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GuestanGaems wrote:
I remember reading on here or possibly on the MHwiki that it refers to a conversation in the movie, where the guy coming back home is remembering a set of marble hornet figurines that his parents used to have, or something like that.

In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, why did Jay name the channel "Marble Hornets"? All I can think is he named it before he looked through the tapes and was planning on editing the movie together into a coherent fashion and uploading it to youtube, maybe?

He named the channel "Marble Hornets" because he wanted to upload any interesting bits he found in the tapes of Marble Hornets footage (remember, these tapes were supposed to only have Marble Hornets footage).

As for the plot of the movie, it was basically about Brian coming home and finding that his hometown has changed while he grew up and he has to reconcile with his old friends. It wasn't a very good movie (as Jay thought; and I agree).

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Thanks for that Dav, but he was trying to answer my question. How does a film about coming home get named Marble Hornets?

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I always thought it must have had something to do with the idea of kids playing marbles for keepsies, as a bit of nostalgia to bring forth the idea of memories of younger days. Do you suppose "marble hornet" might be slang somewhere for some kid who's really into/good at playing marbles?

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That's what I thought, as well, but then someone went and mentioned hornet statues that Alex's parents had at some point...? I never had confirmation about that one!

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 Possible meaning of the Operator Symbol
It's about time I posted this theory....!

Hi there everyone, long time no post.
I had an idea that I keep meaning to share with you all, and now I'm here and so I'll just throw this onto the wall and see what strands of spaghetti stick.

I was looking through my notebook for another project at a list of to-dos, and the different shapes of boxes I use for different levels of importance in the hierarchy there. For big items I use a square, and for some subheadings I use a circle or an oval. When items are complete, I put a check into these shapes, and if the items are no longer wanted or relevant, I put an X into the center. Many of them end up looking like the Operator Symbol.

This put me in mind of this different meaning for the Operator Symbol: something that has been disregarded. A couple of related interpretations come to mind.
    Slender Man has been here, but now he's left this place.
    Slender Man has decided NOT to use this place.
    This is not a safe place to use, as SM comes here.
    This is one of a list of possible locations, but it has been disqualified or been proven incorrect somehow.

I know this has often been referred to as a warning about SM, and this doesn't necessarily disagree with that; on the other hand, it could be part of a sort of tally or reckoning.
Recall the video where we see many circles being drawn--this could represent a throng of possible candidates--people, places, weapons. . .
And then they're crossed out one by one in stop-motion: they're being disqualified;
and then, the whole group of crossed out items is crossed out itself, en masse. Maybe this means that the disqualifications are themselves considered invalid, and that they might as well be reconsidered??

What do you think?

I am gonna come back here more often. I miss my friends...though I'm so glad that some of you are my friends elsewere. You're all great!
Best wishes from Chris O'Brien, aka GnomonRose.
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I found this kinda interesting:

http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/47/477.html

I don't know if it has been posted already, didn't have the time to go through all the pages.
I think the meaning "child dies" is the most intresting part of it ^^ I still don't know if it fits to the MH - Plot, since there are no children involved. Rather seems to be connected to the "original" Slender Man - Myth.

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Well, now that we know that Slenderman's called [the operator] I've just figured that the Symbol doesn't really mean anything specific, it's just... a symbol representing him. Like, you can use it to represent him in prose ("SEES ME", that sorta thing), or you could scrawl it on the ground as a warning ("Watch out, k, 'cause [the operator] hangs out here and he'll want your 20 dollars"). As for why it represents him, it's obviously a head with the face X'd out, representing someone with no face.

As for other meanings it might have... I suppose it's possible, but for the past while I've been trying to take the most Occam-tastic view of the series in order to cut down to what I really know and can easily conclude. It really cuts out the crazy and tends to present a more coherent experience, though somewhat less puzzle-happy.

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Occamtizing Marble Hornets is like taking the sugar out of kool-aid. Suddenly you're left with this strangely-coloured suspension of particles that doesn't make much sense to consume!

Rambling comparisons aside, it's probably the best way to go about it... though we're given so little that without making some leaps, nothing much makes sense about Marble Hornets except that, oh no, the Operator's messing things up for Alex -- he was back then and he is, now! Jay is the helpless (and personality-less) secondary character who accidentally finds himself as the main protagonist!

Agreed about the (X) symbol meaning 'here be no face', by the way. It's the simplest and makes the most sense. Everything else surrounding it is probably a coincidence that can be said to be awesome.

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I have a theory about Masky, but I think what I have is outdated or not possible. Oh well, I would like to see if any of this makes sense.

Masky is Jay, Jay is Masky. Give me a chance to explain, I know that makes no sense.

So, I figure, since teleportation seems kinda big in this ARG, why not time travel? When Jay went on his little teleporting frenzy, didn't it get darker outside with each 'hop'? The house could very well be a source of time travel and such. The symbol, the circle with an X going through it, could be a beacon as to where you go.

Also, didn't Masky suffer a seizure of some sort after his first tackling of Jay? Maybe contacting your past self is bad for your health, which would explain the pills. OR letting your past self know you are, in fact them, is bad in general. [Cue the wormhole, bye bye universe, etc.] After all, Masky lost it when Jay tried to remove his mask. Perhaps Jay's future self is trying to change things... or make sure something does-or does not-happen.

Or I am thinking WAY too hard, and Masky is Tim. ^^

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Time travel in Marble Hornets is completely unnecessary a concept. It's a MH pet peeve of mine, and drives me crazy. Nothing personal at all, evilblackbunny, I think I've just seen one too many time travel theories lately!

Alright, so what's the MH proof of time travel happening? The light changing as Jay runs around the house and D:'s. That's the biggest one, and the only really defensible one. But here's the thing -- travelling forward in time is not particularly remarkable. As temporal creatures, we do it as a matter of course. You're doing it right now. Wouldn't it be more likely and make more sense if, rather than 'time travel' in the way that implies that backwards travel is as likely as forwards, Jay's sense of time is simply warping oddly or being distorted? The periods of time he's 'travelling' over are not days or weeks, but rather hours at most, and we see absolutely no evidence of backwards travel.

Anyways, if time travel WAS the case, I can't imagine humans would be able to make such keen use of it that people could go meet with their temporally displaced selves. The most supernatural human we see in the series is Masky, and man, what does he do? Drug Jay and distort some already shaky camerawork. A far cry from Back to the Future.

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JKatkina wrote:
Time travel in Marble Hornets is completely unnecessary a concept. It's a MH pet peeve of mine, and drives me crazy. Nothing personal at all, evilblackbunny, I think I've just seen one too many time travel theories lately!

Alright, so what's the MH proof of time travel happening? The light changing as Jay runs around the house and D:'s. That's the biggest one, and the only really defensible one. But here's the thing -- travelling forward in time is not particularly remarkable. As temporal creatures, we do it as a matter of course. You're doing it right now. Wouldn't it be more likely and make more sense if, rather than 'time travel' in the way that implies that backwards travel is as likely as forwards, Jay's sense of time is simply warping oddly or being distorted? The periods of time he's 'travelling' over are not days or weeks, but rather hours at most, and we see absolutely no evidence of backwards travel.

Anyways, if time travel WAS the case, I can't imagine humans would be able to make such keen use of it that people could go meet with their temporally displaced selves. The most supernatural human we see in the series is Masky, and man, what does he do? Drug Jay and distort some already shaky camerawork. A far cry from Back to the Future.


I don't take it as personal at all, and I'm VERY happy that I got such a well explained reply. They way you put it blows just what I said out of the water, and I couldn't be happier about it. This IS one of my older theories, and I just put it up to see if it had any merit. Thanks JKatkina.

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I was extremely against time travel as well a bit ago, but every anti one I read makes me think it's more plausible. Let's review some supporting reasons:

1) Slendy teleports. This could be because he is a mystic demon, or he has more time control than we originally thought. Think of it this way. If you could accelerate the time around something, that thing would stay where it was, while everyone else had their chance to move to the latter position.

2) Jay disappeared from his room for three hours. Did he really disappear, or was he accelerated while the world remained in current time.

3) Finally, the camera clock jacking. Perhaps the clocks on cameras are accurate and aren't being jacked by slendy. Maybe he sped up time around everyone again but the people he was after. The camera would keep correct time, while viewers would interpret it as technical difficulties.

Those reasons are the most supporting I can think of. I'm sure that time travel has nothing to do with MH at all. I just want to keep a list of possibilities open.

Oh, and the getting darker theory is not likely. The clouds often dim the light of the sun.

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SticktheFigure wrote:
I was extremely against time travel as well a bit ago, but every anti one I read makes me think it's more plausible. Let's review some supporting reasons:

1) Slendy teleports. This could be because he is a mystic demon, or he has more time control than we originally thought. Think of it this way. If you could accelerate the time around something, that thing would stay where it was, while everyone else had their chance to move to the latter position.

2) Jay disappeared from his room for three hours. Did he really disappear, or was he accelerated while the world remained in current time.

3) Finally, the camera clock jacking. Perhaps the clocks on cameras are accurate and aren't being jacked by slendy. Maybe he sped up time around everyone again but the people he was after. The camera would keep correct time, while viewers would interpret it as technical difficulties.

Those reasons are the most supporting I can think of. I'm sure that time travel has nothing to do with MH at all. I just want to keep a list of possibilities open.

Oh, and the getting darker theory is not likely. The clouds often dim the light of the sun.


I get blown out of the water by one and get pulled back in by another! Very Happy You have also made some excellent points, though I'll admit I am NOT good with how time travel works.

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SticktheFigure wrote:
I was extremely against time travel as well a bit ago, but every anti one I read makes me think it's more plausible. Let's review some supporting reasons:

1) Slendy teleports. This could be because he is a mystic demon, or he has more time control than we originally thought. Think of it this way. If you could accelerate the time around something, that thing would stay where it was, while everyone else had their chance to move to the latter position.

2) Jay disappeared from his room for three hours. Did he really disappear, or was he accelerated while the world remained in current time.

3) Finally, the camera clock jacking. Perhaps the clocks on cameras are accurate and aren't being jacked by slendy. Maybe he sped up time around everyone again but the people he was after. The camera would keep correct time, while viewers would interpret it as technical difficulties.

Those reasons are the most supporting I can think of. I'm sure that time travel has nothing to do with MH at all. I just want to keep a list of possibilities open.

Oh, and the getting darker theory is not likely. The clouds often dim the light of the sun.


Most of these support Slendy manipulating time in a forward, normal flow, but not the ability to reverse it. Even if there is time travel it seems more like he's hitting fast forward or slo-mo than rewind. This is why I don't think that even if there is some time tampering going on, Jay is going to be also Masky and/or TTA come back from the future to fuck with himself. o_O" Especially when the MH guys spent so much time trying to convince us that Tim == Masky == TTA.

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