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TheAtroxious
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gordon_ramsay wrote:

Shaoken wrote:

tetsuyabh wrote:

I posted this is the "Messages" thread, but just to cover bases, I'll post it here, too:

It says "Smile for the camera" because Tim is an actor.

The face is definitely Tim's, debate over.

No, it's not. The TTA face has no sideburns, is showing teeth and has a different v-neck style shirt. The only similarities between the two is that the head is on a similar angle, and that proves nothing.

You may be a guest, but THANK YOU.

Christ, people. Use your eyes and look. Stop trying to get a frame-for-frame identicality. Use your eyes and look. And think about it.

Okay, for one, just because that face is in the video doesn't mean that it is the face of TTA. You can put people other than yourself in videos you've made, right? So why can't TTA?

Secondly, the face is faded. Adjust your brightness and contrast and look again. The face does have sideburns. And look at the structure. Now whose face does the general structure look like? I think only one person we know has that face.

Sorry if I seem rude, but lately it seems that people have been making crazy theories for no apparent reason, without ever actually thinking about what they are saying or looking into things more.

K4V101 wrote:

chaos wrote:

why do some of yez call him ToT anyway?

nickname, why do u call yourself chaos??? Rolling Eyes

Jeez, people. Do we really need to get into this?

ToT seems a bit strange because in general, when people are referring to things, they use acronyms. We don't call Marble Hornets "Mar", or the Slender Man "Sle", now, do we? We call them "MH" and "SM". So it reasonably seems odd that some people refer to TTA as "ToT".

Also, why do any of us call ourselves what we do? That was just a ridiculous response to Chaos's legitimate question, like you're going out of your way to try and be antagonistic. Stop. Just stop.

Brados wrote:

i'm thinking TTA wasn't actually Masky
Masky was Tim
J remembers what happened that night, and possibly what happened to Tim, but instead told us through entry 18 that he remembers waking up in his car.
TTA knows what happened, and knows J is hiding this.

just another wild speculation that everybody seems to keep pulling out.

We've done some analysis of this, and decided that Tim just isn't in the likely candidates for Maskface. His face is too long, and there's not even a suggestion of sideburns. Also, his hair is in a pretty different style than that of Maskface. We're betting on Alex or the Unnamed Camera Dude for the place of Maskface, based on what evidence we have.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:15 am

gordon_ramsay
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TheAtroxious wrote:

gordon_ramsay wrote:

Shaoken wrote:

tetsuyabh wrote:

I posted this is the "Messages" thread, but just to cover bases, I'll post it here, too:

It says "Smile for the camera" because Tim is an actor.

The face is definitely Tim's, debate over.

You may be a guest, but THANK YOU.

Even so, I will be waiting till J DOESN'T go and seek out Tim.

You see, a LOT of people here are going completely nuts when they try and analyze Tim in entry 15.

"OMG, he gets flustered everytime J mentions something about MH!!"

Yeah, I really wouldn't chock that up to Tim "hiding something". I would more or less say that, OOG of course, it was just a person who was trying to act, yet not doing as good of a job as everyone hoped.

However, I will agree with you that there have been some WAY OUT THERE theories as of late. One being the SM "mind control". Honestly, that would just about RUIN this entire thing. It gives SM a power that is usually a staple in things like this.

Sorry, but I just don't think that, whenever an entry or response comes out, we should jump up and analyze these things to death. It only brings disappointment when nothing is found.

I have spoken my peace, take it how you will.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:35 am

Chief Poirot
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jamiel8668 wrote:

Chief Poirot wrote:

Hmm, good idea. Although I think that we're going too deep with the music and possibly the video too. As it has been said before, this whole thing doesn't seem that deep. Sure, he said "listening is everything", or something to that effect, but I don't think "listen to this poor-quality and altered song clip, then try and find the obscure reference to it that has little-to-no-bearing-on-the-story."

I second this notion.

While it is appears useful to examine these details close-up I've found TTA's clips only seem to serve by pushing the narrative along a little and usually the first impressions I get from them are usually enough to give an idea of the point being made.

That said my next question therefore is... what HASN'T Tim or J told us yet?

Indeed. This brings us right back to Tim's interview and J's faulty memory and the trust that we have in him (what he posts being what's there, etc).

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:37 am

jamiel8668
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Chief Poirot wrote:

jamiel8668 wrote:

Chief Poirot wrote:

Indeed. This brings us right back to Tim's interview and J's faulty memory and the trust that we have in him (what he posts being what's there, etc).

Right there with you Chief. Smile

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:57 am

TheAtroxious
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gordon_ramsay wrote:

Okay, I must agree. I think I might have taken your post the wrong way at first.

Personally, I think it's obviously Tim, as I can see the same exact face shape and sideburns in the TTA video. It may not exactly fit the comparison picture, but it's a hell of a lot closer than pictures of anyone else's face. I just took this as something that wasn't purposely vague, hence my conviction that it is Tim. And, hey, debate is fine, but now we have people running around saying, as though it's heresy to disagree with them, "YES, IT IS TIM." "NO, IT'S NOT." Like the whole thing has just turned us against one another. And the fact that a bunch of people keep posting the same, constantly reiterated information without having even thought about it doesn't help my opinion of the way the forum is going.

I think it's fine to see the goings-on as we will, but sometimes, as you say, the analysis gets out of hand and causes a mini-riot. I kinda think people here just need to chill out and learn to agree to disagree without being all confrontational.

Kind of takes the fun element out of the thing.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:01 am

gordon_ramsay
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TheAtroxious wrote:

gordon_ramsay wrote:

Exactly. Everyone needs to calm down, step back, and look at these videos from a very simple perspective.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:55 am

Archanamiya
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Dunno if someone noted this already, but that thing in the video looks like the Queen Elizabeth (the ocean liner) after it burned:

http://www.cruiseserver.net/travelpage/ships/cu_qe.asp

This would be relevant (sort of). The ship's fire is widely believed to have been destroyed as part of an insurance scam by the owner. Thus, "keeping secrets."

That last bit is just speculation, but I'm almost positive about the first part.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:42 am

kevrock
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gonzaw wrote:

I'm pretty sure this song starts in B, and then goes D-C-B-G-B-D... but then I can't figure out those high pitched notes (I think the last one is a G, if so it's in G major), maybe playing only those notes can give a list of songs with them in it...

I would swear this is a JP Sousa march, but I'm not which of his 136 it could be: http://www.dws.org/sousa/works.htm

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 1:01 pm

madebz
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is it the Navy fight song; forward or backwards or slowed down? Just makes sense.

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 2:34 pm

gonzaw
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kevrock wrote:

gonzaw wrote:

I would swear this is a JP Sousa march, but I'm not which of his 136 it could be: http://www.dws.org/sousa/works.htm

They seem too up-tempo to me...
Unless we have to faster the track even more...

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 3:24 pm

Slender freak
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i honestly think TTA wants some camera time Razz

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:34 pm

morscata12
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Analysis of the Text

The description of this video is "." - I almost didn't notice it until I saw it on TTA's profile page. Here are two possible interpretations:
- The text in the video seems to be missing a lot of punctuation: "Tell us You have been keeping secrets. Smile for the camera". "Tell us" is followed by a capitalized "You", which makes it a separate sentence in context. This sentence and "Smile for the camera" are both missing punctuation.
- It could also be the dot in morse code - the binary equivalent to 0. TTA is a fan of hiding zeroes in his messages, so that could be all it means. Of course, the translation of . is "e", which has also shown up in previous videos.

Translation of the three lines:
- "Tell us." TTA uses the word "us" instead of "me". Either TTA is a group of several individuals, or TTA feels he is on the side of the Internet audience. I believe it is the latter, as we have yet to be given a reason to believe TTA is an organization. Presumably, this line is an abbreviation of "tell us the truth".
- "You have been keeping secrets." TTA says that someone has been keeping secrets - it should be either Tim, Alex, or J (not Brian). To be keeping secrets, communication would have to be recent - otherwise, the demand to "tell us" would not be plausible. J is communicating through his editing process, Alex is communicating through his footage, and Tim is communicating through that one interview.
- "Smile for the camera." This line seems off to me. This is said during photoshoots, not to actors about to film a scene. As someone pointed out, it does look like a photo rather than a screencapture from an entry. On the other hand, it can also be said ironically/creepily if someone doesn't know they are being filmed (ala Candid Camera).

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:40 pm

Six
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Edit: Wrong thread

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 8:19 pm

Sylvine
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Re: Analysis of the Text

morscata12 wrote:

"Tell us" is followed by a capitalized "You", which makes it a separate sentence in context.

Gasp! Or maybe I'm TTA, as I pretty much always capitalize "You" Smile

Nah, of course not. Just pointing out there might be other people out there doing that. Most likely not native speakers, like me.

~Sylv

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 9:54 pm

morscata12
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Re: Analysis of the Text

Sylvine wrote:

morscata12 wrote:

"Tell us" is followed by a capitalized "You", which makes it a separate sentence in context.

Gasp! Or maybe I'm TTA, as I pretty much always capitalize "You" Smile

Nah, of course not. Just pointing out there might be other people out there doing that. Most likely not native speakers, like me.

~Sylv

True, some people do capitalize "You". The capitalization alone isn't enough to prove that there are three sentences, but I think the punctuation is. "secrets." has a period, which acts as a connector to the previous panel. Since it is explicitly terminating (and is not capitalized), it is apparent that it is not a stand-alone sentence.

I was wary to say that the first sentence was "tell us you have been keeping secrets". To me, it seems that the sentences make the most sense read backwards: "Smile for the camera. You have been keeping secrets. Tell us."

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:08 pm

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