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Alex's girlfriend was like "Hurfa Durfa, we have a camera, Alex" And also Tim is hilarious if you talk to him.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:40 pm
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I don't buy this whole Tim=TTA thing one single bit. Not at all. It's an entirely hollow and baseless theory. There's more evidence to suggest that Alex's old dog is TTA then there is for Tim to be TTA.

Maybe Tim does have mysterious and ulterior motives; but for the sake of making a solid theory, we don't have enough information to suggest that Tim is even remotely relevant to the entire story. And it drives me up the wall that the official Marble Hornets Wiki has "Tim is most certainly TTA" when he most certainly is not.

Looking at it from outside the MH-a-verse perspective, does everyone honestly think that probably the number one mystery of the entire Marble Hornets "Saga", something that has been worked and slaved over for atleast or a year or so (give or take) would have one of its most iconic and interesting characters identity flat-out SPOILED because they couldn't get one of their actors to shave? Rly? Even if "Tim" plays TTA, I don't think the character of Tim is TTA.

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I was uncertain that Tim was TTA, but that was only because I wasn't sure that TTA =='d Masky. That Masky showed up right after Tim's interview, and has pretty much been wearing the same outfit as Tim from the getgo, makes it seem like Tim has been a baddy at least part of the time. I don't know that he's the main villain when he puts on his doll-face, just considering that Skull-mask showed up in #26, and why would they change it if they were trying to show that Tim's been TTA all along, unless to indicate time?

Anyways, TVX, I'd argue that Tim's TTA firstly because he only shows up physically when Jay contacts him and alerts him to his presence. His face comes up faintly at the end of 'Messages', his coat and 'burns are apparent in his various appearances in the Entries and TTA responses, and we haven't really seen anything to indicate another party. Brian seems to have gone from the series entirely. Alex... could be TTA, but not necessarily because HURF DURF ARK == 'ALEX R KRALIE~' so much as, by the time that #26 rolls around, he looks like he's become pretty well ensconced in a new life with a new gal without Slendy kicking around. And while TTA could be Jay, that rules out #19's both of them being in one place at the same time unless there's time travel happening, which I... I don't know, I think that's more convoluted than it needs to be.

If you don't think that Tim's TTA, what's your theory on who TTA is?

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Amy from #26. It is the only thing that makes sense.
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Dray wrote:
I was uncertain that Tim was TTA, but that was only because I wasn't sure that TTA =='d Masky. That Masky showed up right after Tim's interview, and has pretty much been wearing the same outfit as Tim from the getgo, makes it seem like Tim has been a baddy at least part of the time. I don't know that he's the main villain when he puts on his doll-face, just considering that Skull-mask showed up in #26, and why would they change it if they were trying to show that Tim's been TTA all along, unless to indicate time?

To elaborate on what I previously said; looking at this OOG, it makes more sense that Tim wasn't busy the day #19 was shot and they just kept it up for consistency. In game, the connection between Tim leading Jay into TTA doesn't really work; if it does, that means Alex's old Dog is in cahoots with tall dark and faceless.

I guess my main issue is that the only justification for the theory that i've seen is based entirely on arbitrary things; like the sideburns and it amazes me that everyone is willing to disregard any more reasonable theories instead of looking for more clues, ideas and connections. Especiall ywhen they 've worked so hard to develop a powerful persona in the form of TTA.

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Anyways, TVX, I'd argue that Tim's TTA firstly because he only shows up physically when Jay contacts him and alerts him to his presence. His face comes up faintly at the end of 'Messages', his coat and 'burns are apparent in his various appearances in the Entries and TTA responses, and we haven't really seen anything to indicate another party. Brian seems to have gone from the series entirely. Alex... could be TTA, but not necessarily because HURF DURF ARK == 'ALEX R KRALIE~' so much as, by the time that #26 rolls around, he looks like he's become pretty well ensconced in a new life with a new gal without Slendy kicking around. And while TTA could be Jay, that rules out #19's both of them being in one place at the same time unless there's time travel happening, which I... I don't know, I think that's more convoluted than it needs to be.

If you don't think that Tim's TTA, what's your theory on who TTA is?

Exactly! Everyone is a suspect and there's so much potential for an expanion of the mythos once "season 2" starts whenever they feel like. Tim could be a nobody, he could be the most key character in the entire saga, but applying so much weight and signifigance where we are right now seems inappropriate. I think we should be concerned with figuring out his motivations and what TTA what he brings to the series In Game in a Detective sort of fashion as well as from a pretenious film snobby angle. ( I think I may do a full themetic analysis of Marble Hornets in such a uppity art house way for shits and giggles).

My theory? I think TTA is entirely unconcerned with Slenderman and is more worried about his own agenda. I think he was stalking Alex before he moved on to stalking Jay. Maybe he wants Slendermans attention and devotion? and is frustrated by his preference for Alex/Jay.

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Late to the party, but I am here now. I am out to warn all that I assassinate all you ARK theorist. That is why they keep disappearing. I killed them all.

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TVX wrote:
Exactly! Everyone is a suspect and there's so much potential for an expanion of the mythos once "season 2" starts whenever they feel like. Tim could be a nobody, he could be the most key character in the entire saga, but applying so much weight and signifigance where we are right now seems inappropriate.


In that case, why place any weight or significance on anything until MH2 is finished and we can go back and analyze everything? The creators deliberately left the production ambiguous, for just the reason you're lamenting about. It could very well be because they don't have access to their friends to film certain bits, or because various friends wanted out and the creators didn't want to kill them off for sure because they didn't have a clear-cut "I'm done" from 'em.

Anyways, what I mean to say is that putting an emphasis on a character now might prove to be wrong, but it's part of the fun of trying to figure out where the creators are going! I'm not 100% sure that Tim == Masky == TTA, but it seems like a fairly sure bet. And if I'm wrong once the next season comes out, oh well. It was fun trying to puzzle things out!

On to your next point...

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I think we should be concerned with figuring out his motivations and what TTA what he brings to the series In Game in a Detective sort of fashion as well as from a pretenious film snobby angle. ( I think I may do a full themetic analysis of Marble Hornets in such a uppity art house way for shits and giggles).


I agree, and while I don't want to direct you back to the 300+ pages of trailhead to read to find that people have gone over TTA's motivations in both of those lenses, it has been done here and there... Maybe not to the satisfaction of a solid motivation, but to the best of the ability of the audience with what little we have.

TTA appears to have found Jay some time after he began uploading his video findings -- around entry 9, in fact. (Some people bring up the fact that 9 is the first time that we see Tim, which could bring a connection to TTA == Tim, though of course that's not at all solid! It's the first time that we see Sarah and Seth as well, if I remember properly, so it could just as easily be them!) He begins with strange, puzzling videos embedded with codes and secret messages. He interacts, on occasion, with the players in a cryptic fashion. He introduces themes that may or may not have anything to do with Jay and Alex's experiences, thus far. He refers to 'us' and 'we' on a couple of occasions and seems to have close up experience with the Operator, given a couple of his responses, without giving away if he is affected by them the same way that Jay has been.

He makes a point to antagonize Jay and seems to be herding him towards a very specific goal -- to take him to the ark. He seems to have access to the footage from Alex's tapes that he otherwise wouldn't, and he has access to places that he shouldn't, such as Jay's home and perhaps the abandoned house. On the other hand, we never see him in the basement when Jay, Alex or Seth are there. When he goads Jay to leave his house, the apartment complex only burns down after he is gone. A mysterious package arrives for him to answer some of Jay's questions even though he's been on the move for weeks and weeks.

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My theory? I think TTA is entirely unconcerned with Slenderman and is more worried about his own agenda. I think he was stalking Alex before he moved on to stalking Jay. Maybe he wants Slendermans attention and devotion? and is frustrated by his preference for Alex/Jay.


I agree that he must have his own agenda; even if his actions are bizarre, he seems to have a sense of self that a mindless devotee or henchman to the Operator would lack. I'm going to hypothesize that TTA has to be one of the characters that have already been introduced, and isn't a new one that's separate from the crew all along. This is based off the fact that in... 18? I think? (it's been forever since I watched all of 'em -- feel free to prove me wrong!) he gets right pissed when Jay tries to remove his mask. They do make odd references via coughing and pills and water bottles between the earlier videos and what Jay finds in the abandoned house later on, where we see Masky most often, as well.

In any case, this nameless cast member has been around through it all. Perhaps he's the same one as was wearing the Skull-like mask that we briefly see in #26, which would stand to reason that he was stalking Alex beforehand, and was helping to cause Alex to become paranoid and to not trust other crew members.

I'm not sure about drawing conclusions about TTA wanting the Operator's attention and feeling short-changed by the Operator's attention to Jay and Alex: Jay does not have many encounters with the Operator at first. In fact, if it weren't for TTA pointing out new clues to Jay throughout the series, he wouldn't have made the leap several times. His closest encounter (#23 in the basement, I think?) only comes after a hell of a lot of goading on TTA's part. Why would TTA be pushing and shoving at Jay, mentally, to cause these encounters if he was jealous of the Operator to begin with?

Lastly, and this is not so much evidence as it is some wool-gathering, I am getting the sense that TTA is Tim because everyone else seems to be missing, IG. Alex has moved on and proven to be starting a new life with a gal. That's not to say that he couldn't moonlight as TTA, but the way that he reacts in #26 suggests that this is all new to him. Mention of Brian after #7 suggests that he's gone missing entirely. There is the suggestion of blood in the basement when Alex and Seth go to check it out. Seth seems to encounter something terrifying in the basement in #22 when his camera swings wildly and drops, Sarah seems to be unaccounted for even in the sense that she's been written off some how. (She's mentioned and shows up in a couple of videos and then nothing is ever said of her again until Alex makes his 'they're all gone' speech in #22 -- which includes Tim and Jay, so we can probably discount that because Jay at least is definitely still around when we see him.)

Tim is the only one that seems to be around in the time frame that Jay is doing his sleuthing. Because TTA is shown in the same place as Jay at the same time (#...19, I think? The one when Jay's sleeping!) it's super likely that Jay can't be TTA, not unless you begin to include time warping in addition to the strange door warping and losing of time... and we haven't seen any evidence of moving back through time, so much as moving more quickly forward to support some time warping shenanigans.

So while TTA could be any of 'em, or perhaps a composite, it stands to reason that the one that is stalking Jay is Tim. I'm not going to solidly say that he's also the TTA stalking Alex, as we don't have any evidence save for #26 with the Skull mask that he was about. Hopefully in season 2, we'll see something to help make TTA's part in the past more clear!

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I 'd make up some crackpot theory about who I think totheark is but I don't really have one plus Stick kinda scares me.

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That reminds me, this should probably be moved back to the MH forum!

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Don't worry Dracos, I've cooled my shit down. I will not kill you now, only mildly beat you over the head.

Also, here is a theory I came up with that I don't believe: While Alex's initials aren't ARK, the first three letters of Kralie backwards are. Although I'm sure this has been brought up before.

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Only just watched MH in the last couple weeks.

How can anyone not think that Masky is TTA, and second, not think that Tim is Masky/TTA?

Tim is very evasive in his interview. Deliberate mention is made that J takes a bottle of pills from the house. After Masky visits him in his sleep, the bottle is empty. An older video shows Tim with pills. Tim is shown to be under the weather often, and Masky has a seizure.

In the video that reveals Masky watching J sleep, at the end J says "TTA knows where I live." and TTA never denies that he is Masky.

I honestly don't buy any arguments about this, cause the mask features so prominently in many TTA videos, and our first hint that TTA has been visiting J in his sleep comes after TTA says that secrets are being kept. And the first TTA video response comes after the first video we meet Tim in, along with that girl.

Also worth pointing out that Tim smokes in that scene, and always under the weather. Maybe "The Ark" is a cure to cancer or something. He may believe that immortality or something may come from interaction or defeat of Slenderman.

For Tim to NOT be TTA/Masky represents the worst kind of bait and switch. MH doesn't have the highest production values, but the storytelling is deliberate.


To me, the mystery is not "who is TTA/Masky" it's "why is Tim doing this, and what is his relationship with Slenderman, and what is his ultimate goal?"

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That is the general consensus my good man! I'm glad that you didn't need a bunch of facts spilled out so that you would understand such. I already like you.

However, in our boredom, you are likely to see us spewing out theories that we may not even believe or strongly stand behind. Just to give something to talk about in the absence of MH.

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In that case I'd like to present my theory I believe my neighbor is actually Slender Man in disguise I have no evidence or a plausible reason nor do I strongly believe in this crackpot theory I'm simply bored out of my mind plus I really can't stand the idiot.

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Ryuujin Dracos wrote:
In that case I'd like to present my theory I believe my neighbor is actually Slender Man in disguise I have no evidence or a plausible reason nor do I strongly believe in this crackpot theory I'm simply bored out of my mind plus I really can't stand the idiot.


No, Ryuujin.

You are the Slender Man.

*Audience gasps in shock*

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Thanks.

The more I think about it, the shape I see for this mystery is that:

-Tim is sick, possibly dying.
-Slenderman finds his victims through use of camera, not through the Operator symbol being his eyes.
-Tim (probably delusional and incorrect) believes this supernatural thing that is stalking them represents a cure/immortality. This is the Ark he refers to.
-It's not the house that allows time/space shift where you go through one door and exit in the wrong place---it's the people. J can do it, possibly Alex can do it. Tim MIGHT be able to do it, but I can't decide. Tim may think that J can lead him to the Ark by following him through these shifts. After all, J can do it in his apartment when he's asleep. Tim may mistakenly believe that J knows what he's doing, and is lying, thus the threats in Entry ####.
-When J runs, Tim decides to set up an end game. He finds Alex, plants a camera causing Slenderman to find Alex, and sends that tape to J. Thus when J finds Alex, Tim will confront them both and finish this.

Whether I'm right about this stuff or not, how do they do a season 2 that builds on their existing ideas and finishes things out while maintaining the video-documentary style they've established?

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