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Telos954
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So here's my chat with Claire after telling her I could take a part of the papers.

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Claire

hey mate, got your message - thanks

just needing one more person really
10:23amJames

No problem. As in one more - you're sending the bits out to multiple people?
10:23amClaire

yeah - that way info still is safe nad if any get lost in post all is good

won't be able to do till monday at least now though
10:24amJames

I see. Well, I'll ask around and see if there's any of our little circle of friends that can take some as well.
10:24amClaire

thanks

ok got to go, my aunt joan is visiting and she wants us to go to church - ON A SATURDAY..

thought today was the planet with all those circles round it day, not church day!
10:25amJames

Church on a Saturday? Bah, and I bet she'll want to go again tomorrow for services as well
10:27amClaire

she did train for a while as a nun!
10:27amJames

Ah, well, then I guess it's fitting, then.

But, I'll let ya go, wouldn't want to hold ya up any.
10:27amClaire

my mum had a nickname for her and everything LOL - damn got to go

bye
10:28amJames

bye


Coincidence that she has an aunt named Joan once we just found a Joan on the tree? Probably, but, I say keep an eye out for it.
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I sent Claire my address too. Hopefully my scanner won't explode or eat anything important. FYI: Don't by anything half off at Office Max. It usually ends in frustration and threats to throw electronics out the window.

I also sent Vlad a message apologizing for my lack of interaction with him and volunteered to relinquish my crown, if need be. Between the holidays, working two jobs, and now being sick as hell, I figured I'd at least let him know that I may not be up for the challenges.
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The Ouroboros?

Y'know. At first, being the Anime geek I am, I thought "Heh, Full Metal Alchemist."
Then it hit me. We've dealt with Chemistry in this before. The Ouroboros is an alchemical symbol that represents both purity and infinity.

It's possible that J was trying to show her some sort of subliminal message with that. Something he knew she'd make the allusion to, and post something about it.

It may be grasping for straws, but his research harmed his immune system. Vlad mentions things with his agency going down in the Cold War. Maybe J's 'alchemical' research was in to nuclear weaponry - which would fit the UUU riddle, and why his immune system is shot, as well as fitting the right era.

Could be looking too far in to things.. but, that's what came to mind.

Edit ::
All this talk of magic tricks, and Vlad's little ESP bit... Maybe it isn't chemistry, but the science fiction Alchemy, as seen in stuff like FMA and such. I mean, in most fictitious settings, Alchemy is seen as a magic. Shit, most medieval alchemists were thought to be doing magic, from what I understand.

I think we need to find out more about these 'tricks'.

Another edit::

The Ouroboros is said to repersent the Opus for Alchemists. The 'Magnum Opus' or The Great Work was the successful transmutation of a material to gold, or the creation of a philosopher's stone. I'll post the wiki info :

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The Great Work (Latin: Magnum opus) is a term which originated in medieval European alchemy which refers to the successful completion of the transmutation of base matter into gold or the creation of the philosopher's stone. It has subsequently been used as a metaphor for spiritual transformation in the Hermetic tradition. It originally had four stages:[2]

* nigredo(-putrefactio), blackening(-putrefaction): corruption, dissolution, individuation, see also Suns in alchemy - Sol Niger
* albedo, whitening: purification, burnout of impurity; the moon, female
* citrinitas, yellowing: spiritualisation, enlightenment; the sun, male;
* rubedo, reddening: unification of man with god, unification of the limited with the unlimited.

After the 15th century, many writers tended to compress citrinitas into rubedo and consider only three stages.[3]

However, it is in citrinitas that the Chemical Wedding takes place, generating the Philosophical Mercury without which the Philosopher's Stone, triumph of the Work, could never be accomplished.


Actual relevant update :
New tweet responding to my question if she found out what the relation to her and the woman in the locket was.

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AtalantaV

@Telos954 She's an ancestor somewhere - going to do some research into it tomorrow - Uncle took a turn for the worst half hour ago Sad not gd

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My chat with Claire was nearly identical. You'll notice on her wall and also on her comments on one of my statuses she mentions that Vanessa's family used to have a magic show on New Year's every year, and Vanessa's mom would give out presents.

things that stand out for me right now:
- Vanessa mentioning the Ouroboros, Claire mentioning rings (Saturday = Saturn = planet with rings around it)
- Vanessa's uncle regularly doing magic on Jan. 1; Vanessa's family going back to Arthurian times (Merlin?)
- did Vanessa specifically mention pomegranates for a reason?
- Vanessa's new computer arrived at 11
- Vanessa was shown a photo by her uncle of her mom "standing by some pillars in a church in Tuscany or Tuscania." I've asked her if the church looked like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuscania_San_Pietro.jpg (San Pietro, a church in Tuscania).

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dreamerblue wrote:
My chat with Claire was nearly identical. You'll notice on her wall and also on her comments on one of my statuses she mentions that Vanessa's family used to have a magic show on New Year's every year, and Vanessa's mom would give out presents.

things that stand out for me right now:
- Vanessa mentioning the Ouroboros, Claire mentioning rings (Saturday = Saturn = planet with rings around it)
- Vanessa's uncle regularly doing magic on Jan. 1; Vanessa's family going back to Arthurian times (Merlin?)
- did Vanessa specifically mention pomegranates for a reason?
- Vanessa's new computer arrived at 11
- Vanessa was shown a photo by her uncle of her mom "standing by some pillars in a church in Tuscany or Tuscania." I've asked her if the church looked like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tuscania_San_Pietro.jpg (San Pietro, a church in Tuscania).


Ok, I may be grasping for straws again, but.. relating the Ouroboros and Alchemy to Pomegranates and then to Tuscany.. Made me think of Assassin's Creed 2. I know - unrelated, but, the doctors in game talk about making an 'infusion of lead and pomegranate' - and part of the game is in Tuscany.

ANY WAY, on track.

I think we're not going to know much until the papers come in and we have things to actually match this information to, unless we've forgotten things and this info matches up to that.

Dawn, if your scanner is that bad, you could always send them to someone else. Claire wants to know that they got out to more than one person (seems three.), she doesn't have to know that they were scanned by the people she sent them to.
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Going back to his note to Jim, the phrase
'sovegna vos a temps de ma dolor'.
Poi s'ascose nel foco che gli affina.

seems to be a phrase Eliot was going to use in a draft version of The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock (my favorite, btw). Eliot took it from Dante's Purgatory.

Wiki says:

Quote:
Eliot provided this translation in his essay "Dante" (1929):

'be mindful in due time of my pain'.
Then dived he back into that fire which refines them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Love_Song_of_J._Alfred_Prufrock

James, I'll do that. If my scanner doesn't work, I'll pass it along to someone else.
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Possibly Vladimir feels in a sense he will be reunited with Annabell after death as Dante was with Beatrice in Purgatorio?

Vanessa Atalanta to Telos wrote:
She's an ancestor somewhere - going to do some research into it tomorrow - Uncle took a turn for the worst half hour ago

Re V's locket: Claire knows imo an awful lot and mentioned this locket in our last FB convo. Sounds quite antique.
Claire Hoskyns wrote:
she said that her locket was one of her relatives or something? Unlikely to be her gran as they had pics then for lockets and the locket is a little painted thing.


ETA: V's greatgran, Joan Nicks (=Nyx) was also married to Haydes Ere B.U. whose name is almost identical to the Underworld.
Nyx, goddess of the night had 6 children with Erebus and many by parthenogenesis inc. Phanes http://tinyurl.com/yapxo6o
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So in the past couple of minutes, Vlad has posted 17 new photos to an album called 111 111 111 111. Since he just posted them, I haven't had a chance to look at them much. Many look like scans from The Wasteland. One is labeled "Gen 2:17".
Quote:
but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
. Possibly referencing his own death soon?

His comment on the album itself is:
Quote:

Why lay everything out on a platter? The armies are marching, hurry up its time soon...


ETA:
Vlad just messaged me and called me "Guinevere". I had messaged him earlier apologizing for not being able to fulfill my duties as a monarch and knight and that if he wished me to succeed, I would.
Quote:

Our convo:
Vladimir

Guinevere, I doff my cap to you as I am about to take my leave.

Enjoy the books, I have no need of them now. You however, will.
8:36pmVladimir

It may seem, especially with your illness and balancing, that this is too much. The reveuse is true though...
8:38pmVladimir

Dawn?

Dawn?

Dawn?
8:38pmDawn

Apologies! I was rotating some of the book pages to better read them
8:39pmDawn

Thank you for having faith in me, Mr. Sirin. I only hope that I can continue to help Vanessa with her myriad of problems
8:40pmVladimir

She will be ready to fight when you are. Hopefully the fight wil delay until then.

Unles, of course, surrender is chosen...
8:41pmDawn

I will not be surrendering and it appears Vanessa is more determined than ever to find information about her family, for good or for bad. I fear there will be more "bad" than "good".


I got a note when I asked about JPW:

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He fears I plot revenge against him, to expose him, to seek justice for Annabella. I have had 10 years to do this. I have not. Also, the knowledge I have - his saccades would not work against me, not in hours of light. Others though, Claire, Vanessa, are not so protected or trained. Nor are you - yet.
I could have more time, but then I would have less time to talk to Johan - we must come to peace before we both die.
Four all our sakes.
The third side as it were in the game.
The two players themselves...
With one move left before the fool is complete


And then finally, a private message from Vlad. I can only think that the first part is referencing our facebook group to keep information readily available:

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As you have been polite throughout, with no malice and only a good heart, I will advise this - do not unite Johan's pieces ever again. Let them remain scattered. The temptation to use the machine is too strong for those who are old, let alone for the tempestuous youths now setting up pieces for a new game.
My voice will now quieten - with one brief glimmer once more, but not now. Not yet. Like a bard under a hill, when the time is right and not before. Sleep well and get better lady of the morning light.


Edit again: NO MOAR EDITS
Been talking to dreamerblue on FB chat. Seems Vlad doesn't want V, Claire, Johan, etc to have all the pieces to the puzzle, so to speak. He wants everything scattered, not just to keep information from "John" and others, but doesn't want Vanessa et al to have everything.

Also, Vlad's status now says his facebook is inactive. He changed his profile pic too. I've seen it before, possibly in Art Appreciation (aka "Art in the Dark") in college.
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I was chatting with Vlad at the same time Dawn was...I will miss chatting with him.

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8:33pm Vladimir

Ah, she that is of the L shaped armour.

8:35pm Vladimir

I bid the well, none came to me sighing with answers from the defining scientist and time, unfortunately, is now against me. Not you though, you still have your four walls and your complete parliament.

8:36pm Vladimir

It may seem, especially with your illness and balancing, that this is too much. The reveuse is true though...

8:37pm Rêveuse

We know who the scientist is...it's the caption we have to work out.

8:37pm Vladimir

The last comment was meant for the other chat, apologies. [i.e., the sentence he said at 8:36pm my time was supposed to be in his chat with Dawn...and he did indeed repeat it to her

Have to - no, no need now. Work on the rest - that was merely an apology for an indiscretion.

Would you like an answer to that riddle?

8:38pm Rêveuse

I like working stuff out...give me a good nudge and maybe a spot I can find the answer later if I want and I'll be good Smile

8:39pm Vladimir

Good. Glad you don't want a john's head.

8:39pm Rêveuse

Oh, I just saw you added some more comments to that picture, too...I'll look at those also

8:39pm Vladimir

What would you sigh for?

""

8:48pm Vladimir

Alas, it was empty...

That should be enough of my signs and symbols for now for you.
Good luck. It is unlikely we will chat again here.

8:48pm Rêveuse

We will miss you

8:49pm Vladimir

Aim better.

8:49pm Rêveuse

heh

but I don't want to hit you!

Not when there are better targets to hit.

but if you don't mind one more question...

8:52pm Rêveuse

perhaps one pointer on where your blue "the players are still at 0" picture is from?

Otherwise, I hope that when your passing comes, you will find reunion with the one for whom your heart longs.

8:54pm Rêveuse

is there anything we can do to help you pass reassured?


I hope when he reassured Dawn that "The reveuse is true" he wasn't assuming that I am going to be more free to help out than she is...I am a teacher and school starts up again Monday, so my schedule is also going to start getting very busy Sad. I will certainly help out as much as I can, though, and I will certainly take care of whatever papers Claire sends me.

Vlad telling Dawn,
Quote:
do not unite Johan's pieces ever again. Let them remain scattered.
reminded me of what he said to me this morning about having Claire send different pieces to different people:
Quote:
If she can be encouraged to scan them as a copy and then scatter them... [trailing ellipsis & unfinished sentence his, not mine]


...and the context was the idea of not letting John/etc. get their hands on the info, so I think it's not necessarily bad for US to share the info WITH EACH OTHER, but that it would be bad for John, JPW, and even Claire and Vanessa to see the info all together.

However...if any of you think we shouldn't share the info James, Dawn and I will likely receive, I will respect that, but then it seems the game could only be played by the 3 of us (and not well, since we'd each only have partial info), IMHO.

Edit: does this mean we need to come up with some lie to keep the info from Claire/etc....some excuse why we aren't posting it for the world to see?

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Quote:


Edit: does this mean we need to come up with some lie to keep the info from Claire/etc....some excuse why we aren't posting it for the world to see?


It seems like that's probably a good idea.

I know I've seen that figurine in Vlad's new profile pic, probably in person, but can I remember what it is right now? Nooooo. [/quote]

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Sirannon wrote:
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Edit: does this mean we need to come up with some lie to keep the info from Claire/etc....some excuse why we aren't posting it for the world to see?


It seems like that's probably a good idea.

I know I've seen that figurine in Vlad's new profile pic, probably in person, but can I remember what it is right now? Nooooo.
[/quote]

I think that's a good idea, as well. It shouldn't be too hard. Claire only agreed to all this because of her friendship with V. It doesn't seem like she has a vested interest in knowing a lot. V is still pretty flighty, so it shouldn't be too difficult.

I can't place that figurine either and it's driving me nuts! I put it into TinEye and it came back with no results.

ETA: I just checked my email. It seems Vlad finally checked his email (I originally sent my question to him via email, since I wanted to lay low on FB for a bit because of JPW). This is what he sent me. Just a little more backstory about JPW, who I'm sure will become more of a protagonist since Vlad is gone:

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Apologies for the delay in receiving this.
The computer I use for email has had some bugs in it. I have answered this, in part already. But ultimately, a friend, an enemy, a murderer and a mentor/student.
Good knight my Guinevere, remain white - do not become tainted with Eve's blood.


Dreamer just pointed this out, as I had just downloaded the picture and hadn't looked yet, but Vlad posted a dictionary page (page 111), that has the definition of "dawn". My name is defined on page 111. I don't know whether to be extremely weirded out or kind of proud.
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So for those who havn't seen it Vlad posted a thing called To the Knight Queen. It contains an answer to Dawn's question as well as a picture. I'm thinking the chess players are: us VS. JPW And the coach, or what I think is a coach, is Vlad... for now.

Also out of boredom... I looked up Proverbs 20:10. It says in the New World Translation: "Two sorts of weights and two sorts of e′phah measures—they are both of them together something detestable to Jehovah." Which basically talked about the sellers at the markets back then who used altered or different weights to tip the scales in their favour. Could be grasping at straws but... I dunno.

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Slept like a lamb thru' this Laughing Below a reply from Claire about the scans and Aunt's nickname,an important Religious Legend
Claire Hoskyns wrote:
Pope Joan!!!
thanks - that makes 4 now...

Quote:
I know I've seen that figurine in Vlad's new profile pic, probably in person, but can I remember what it is right now?

Vlad's new pic is a famous 17th century chess piece, Bishop and two deputies. located at the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Suspect Vlad turned the piece on its side to signify he is out of play "with one brief glimmer once more, but not now"


ETA: Agree with Jim's comment above esp. as Eakins's painting, The Chess Players, tells the story of a "younger chess player's attempt to kill the older player's king". LINK re V's FB post here below with the Romans/2nd Temple of Solomon background.

Vanessa Atalanta on FB wrote:
My uncle told me exactly, "Church of Santa Maria Maggiore in Tuscania". Then started saying it was about romans or something [never into churches and stuff, not as bad as Claire and her PJ!!!!]

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V posted a new FB status about planting flowers (Crocuses) with Johan. Crocuses apparently symbolize cheerfulness and gladness. Claire also responded to James' question about magic tricks. There's another blog post from V, as well. I won't copy and paste the whole thing, because it's rather long. new blog post

She is discussing prime numbers again, which will likely bring us back to 73939133, which is where we started and is something that has been forgotten with all the other information we have been given. She also posted a snippet from her horoscope for today. It's about working together with friends to make the work go faster. There's also a weird picture, another one that looks like I've seen it before, but can't place it.[/url]
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Doing the happy dance, Dawn, that you are feeling well. Very Happy And V changed her FB pic to a Red Admiral mosaic. Lotsa pieces.
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