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All those little (and not-so-little) loose ends still hanging off Slendy's jacket
So. It would appear that we've come to what seems to be the end of the Marble Hornets Saga Season 1. It's been a pretty strange ride so far, and while a few things have been answered, many other questions still remain. The major ones are still being continuously discussed, but there are some minor bits as well- seemingly purposeless events or items we've encountered along the way- that could fit into the bigger puzzle with just a bit more explanation. To aid in consideration and discussion, I've made a quick list of those "loose threads" that are still hanging in the story. By no means is it an exhaustive list, so feel free to add your own minor niggles or "what the heck was that anyway"s.

In no particular order:

- Where's J been going? He goes through barricaded doors, he goes into a room but never ends up there, he goes into a room he's leaving... but where does he end up? Only once have we gotten a glimpse of J when he's non compos mentis in Return, where we see him propped against the door with dark circles under his eyes as Slender Man strolls by. More glimpses into where he's been ending up could give us clues as to why he's going there.

- What happened to the bullet casing J found in Entry #16? Seriously, this is the bullet casing from Chekhov's gun here. It was much too big to be a typical civilian handgun round; it looked more like a large-calibre revolver round (like .44 or .357 Magnum). The fact that it was found not far from a sink full of dried blood is meaningful. Yet it was seemingly stolen from J not long after he found it, and nothing has come of it since. There was blood and a single gunshot, but who shot who?! [/BarryManilow]

- What is the meaning of the flashing light in Deluge? Seriously, is there even one at all? It's a bizarre visual to have along with the audio, but TTA's love for codes is well-known, so it's very hard to discount the possibility.

- What does Bleedmore / Bleed More mean? Program (the TTA video this message was posted in) was a response to Entry #14, which saw Alex's head covered in blood. But is "bleed more" a veiled threat... or advice? Could shedding blood have some sort of effect on the symptoms Slender Man's targets undergo? And how did Alex get so bloody anyway... and is that the same blood that was in the sink in Entry #16?

- What is the source of the tapping noise found in many Entries? Many of you know I've been nearly obsessed with the soft, hollow tapping noise that occurs in the background of a large number of the Entries (including the latest, #26). There is no physical explanation for it- it has been heard from cameras that are standing still, or that have no dangling parts (like a lens cap) to tap against the outside, and it is far too rhythmic to be simple background noise. Yet the sound has varied slightly from video to video, both in timing and the number of taps. I've made no progress in finding a pattern or code behind the tapping, yet there must be something to it....

- What happened to Brian, Sarah and Seth? Of the six people most involved in the Marble Hornets film and the events thereafter, the fates of these three have been left unexplained. Any one of them could be a major figure in what's happened to J and Alex.

- Where, exactly, is the "Slendybasement" that we see in Entries #22 and #23? Some speculate it is some sort of "Slendyworld" where our faceless stalker lives, but the fact that Seth and Alex explored it together (Seth pre-armed with a nightvision-capable camera) and their demeanor while doing so would suggest that they entered willingly and with preparation. Yet buildings with that level of structural degradation aren't found on every block, and the area in which all this takes place doesn't have the feel of "abandoned industrial area just 'round the block" to it... so where on Earth (or elsewhere) could this place be?

- What does the undulating "S" shape seen in Program and Advocate mean? The most obvious choice would be "Slender Man", but things are seldom so simple in the Marble Hornets saga. Other theories tend towards Greek letters or musical symbols. Myself, I notice that the Operator video has an extra "s" in the world "Stillness"... hrm....

- What does the Operator symbol stand for? It's an uncomplicated shape- a circle with an X through it- but the meaning is all but clear. It has marked places where Slender Man has been spotted, which could give it a descriptive quality- "here lurks Slender Man, he who has no face", as the human face in even the most basic stick-figure drawing is denoted by a circle. But it has also been used in writing (in several totheark videos, to replace the letter O) and has shown up in a number of Alex's scribblings (one of which gave us the name Operator for the symbol). Is there more to it? Some believe the circle is a camera lens, meaning that filming is what draws Slender Man to someone (and therefore, not having cameras is a way to avoid his notice), and this seems to be corrborated by Entry #26. But it could also mean, roughly, "no head"- or "do not think". Not thinking about Slender Man seemed to help J's health pretty well....

- What is the deal with the music in totheark's videos? Our favorite anonymous filmmaker/editor seems to have a prediliction towards inserting reversed, distorted music into his videos. Efforts towards deducing just what music have run into difficulty, but it's generally agreed that the music tends to be marching band or orchestral music such as was popular back in the 1940s and 50s. totheark does few things without some sort of reason behind it, so what might the music signify?

- Does Slender Man control his "distortion effect" somehow? It seems that the degree of distortion he causes is variable- while his appearance is always marked with a unique "tear" that affects the bottom portion of the recording, how much static he causes afterwards is different in every one of his appearances. He stood thirty or so feet from the camera in Entry #7 without a single glitched pixel (until Alex started speeding away), and was half that distance from the camera in Entry #17 with only slight fuzzing and dimming (until the recording locked up). Yet he ruined J's camera when confronted face-to-no-face in Entry #27, and caused audio static and heavy visual distortion in Return. Does Slender Man, consciously or unconsciously, influence this? Could it be some sort of expression of his mood, or an attempt to be stealthy?

- Why was there static near the hole in the ground by the red tower in Entry #21? What could have caused such a strange occurence in the middle of nowhere? Could it be connected to the "Slendy basement" somehow? And could it have something to do with the distorted Tweet that came from J's phone (coming out "jBdzj!zö&&+555n?21" when he'd typed in "found something")?

- What was recorded on the garbled footage found on the "WATCH THIS." tape in Entry #26? What seems to be a... power station, maybe, with numerous lights? Someone walking down a hall with flashes of light coming from the far end? A skull mask? Blips of color with no discernable form? Who recorded it, when, and why? Was it sitting in Alex's old camera the whole time, until Amy found it (or someone put it where she would find it)? And speaking of....

- Who is Skulley? We've watched the lovable antics of Masky for a while now, but now there's another masked player in our midst. We only get about three seconds of viewing time, seen through a fish-eye distortion (like an apartment's peephole), but there is no confusing this mask for the one J's favorite stalker wears. Was it an earlier iteration of the Masky mask? Someone else (with less artistic flair) chancing upon a mask's apparent anti-Slendy powers? Or something else entirely?

Wow, I had no idea this post would end up so long. Apologies for any misspellings- I've managed to slice and dice no less than three of my fingers today while replacing a broken side-view mirror on my car (this is why I don't like do-it-yourself jobs... I'm a danger to myself) so my keyboard-fu is not strong with all these bandges on my digits.

Reply! Reply! Only if it's to tell me what an idiot I am for missing (insert trivia here).

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 		First off, I'm starting to agree that it does seem like it's the end of "Season 1." It's been two weeks and nothing from Jay... either that return address is ridiculously far away, or we've reached a hiatus.

Teleportation hasn't really been brought up lately, since last we say of it was 24 and 23. Though if I had to guess I'd say Jay teleported to the Slendy-basement in 24. The only other time he's teleported (Assuming he was dragging there in Return/19, I'm not sure if he actually teleported to the house) he went to the basement. Not saying that's all he can teleport to, there are instances of him teleporting around the house in 23, but that's just my guess.

I know nothing about bullet casings, or guns in general, but I think the caliber of the bullet shouldn't be looked into too deeply- where are they gonna be able to find bullets in Alabama? I'm gonna say it was the only one they had, possibly a souvenir, iunno. And I believe it's been discussed that the blood in the sink looked like it was hacked up forcibly, as if someone coughed up/spewed blood. Also though, if it was from someone getting shot, who was shot?! In the bathroom no less...

I've seen some morse code come out of that light in Deluge, but nothing meaningful. Just TTA screwing with us. "Ah-lex..." I have nothing meaningful to add to these "Tapping noises." I've yet to hear them. Though I'm a bit too freaked to watch some entries with headphones on... blasting distortion. Now Brian, Sarah and Seth I'm interested in. We've heard nothing of them since filming. Either they're dead, had all memories of Slendy erased, or they formed a "Masky Cult" as the theory goes. No evidence other than the left-behind mask in 23 and "Skulley" though. I would like to believe it...

The theory I've come up with (along with my MH obsessed friend) is that the Operator symbol simply symbolizes Slendy's face, or lack-thereof. Alex's drawings also showed Slender Man with the Operator symbol as a head. We've made the connection that phone operators used to switch cables to connect you to another line, so the Operator symbol signifies that Slendy is an operator, in a way. He connects you to different dimensions via teleporting.

That's all I can get to at the moment, though your wall of text is impressive.

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where are they gonna be able to find bullets in Alabama?


...really?

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 		Re: Loose Threads
All those little (and not-so-little) loose ends still hanging off Slendy's jacket
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- What happened to Brian, Sarah and Seth? Of the six people most involved in the Marble Hornets film and the events thereafter, the fates of these three have been left unexplained. Any one of them could be a major figure in what's happened to J and Alex.


Well we saw the footage of Seth's 'disappearance' though we can't see what got him or how. If you remember Seth was the one recording as they went through the "Slendybasement" and at the end he gets seperated from Alex and the camera drops.

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- Where, exactly, is the "Slendybasement" that we see in Entries #22 and #23? Some speculate it is some sort of "Slendyworld" where our faceless stalker lives, but the fact that Seth and Alex explored it together (Seth pre-armed with a nightvision-capable camera) and their demeanor while doing so would suggest that they entered willingly and with preparation. Yet buildings with that level of structural degradation aren't found on every block, and the area in which all this takes place doesn't have the feel of "abandoned industrial area just 'round the block" to it... so where on Earth (or elsewhere) could this place be?


If you go back to the introduction you'll see some industrial structures that J drives by. That shot looks like a distorted version of the bright yellow lights in Entry 26, that are slowly moving in one direction on the camera. That's where I think the basement is, and maybe even where Alex is directing J, though for what reason I don't know.

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- What does the Operator symbol stand for? It's an uncomplicated shape- a circle with an X through it- but the meaning is all but clear. It has marked places where Slender Man has been spotted, which could give it a descriptive quality- "here lurks Slender Man, he who has no face", as the human face in even the most basic stick-figure drawing is denoted by a circle. But it has also been used in writing (in several totheark videos, to replace the letter O) and has shown up in a number of Alex's scribblings (one of which gave us the name Operator for the symbol). Is there more to it? Some believe the circle is a camera lens, meaning that filming is what draws Slender Man to someone (and therefore, not having cameras is a way to avoid his notice), and this seems to be corrborated by Entry #26. But it could also mean, roughly, "no head"- or "do not think". Not thinking about Slender Man seemed to help J's health pretty well....


I think it could be a ward against Slendy, as a possible reason as to why it's scrawled on those pictures, and why it's drawn on the pavement.

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- Who is Skulley? We've watched the lovable antics of Masky for a while now, but now there's another masked player in our midst. We only get about three seconds of viewing time, seen through a fish-eye distortion (like an apartment's peephole), but there is no confusing this mask for the one J's favorite stalker wears. Was it an earlier iteration of the Masky mask? Someone else (with less artistic flair) chancing upon a mask's apparent anti-Slendy powers? Or something else entirely?


I'd guess this is an accomplice of totheark, possibly another member of the Marble's hornet cast.

My overall theory is that Tim is for some reason linked with Slendy, possibly under his control, and he became totheark. I think someone mentioned that "ark" is Alex's initials. It looks like totheark wants J to help "them" find Alex. He's trying to recruit him. An idea supported by J's illness, which seems similar to what J suffered from before.

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 		Skulley's probably just Masky wearing a different mask. It's not all that unlikely. With all the spare time he has, he probably has a basement littered with masks he creates for his outings.

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 		Re: Loose Threads
All those little (and not-so-little) loose ends still hanging off Slendy's jacket
Thanks for this. I was thinking we needed something like this, but I was reluctant to undertake it, plus I feel like too much of a noob to make a new thread.

The Rogue Wolf wrote:

- What does the undulating "S" shape seen in Program and Advocate mean? The most obvious choice would be "Slender Man", but things are seldom so simple in the Marble Hornets saga. Other theories tend towards Greek letters or musical symbols. Myself, I notice that the Operator video has an extra "s" in the world "Stillness"... hrm....


I'm hard pressed to think of what that symbol would be in music, and I'm pretty well-versed in music theory. It seems like something I may have come across once, but it'd have to be something rather obscure. Someone, somewhere, compared it to a cleff marking, but I disagree that it looks like one. However, I think there may be some music connection going on, as there's music in multiple videos, and a few other details. Of course, I may also be looking for things I understand, and it may just be coincidence...but it's a possible direction. (Actually, Deluge, for example, looks like an album cover, something I brought up in the thread for the video.)

The Rogue Wolf wrote:

- What does the Operator symbol stand for? It's an uncomplicated shape- a circle with an X through it- but the meaning is all but clear. It has marked places where Slender Man has been spotted, which could give it a descriptive quality- "here lurks Slender Man, he who has no face", as the human face in even the most basic stick-figure drawing is denoted by a circle. But it has also been used in writing (in several totheark videos, to replace the letter O) and has shown up in a number of Alex's scribblings (one of which gave us the name Operator for the symbol). Is there more to it? Some believe the circle is a camera lens, meaning that filming is what draws Slender Man to someone (and therefore, not having cameras is a way to avoid his notice), and this seems to be corrborated by Entry #26. But it could also mean, roughly, "no head"- or "do not think". Not thinking about Slender Man seemed to help J's health pretty well....


And here is one of the music connections: If you rotate the symbol slightly, it's a Coda sign. The function of a Coda suggests a possible relationship, too.

The Rogue Wolf wrote:

- What is the deal with the music in totheark's videos? Our favorite anonymous filmmaker/editor seems to have a prediliction towards inserting reversed, distorted music into his videos. Efforts towards deducing just what music have run into difficulty, but it's generally agreed that the music tends to be marching band or orchestral music such as was popular back in the 1940s and 50s. totheark does few things without some sort of reason behind it, so what might the music signify?


From what other people have done with the music, and from what I've been able to pick out, it seems to be mostly marches and fanfares. The recordings, whether just because of distortion, or because they actually are that age, sound like they go back to the 40s or even 30s, although I think the pieces themselves are probably older, written just before or just after 1900.

The Rogue Wolf wrote:

- Does Slender Man control his "distortion effect" somehow? It seems that the degree of distortion he causes is variable- while his appearance is always marked with a unique "tear" that affects the bottom portion of the recording, how much static he causes afterwards is different in every one of his appearances. He stood thirty or so feet from the camera in Entry #7 without a single glitched pixel (until Alex started speeding away), and was half that distance from the camera in Entry #17 with only slight fuzzing and dimming (until the recording locked up). Yet he ruined J's camera when confronted face-to-no-face in Entry #27, and caused audio static and heavy visual distortion in Return. Does Slender Man, consciously or unconsciously, influence this? Could it be some sort of expression of his mood, or an attempt to be stealthy?


I've been wondering about the distortion, too. I had a theory about it being sound-based, and that when the microphone is off, the distortion isn't as bad, thus explaining clips with no audio, but the fact that some other clips seem to have audio, but have little to no distortion in the presence of Slendy makes me think I need to rethink that. It might just be "random, too."

Question, tho: which entry do you mean by #27?

Anyway, having these bits will hopefully present a thread that someone can grasp, that they hadn't seen before. Maybe something will come together, then.

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 		I too have had some feelings that the missing three may be behind the masky crew, that is if there are multiple maskys and not just the same person in different iterations of the same mask. But what would that mean? As stated by me and numerous others, nothing in this series seems to be meaningless. Do each of these different masks have a different meaning or hint toward something? This is why i love MH. everything is put together in such a way that it just keeps you guessing and for every answer we think we get it seems that it just proposes another slew of questions. Reminds me of what the former wrestler Roddy Piper used to use as his catch phrase " Every time you think you have the answer , i change the question". It would make sense that if the members that have disappeared have formed the Masky cult, they would be trying to help Jay, or even more twisted, they are under Slendy's control and are now his minions. This is one of the most well written and twisted chaotic fiction presentations ive ever had the honor of being involved in. Ive said this before in another thread. Imagine what these guys could do with limitless time and resources, an actual big budget. Someone in Hollyweird needs to get into a collaboration with the MH crew. Many great points and questions bought up in this thread
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The Dark Fiddler wrote:
SpiralStatic wrote:
where are they gonna be able to find bullets in Alabama?


...really?


... I meant without having a gun permit or whatever and going out to buy real bullets. If you go to, say a war museum of some kind, you can get bullet souvenirs. I had previously mentioned I don't know anything about guns. So I cannot list off numerous places where one could obtain a bullet.

Thinking of it from the creators point of view, it could've been a loose end that was forgotten about. "Hey, let's have J find a bullet casing! That'll throw people off." "But then who shot who?" "Iunno, let's just get rid of it at some point. They'll forget about it." It may be an ARG, but not everything has to have some deeper meaning.

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SpiralStatic wrote:
The Dark Fiddler wrote:
SpiralStatic wrote:
where are they gonna be able to find bullets in Alabama?


...really?


... I meant without having a gun permit or whatever and going out to buy real bullets. If you go to, say a war museum of some kind, you can get bullet souvenirs. I had previously mentioned I don't know anything about guns. So I cannot list off numerous places where one could obtain a bullet.

Thinking of it from the creators point of view, it could've been a loose end that was forgotten about. "Hey, let's have J find a bullet casing! That'll throw people off." "But then who shot who?" "Iunno, let's just get rid of it at some point. They'll forget about it." It may be an ARG, but not everything has to have some deeper meaning.

Out of all the states one would want to find a bullet in, Alabama is probably the easiest. Haha. I have a bunch of friends with guns. It's also not unlikely that someone on the crew has a gun license or access to ammunition.

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SpiralStatic wrote:
The Dark Fiddler wrote:
SpiralStatic wrote:
where are they gonna be able to find bullets in Alabama?


...really?


... I meant without having a gun permit or whatever and going out to buy real bullets. If you go to, say a war museum of some kind, you can get bullet souvenirs. I had previously mentioned I don't know anything about guns. So I cannot list off numerous places where one could obtain a bullet.

Thinking of it from the creators point of view, it could've been a loose end that was forgotten about. "Hey, let's have J find a bullet casing! That'll throw people off." "But then who shot who?" "Iunno, let's just get rid of it at some point. They'll forget about it." It may be an ARG, but not everything has to have some deeper meaning.


I don't imagine gun shops being that uncommon. Hell, wouldn't sporting good and hunting stores carry them too?

Although it could easily be an abandoned plot line. I can very easily see that.

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 		Also, the slenderdoll and the doll from Warning.
The building in some TTA video.
Alex's dog (whatever happened to it?) and the pets|dogs theme.
The water bottles.
The painting and its possible connection to the fire in J's apartment.
The "SPEAKS TO ME" in the drawings.
The cars thing. Remember Entry 7 when Alex leans out of the car for a moment and only then there comes the distortion and Slendy nearby.

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 		heres how I see the bullet:

someone sees slendy
"wtf r u doin here"


*shoots at*

realizes he cant kill slendy

*locks self in closet*

that also explains the bed and water bottles in the closet

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 		plus the fact that i dont believe you need a gun permit just to buy bullets. or maybe that was before columbine. im not sure, but bullets are much easier to get then guns.

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 		Re: Loose Threads
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Elektrikhd wrote:
Question, tho: which entry do you mean by #27?

Yeah, pretty sure I meant #26. Pretty sure. Not entirely, but pretty sure. Wink

As a gun enthusiast, I can say that it's probably even easier to get a spent cartridge than a bullet. You'd only have to go to a firing range and say "Can we have an empty casing to use for a film project?". Most firing ranges collect spent brass, either to send back to ammunition manufacturers for a credit (I'd think... not an expert on that particular part of the industry) or to reload themselves.

The rest of the posts offer some good points as well. Gimme a while to muse over things and I'll come back with any new ideas that may pop up.

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xxxblindxxx wrote:
plus the fact that i dont believe you need a gun permit just to buy bullets. or maybe that was before columbine. im not sure, but bullets are much easier to get then guns.


Here in Florida, which has some pretty lax gun laws and the "Stand Your Ground Law" which says u can use deadly force if u feel your life is in danger or someone else's life is in danger even when you arent on your own property, you still have to have a gun license to buy any ammo above bbs , so im sure it is pretty much that way over most of the country
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