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[VIDEO] Entry #23
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Dray
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Also, I'm not really sure why [Tim] says he doesn't remember seeing Slendy in his interview. Whether it's because he really doesn't remember (Slendy effect), because he managed to escape it all and doesn't want to get involved again, or doesn't want Jay to get involved, or what.


I'm wondering where Jay's 'anonymous' tip to Brian's house came from. If it was somehow Tim (Jay gets the tip immediately after seeking Tim out, after all!) then I'm not sure that Tim necessarily wanted to keep him from getting involved!

That might actually be a point for a Tim-doppleganger, or at least a Tim that was gotten to by Slendy some how. If the pills and clothing getup is a clue that Tim is Masky, his continued association with Slendy could be what's caused him to have his epileptic attack...

Or like JKat mentioned, if Tim is the Ark-crew's go-fer, he may have come into contact with Slendy unwittingly more often.

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But I think the painting is somehow relevant, at least to Alex.


I remember reading somewhere that believing in Slendy somehow makes him more real? That might be a long shot, but given the extreme distortion when the camera attempts to zoom in on the script in Entry 20, and Alex's brief mention of it being a terrifying, horrible place... maybe it's a case of dreaming boogiemen into reality? If the trees reminded him of Slendy, Alex might have put it away because he was frightened that he'd summon slendy, Betelgeuse-style, by thinking too hard about it.

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Mithost wrote:
I'm also entertaining the idea that Slendy may have gotten Tim, though I find that extremely unlikely, as it would mean there's a Tim-doppleganger walking about, or that Slendy didn't really do anything to him.


What if Tim was taking medication for some previously present medical condition, ie something that would cause the kind of seizure he has after his charge at Jay in 18, and the coughing Slendy-sickness is something else?

Seizure medication works on the brain in some capacity. Perhaps that allowed Tim to escape damage at Slenderman's hands -- maybe Slenderman relies on brainfuckery to ultimately dispatch his victims, and Tim's medication messed with that progress. Hence why Masky seemed to tear Brian's house up pretty bad after his pills went missing, like he was looking for something. (I also think he tackled the fuck out of Jay when he came back to the house in 18 because he wanted his damn pills back and thought Jay had them. If the pills are for BOTH treating seizures AND thwarting Slendy, I mean, I imagine he'd be pretty desperate to get them back.)

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If this is the case, then maybe Tim is in the same boat as him, but hasn't gotten back involved in it because he doesn't really care, or doesn't have the information Jay does that would make him get involved in it.


But Tim IS (probably) involved, as (a) Masky. And it seemed like he only got involved after he realized after the interview that Jay was getting back into it. I mean, he got the tip about Brian's place right after the interview -- it stands to reason that it either came from Tim or from someone Tim told about Jay's searching questions.

It seems to me like Tim remembers about Slenderman, either consciously on un-. His body language during the interview just seemed so... nervous. Sketchy.

In any case, this is part of the reason why I think Masky and TTA are two different entities, though in cahoots. Masky shows up after the interview, but TTA shows up several entries earlier. I think TTA is Alex, who knew Jay had the footage and was trying to discourage him from investigating too deeply into what happened, and Masky is Tim (and possibly other people). I think Tim got back in contact with Alex somehow and now the two are working in cahoots to do... something. I'm inclined to say that they're trying to guide Jay in an oblique manner to something other than a bad ending, and that they can't be straightforward because Slendy will somehow know and simply memoryfuck Jay again.

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So much so that he takes down a painting in someone else's house. ... I don't really know. But I think the painting is somehow relevant, at least to Alex.


I dunno, I thought they just took it down because they thought it was fugly and they didn't want their "Marble Hornets Special Feature Bonus Extra" to be fugly. XD but I could be wrong.

Mithost wrote:
-BRAINSTORMING!-


YYYEAH!~

tl;dr: Tim's pills are Slendy repellent, Masky and TTA are different people because they showed up at different times, and that painting is ugly.

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Also I wonder why the labels were torn off.

I can see someone maybe tearing them off if they were taking meds from the bottle around friends and were embarassed about what they were taking, but that doesn't seem as likely. Also, they were all torn off in the ransacked house.

So, yeah. Sorry about all the posting, just trying to throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks.


That's...interesting actually. It's possible Tim might have stuck something else in there. This is going way out on a limb here, but maybe he was the first one to see Slenderman, went to a doctor because of hallucinations, and was put on some kind of antihallucinogenic drug. If he didn't want his friends to think he was crazy, he could have stuck the pills in a generic over-the-counter drug bottle to stave off suspicion. Maybe tearing off the label was just a way to distinguish the bottle from other bottles of ibuprofen.

If I wanted to go out further on the limb, maybe Tim is the only one who got 'sick' like that because he's more susceptible to spiritual interference, while the others are less in tune to the supernatural.

And no need to apologize, it's good to see this place alive and talking and stuff being brought up. Very Happy

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 		I can't remember - do we ever actually see the pills directly associated with anyone other than Tim?

I mean besides when Jay comes in and steals them.

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 		I don't think we do. I'd have to re-watch some videos to be absolutely certain, but I'm reasonably sure they're not.

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 		Yeah, okay. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't something obvious I was just forgetting. I have a horrendous memory.

...Slendy D:

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And no need to apologize, it's good to see this place alive and talking and stuff being brought up.


Ditto! I always love a good talk-around-in-circles. We might stumble on something... or at least pass the time more entertainingly until the next upload!

Also, going back to #16, those pill bottles both seem to have their labels, though it is hard to say for sure. It could be that in #19.5 and #23 the labels have been removed so that Jay, should he have thought to investigate them, would have no leads on what the pills actually were.

Could be from embarrassment also. ">_> I want nobody to know that this seizure medication is also the secret to my magnificently lustrous sideburns!"


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If I wanted to go out further on the limb, maybe Tim is the only one who got 'sick' like that because he's more susceptible to spiritual interference, while the others are less in tune to the supernatural.


I don't know if I buy that Tim has some odd connection to the spiritual. He seems like an otherwise pretty normal guy (at least from what we see of him!) who is kind of apathetic and passively disparaging towards Alex (actually if Alex rolling his eyes at Tim being late has any substance, perhaps the two kind of don't like one another? >_> If one is Masky and one is TTA that could be significant!)

ANYways, JKat's suggestion that the medication does something to help with the brain frying seems to hold a little more water, if only because the pills are prominent and Tim is still around, and is in fact the only person other than Jay (who also seems to get that weird cough...?) who is still definitely around 3 years after the events that Alex recorded.

It could just be luck of the draw as well!

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I can't remember - do we ever actually see the pills directly associated with anyone other than Tim?


The only other even marginally helpful evidence that the pills could be associated with another person is that in #23, Jay notices the pills in the same room that we see a plaid shirt just like the one that Alex was wearing in #22... though Alex had mentioned that he was holing up in Brian's house in #22 so the shirt could have been left there for three years, for whatever reason.

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...Slendy D:


ohshi---

hee hee. Anyways, for shits and giggles I did some reading up on seizure medications. From here:

"Most seizure medications control seizures by slowing down or stopping neuronal excitability in certain parts of the brain. This reduces the risk of neurons firing uncontrollably, which causes seizures. In some cases, seizure medications are used to treat other conditions such as neuropathy and certain mental health problems, although how it works to treat these conditions is not completely understood."

Used to treat: "bipolar disorder (also known as manic-depressive disorder), certain personality disorders and sleep disorders" Could be significant. If Slendy-sickness includes unfortunate psychological side effects, maybe Tim's medication exempted him from those as well. However, Jay does mention that Tim was acting strangely in 20. Perhaps:

"levetiracetam (Keppra)
• Increased risk of infection

• Behavioral disturbance" <--? I'm kind of reaching here, but hey, maybe.

"inhibit abnormal neuron activity in the brain" might be significant too. Slendy causes abnormal neuron activity perhaps? I wish they were more specific. I'll do some more reading.


"Common side effects of seizure medications may include:
...
• Clumsiness"

heheheee. Poor Masky.

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 		Inhibiting abnormal neuron activity in the brain sounds like it could be relevant. If what causes people to forget things is a weird cross-wiring or disturbing of neurons, Tim taking his pills regularly would make him an excellent go-fer... I mean, I'm sure that Slendy could kick anybody's ass, but maybe Tim/Masky (or just Masky, whatever) is the most likely to be immune.

Still doesn't explain why Jay appears to have gotten away scott free over and over and over again though.

Damn, being a narrative voice must have more perks than I'd previously thought~!

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 		I'm going to ask a friend about her anti-seizure meds tomorrow and see if she has anything to say on the matter. She keeps up with MH too so she may have some insight!

Also it's getting late enough that if I watch many more of these videos it's going to start freaking me out.

But yeah, I looked back at Entry 16, and didn't see that the labels were ripped off. Just my brain filling things in I guess.

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 		Oh, do keep us updated!

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 		She says that if you're looking for something that alters brain waves, you're not looking at Keppra. She says Keppra is one of the few that doesn't have an effect on mental health, though she says doctors still don't understand precisely how it works, just that it does. The only side effect on her bottle is dizziness.

She suggested among other things that a Masky might be taking Tranxene (clorazepate), a benzodiazepine/GABA-A receptor agonist which is similar to valium. It is used for anxiety, withdrawal, mental health, insomnia, and seizures. Some conditions may become worse if the drug is abruptly stopped. It also increases suicide risk.

She and I agreed that as far as anti-seizure meds go, this sounds like the most likely candidate. Whether he's on it or not, dunno.

I also decided to Google causes of seizures, and found this:

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Injuries that may cause seizures include choking, head injury such as a motor vehicle accident or sports injury, electrical injuries, injury during birth or in the uterus, poisonous insect bites or stings

Additional factors that may cause seizures include alcohol withdrawal • craniotomy, which is brain surgery, high fever, especially in young children, illegal drugs such as cocaine, lead poisoning, overheating, withdrawal from some medicines, including those used to treat seizures.


Alex had blood on his head, but I don't think we know if he had a head injury. I can't tell whether I think the seizure may have been caused by taking too many of the pills, or by not taking the pills. I think it could be either.

There's nothing to suggest that anyone other than that particular Masky had a seizure, so I can't tell if it is directly related to the medication or not.

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 		Just watching #23 again, and it does show the pills themselves. Standard Tylenol shape, which does not support the idea of Tranxene.

I realize that they probably wouldn't actually have any Tranxene, but then I would think they'd just not show the pills.

There's also what looks like a bottle of cough syrup next to the pills. Just mention it because that might narrow down what the pills are/do.

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 		They do look a lot like tylenol-alike pills, don't they? :c Rats, that all sounded pretty intriguing. (Especially linking the potential head-wound from Alex in that earlier entry! I hadn't thought about that... but it could be that Masky in #18 is Alex! Then again, in #18 there is one point where it sounds like Masky is the one who is coughing heavily. Again with the Tim hacking up a lung and Alex never really showing those kinds of signs...)

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Entry #24 will be posted later tonight.


The pills don't looks like Tylenol because they aren't pills, but capsules. You see, the hard-shell shines in the camera. Tylenol are like pills, at least in my country. Check #23 at 1:58.

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