall-full-of-crazy. They might not all represent the Operator!

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Dray wrote:

TTA: TTA largely posts clues and footage that Jay is missing, from puzzles, to footage that must have come from Alex's collection (whether he got it from Alex himself, or from Jay after the fact is unknown!) to direct warnings, invitations, and instructions. TTA's motives seem largely to be to manipulate Jay to get fully involved in his investigation -- and in ###### he demands that Jay lead him to the ark. Again, whether this is for good or for ill really depends on if the ark is a place that is safe for Jay and Alex and their group, or if it is a place that is safe for the likes of the Operator. That's something that we don't yet know. Regardless, the way that TTA addresses Jay shows a certain amount of condescension and manipulation, meaning that, whoever he is, he doesn't have a lot of respect for Jay, and may not much value Jay's life, so much as he is using him as a tool to achieve his own goals. If he and Masky are separate, he is the brains of the operation.

Obviously they were all involved from the beginning. As I mentioned above, TTA/Masky are helping to dig Jay deeper into the investigation to the point where he can't get out again. He's probably the domino that TTA/Masky needs to set things in motion, is what I'm guessing. I doubt that he has an idea of how to help Jay stay safe and the like, though I'm sure that he doesn't want Jay dead quite yet!


Geez Dray, way to make me look stupid.
Nah, but seriously, that is some good stuff. It is a good idea to put that all on the Wiki..

From what you say, TTA treats Jay somewhat like a scape goat, i.e. "YOU DO THIS SO I DON'T HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES," which brings me to forming 2 theories;

Theory #1. Masky and TTA are seperate. TTA is a powerful, intelligent force that coerces Masky and Jay to do his bidding. Masky then becomes a symbol of what can happen if you dig too deep, what with the distortion and all.

Theory #2. TTA or Masky could be pressuring Jay to find Alex, not because they want to fight or capture Slenderman, but Alex might have something that both/all three parties want. While Theory #1 can still be true, Masky's distortion-y, sneaky, filmy, having-access-to-Alex-and-Jay's-tapes-y powers are then more likely to be tools, rather than products.

So Masky becomes more like a "LOOK WHAT I CAN DO, YOU CAN TOO!" figure..

I have a habit of putting people's motives in caps..
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I'm under the impression that the teleportation, black outs, and audio/video distortions are all things the Operator controls/creates. But Masky/TTA also seems to be able to use them too, this leads me to believe there are rules to controlling it. I think the operator symbol and the insane scribbles (possibly the slender doll and pills) all play a part in controlling these phenomenons. When Jay is running through the house there is a dry erase board, next to a door that he runs through repeatedly, with the operator symbol on it. Alex seemed to be scribbling on those papers to ward off Slenderman (that didn't seem to work). The pills, I think, have been Ibuprofen the whole time, and they're just used to lessen the pain of slenderification. The slender doll... eh... points to doors (for... teleportation)? There has to be some sort of interface for humans to use to control these powers. Jay hasn't figured any of it out yet, as he keeps running haphazardly through it all, but I think he's starting to understand there are rules.

Teleportation: involves doors and not being seen.
Audio/visual distortion: involves the presence of someone who controls the phenomenon.
Black outs: ???

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I'm to the persuasion that TTA and masky are one and the same I also believe that TTA is against theSM/ operator. Taking what little we know about the Operator, what can we come to the conclusion of?

First of all, it seems to be able to somehow 'skip' through our realm of existence, going from one place to another in the blink of an eye. I say this because in one of the entries the slender man is seen entering the room, but when Alex wakes up presumably finds nothing. link to the entry coming, it eludes me at the moment.

Second; it could be speculated that it has some form of weakness in regards to cameras both with a single frame ability and video. While on the video the Slender man has moved slowly, retaining a human-like movement and bound to the solid walls and doors that bar its path. This is also supported by the fact that Alex had become obsessed with filming, perhaps to hold the Slender Man still as opposed to recording what happened.

Third; Locked doors and windows don't seem to bar its path. When on camera it is seen standing outside the door, unable to enter. It can be assumed that later in the night it entered the house, but this remains speculation.

Fourth; There may or may not be more than one of them, which would make the teleportation theory mostly obsolete.

The last one I have is that the SM has some way of locating his prey, this is unclear as Alex made his escape, but seems fairly reasonable that it has to do with film as the first time alex is near a camera SM shows up.

I also think that the video distortion is completely TTA/ Masky, because the video doesn't screw up when its just the operator. It is possible as well, however, that TTA is wanted by the operator as a means of getting around the restrictions placed on him by cameras.

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Dray wrote:


Masky: We see Masky appear in the house in #18 to tackle Jay, then invade Jay's home in #19 to make him disappear and smile for the camera. We see him in #23, briefly checking in on Jay and then running into a room that sends Jay on this strange teleportation-like escapades, then in Warning to give befuddled, paranoid gestures. Lastly we see him in ######; he's approaching the camera through a boundary of blinds, tossing his head crazily, and is accompanied by direct text... 'control is being taken away from you; I'm coming for you, and you will lead me to the ark.'

It seems that his motivations here are largely to guard and to guide. He forces Jay to halt his investigation on the house, but Jay winds up mysteriously in his car. He appears as if to take Jay back to the house (in Return, I think) but then Jay wakes up back in his own bed. He leads Jay into the warp-door rooms and then into the heart of the Operator's territory, leaving his mask behind as a warning or a gift (or both.) He seems to want to pull Jay deeper into the mystery and to get at the heart of it, though whether that's for good or for ill remains to be seen. Masky (as a separate entity) is working with Totheark, and it would seem that their goals are similar. He is the manual labour of the pair if they are different people.


I disagree with you there. In the event of this being a "faction" war, so to speak, I think Masky(s?) fall on the side of the Operator. Visual clues seem to lead towards this (The mask, the doll), but more importantly, Masky seems to run interception on tasks that TTA sends Jay on.

Let's not forget, in the first visit to the house, TTA was actually there as seen by "Addition". But he didn't reveal himself, and Jay didn't accomplish what TTA needed him to while he was there. So he sends him back- but Masky is there to interfere. And...


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TTA kind of dimes Masky (And Tim by proxy, if you believe that Tim is Masky) out. In Messages, TTA says tell us, you've been keeping secrets, yadda yadda yadda (And, interestingly enough, has a picture of Tim's face below the eyes, which could be some kind of symbolism involving him being blind or something, but that's tangential), which prompts Jay to check the video footage. He sees Mask in the room, which puts him on full alert and could potentially ruin whatever plans they have. Granted, you can make the argument that Jay would've checked the tapes anyway, but maybe TTA prompted to check it sooner? Kind of an "Oh shit" response, which could've saved him from whatever they had planned for him.

And he still does that weird sleep walking thing, but maybe it was enough.

And I do think the difference between "Warning" and "######" is enough to make the argument that TTA captured a Mask, and ##### is the Operator (Or, a Mask) sending a message to TTA.

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I really wanted to wait until TTA's response to bring this up, but since I can't sleep (Surprise!), I may as well bring this up now.

OK, so, J mentions that he believes he's involved with something dangerous. And I believe the same thing, J has unwittingly gotten involved with something way bigger than himself.

I guess the first thing I want to talk about is TTA. I really wanted to wait until TTA's response for this thread, because I feel like it could make or break everything I'm about to type.

Ready for this? TTA is its own entity, and is an equal with SM in the scheme of things.

TTA seems to be after something. TTA needs something. That's why he's interacting with J right now. Let's not forget, that J's sole goal in life is to find Alex, but that didn't become his goal until entry 14. Before that, J was just putting up the strange clips he found in Alex's videos. TTA got involved way before J wanted to find Alex. Hell, TTA got involved way before Alex even went crazy, looking at Exit. TTA seems deeply involved with SM, and he's also a little weird. I'm pretty sure TTA gave Alex the anonymous tip to go to the house the first time, and then he encourages him to go back- but in a way that seems more desperate than his previous messages.

SM is after something as well. Again, no one knows what. But the presence of Mask seems to give an indicator that someone is working above/with/below SM. The doll wasn't there the first time (Well, OK, that's not exactly concrete, he could've easily missed it) and now there's some guy wearing something that shares similar features as SM? (SM doesn't not have facial features, just vague silhouettes of where they should be, and the mask is... well, look at it). Something is very obviously up. There is a connection between Mask and SM, I can almost promise you, and neither one is TTA. I can also almost guarantee that Mask is probably a minion of SM. Whether it's of his own will (A cult thing, if you will), some kind of fucked up mind control or what, I have no idea.

The relationship between TTA and SM is some kind of war between the two. They're trying to move against each other, to prevent one from accomplishing some objective. And they do this by employing "players" for them. Look at J and Mask. J went to the house- TTA needed him to find something in the house. J was safe the first time- hell, TTA was there, maybe that's why he was safe- but the second time, Mask was there to run interception for SM. He interfered with J, kept him from finding whatever it was he was supposed to find.


Jeez, that's what I've been TELLING people since the start. Guess it takes a whole thread to get taken seriously around here. X.X

Your explanation is just more long winded than mine.

Eheh, anyway, it looks like the two of us are stuck here for the night. I'm going to be bothering you guys until I can win that damned eBay bid. Guh.


Attroxious this is somewhat OT but what is that image from O_O its creepy and I saw the video before but by gosh things on /x/ fly in one ear and out the next.

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