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[VIDEO] Entry #23
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Yellowbus0d00m wrote:
Look VERY CLOSELY at the right eyehole in the mask picture... is that an eye?

The right eye hole changes in the video from balck to white in various places during the skully video.
And I'm not sure why, but for some reason I belive that theres a seperate video playing in his eye.
As in if someone were to enlarge the eye and enhance it you would see a video of masky or something playing in his right eye.

Very unlikely, I know, but I saw someone somewhere make a video or a comment about that once.
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Conversation about the front door and whether or not it being closed created the illusion of day changing to night moved here by Zarggg's request.

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^Would you mind providing some context for those who don't want to scroll through other threads pages to understand whats going on?

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Animal wrote:
^Would you mind providing some context for those who don't want to scroll through other threads pages to understand whats going on?


Yeah man, sorry. Gonna try to word this impartially, so I'll leave my opinion on the matter out of this post:

The argument basically boiled down to whether or not day changed to night rapidly in entry 23. Some say it did, because the house seemed to get dark as Jay went from room to room, and natural sunlight appeared to fade. Others say it did not, and that it only appeared to be night because the front door at the bottom of the stairs was closed during the entry, blocking out the natural sunlight, in addition to the entry allegedly being filmed at dusk, explaining why the windows appeared to darken, as opposed to actually darkening.

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It looks to me like the entry does rapidly go from day to night. Whether or not it's time travel or time distortion or a continuity error is up for you to decide, but it does indeed seem to happen.

The pictures go like this:
1 2
3 4
5
You can see in picture 3 that there is still light downstairs even after the front door is closed. Pictures 2 and 4 show that the upstairs landing is relatively the same brightness before and after the door is closed. Then after the 'time warp' or whatever you want to call it, the downstairs becomes pitch black in picture 5.

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Thanks for going to that trouble, Craig. There's still light at the bottom after the door is closed, and then a short time later it's completely dark, with the door having already been closed. So no, the closing of the front door did not make it look like night time.

The only valid question left is whether this was deliberate, or simply a continuity error created by the time it took to film the entry and these individual room-jumps. I'm of the opinion that the guys who delayed one of the more recent entries so that the weather would appear the same in every shot wouldn't let such a continuity error slip through, ergo it was probably deliberate.

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Maybe it's not anything to do with time and just simply distortion caused by the jumping affecting the camera like at the end of Entry 44. In 44 when TO appears the camera flickers and the longer he's in frame the darker and darker it gets. It then goes wonky and flickers and goes back to normal.

Could be the same thing affecting the camera.

--OR--

Jay gets teleported to the building from Entry #22 where it's night time. This leads me to believe 1 of 2 things.

1) Jay passed out after being teleported (and edited out the time in between)
2) Time passed faster (with the entire house being affected by TO it'd work the same way time is affected in the Slender-verse

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Geneaux486 wrote:
Thanks for going to that trouble, Craig. There's still light at the bottom after the door is closed, and then a short time later it's completely dark, with the door having already been closed. So no, the closing of the front door did not make it look like night time.

The only valid question left is whether this was deliberate, or simply a continuity error created by the time it took to film the entry and these individual room-jumps. I'm of the opinion that the guys who delayed one of the more recent entries so that the weather would appear the same in every shot wouldn't let such a continuity error slip through, ergo it was probably deliberate.
By that same token, this was done years ago. It's entirely possible that they did let it slip by them, and learned from the mistake after people noticed how much the lighting changed and started claiming "OMG!! It's time travel." I like poking bee hives with sharp sticks, also.

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What about right before Jay gets teleported into that basement?
There's still sunlight. And it's not that much darker than it was at the start of the video.

What if Masky was purposely closing the window blinds and doors?

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The quality of those screenshots is poor and undefined. I'll have better ones in a few hours. I'm still at work. I'll even include time codes for the parts I'm talking about.

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Bernie Buddy wrote:
What about right before Jay gets teleported into that basement?
There's still sunlight. And it's not that much darker than it was at the start of the video.

What if Masky was purposely closing the window blinds and doors?


Or it was simply another passage of time, and Jay exited that weird closet bed the day after he went into the house. Plus, the blinds were already closed at the beginning of the entry. They didn't completely block out sunlight.

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The quality of those screenshots is poor and undefined.


So what? They all still happened, which is the entire point.

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when jay comes out of the closet downstairs, there is still light in the house. the idea that jay time traveled twice in one visit is ludicrous when we've never seen any time travel in the series. he also makes the claim that he woke up in his home the NEXT DAY

believers of the whole time traveling from day to night to day time theory would be assuming that 24 hours had passed since his initial entrance to the house when he leaves the closet. factor in the time in the basement + time blacked out from the operator encounter + time for hoody to get him home (thats an assumption, bc hoody seems to be the one who rescues people while they're blacked out), and you're cutting it really closet to calling it "the next day"


if that's not proof enough than you can keep believing that time travel exists in marble hornets, but the lack of including time travel in any entry since 23 proves you wrong imo. if it existed they would have shown it again by now. they've made it perfectly clear that the operator can teleport, and teleport people to different areas, but he has never teleported someone through time.

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If anything, the light on the bottom floor after Jay leaves the closet proves that the time distortion happened, as we can observe a total lack of any natural sunlight while Jay is upstairs for a few minutes (we see light shining through the bedroom windows, and then we don't), followed by natural sunlight when he leaves the closet.

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the idea that jay time traveled twice in one visit is ludicrous when we've never seen any time travel in the series.


The frequency of the phenomenon in the series is completely irrelevant to whether or not it happened once. It doesn't matter how ludicrous you think it is, the fact remains that it was pitch black in that house, then it was light again when he left that closet.

What bugs me here is how you've claimed you know Marble Hornets like the back of your hand, and you've gone off on other people for missing supposedly obvious details, but you reject something here that's plain as day (or night) not because it didn't happen (it did) but because you don't like the concept of it. You're basically denying what we saw happen in the entry, that it was broad daylight when Jay went upstairs, and after a few minutes of going from room to room, it was pitch black everywhere, including upstairs windows, which we saw with light shining through them at first, and then later when he passes his flashlight over 'em, there's no light at all. And no, it's not because the front door closed, there was still light at the bottom of the staircase after the front door closed, and then shortly thereafter, when he looks down the staircase again, there was no light down there at all.

You want to take any step towards actually disproving the time distortion at all, start by explaining that stuff, instead of acting like it didn't happen. Why did the upstairs windows cease to show sunlight in a matter of minutes? Why did the space at the bottom of the staircase go completely dark after the door had already been closed? Why was there suddenly light waiting to greet Jay outside of the closet when we clearly saw that there was no natural sunlight towards the end of Jay's time upstairs? Go rewatch the entry if you don't believe me, literally everything I just cited is visible in it.

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but the lack of including time travel in any entry since 23 proves you wrong imo.


No, the fact that time travel doesn't occur after entry 23 does not somehow retroactively change entry 23. Alex hasn't pulled a gun on Jay since entry 52, does that somehow prove that it never happened at all? Of course not, we still saw it happen that one time.

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I don't even really see the downstairs as being significantly brighter than the upstairs became before Jay teleported there. I guess it's a bit brighter but he's in the hallway so briefly, shining his flashlight to floodlight 90% of the enclosed area, and there's more potential sources for moonlight to enter downstairs. It doesn't seem so conclusive that one could say it was definitely day or night in that one shot.

Everything prior to that is very obviously progressing from day to night, though.

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Whether it's intentional or not is debatable, I guess, but it seems like too obvious of a transition to be overlooked by Troy, even in season 1. I don't really understand why some people are so resistant to the idea that people could skip forward in time slightly, but are totally okay with teleportation and magic Masky seizures.


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Is it possible that we're missing the Occam's Razor solution here, and that all that happens is:

Jay goes upstairs.
Jay pokes around in the bathroom.
Jay sees Tim.
Jay chases Tim into the Diamond Mattress/Pill room (Doorknob on the right of the door)
Jay sees the pills.
Jay turns, opens the door.
IMMEDIATE CLOSEUP of a different mattress. This is the Crooked Op Symbol Room. (Doorknob on the left of the door)
Audio Distortion, but slowly fading, then cutting out altogether.
Jay opens the door, looks around, goes across the hall to the room on the left. POssibly the same room he chased Tim into (doorknob would be on the right on the inside)...
And it opens into the Crooked Op Symbol room (doorknob on the left again).
He goes out, looks around again, goes BACK to the room he chased Tim into (Doorknob on the right on the inside, since it's on the left on the outside)...
And immediately comes out of the Crooked Op Symbol room, then decides to follow the Doll's advice and goes into the other room.

Now, sure, yes, you can say TIME TRAVEL! SPACE TRAVEL! TIME/SPACE TRAVEL! ROBOT MONKEYS! JUST CAUSE WE'VE SEEN THEM BEFORE DOESN'T MEAN THEY AREN'T THERE!
Doesn't it make more sense, though, to just take the simplest approach and think, up to this point, Jay has had memory blanks, and he's had times when he's gotten up out of bed and done stuff without being aware of it.
Hell, he had a whole entry he didn't remember, as well as seven months of investigation just gone.
So we know that a memory gap could possibly be in play here.
Also, we know the Operator/Alex/Tim/Hoody/Jessica All the time/sometimes distort the camera audio and video.
So, is it not possible that Jay chases Tim, goes into the Pill Room, pokes around, leaves, and gets screwed with by the Operator? The Operator takes control of him, at the same instant the camera cuts out, Jay is guided back into the other room, and then the Operator leaves. Jay comes to, doesn't remember leaving, is looking around the room, zooms in on the mattress, and the camera cuts back on.
Repeat several times.
We KNOW the Operator is nearby because at the very beginning of the entry, there's a screen tear.
Also, it's entirely possible that Jay DID go there late in the evening. He brought a flashlight with him, knowing it would be dark soon. So all the Operating that happens to him doesn't need to take a lot of time. Just maybe thirty minutes to an hour for it to get as dark as it does.
Then, finally, he goes into the bathroom, and gets totally Hardcore Operated. The camera fratzing out for as long as it does backs that up. It's the same thing that happens in the Tim's chest-cam footage when he was taken by the Operator.
Maybe this is what happens to Jay here?
He wakes up in the closet he flounders around for a moment, the camera recovers and starts recording again, he gets the flashlight working again, which was also fratzed out by the Operator, and when he goes out of the closet, it's definitely NOT as bright as it was when he entered. When he first entered, his flashlight almost made no difference to what he was seeing, and when he comes out of the closet, his flashlight is making a big difference. Clearly time has passed.
Some more darkness and distortion, and the camera starts up again the Basement of Doom. He runs into the Operator, and wakes up at home the next day. He remembers nothing other than what the footage shows.

So, is it possible that it wasn't time/space manipulation, but was just Jay blanking out, the camera fratzing at the same time, and it only LOOKS like he's jumping through time?

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