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Black&Blue
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 		Making Connections
Now, I've been lurking this forum for about three months, watching as you all have tried to figure this out, and there's a single glaring issue that I think needs to be addressed: you never look at the whole picture. I see you looking at small sections of the story, bits and pieces, and in the few times where one of you has a burst of insight and actually looks at everything at once, then you make connections and move further into the mystery. So I think we all need to take a step back, and examine everything at once and see how it connects, how it all relates.

The strategy guide and the Wiki are our two most useful compendiums of information as of right now, and the best thing to look at.

Some reoccurring themes I have seen in looking over the old threads, and some theories:

-Water (weakening/strengthening Slenderman)
-Trees (the forest, the tower, "preceding trees/deeper secrets")
-Fire ("fire department" followed by distortion)
-Teleportation (Slenderman may have the ability to teleport, Jay's disappearances within his own house)
-Audio Distortion and Hidden Messages (prevalent throughout the series, and not all have yet been decoded)
-Visual tearing (a largely untapped resource, it doesn't seem that we have investigated too far into this, though I may be wrong)
-Multiple Slendies/Maskies (just speculation, although a possibility)
-Time Travel (has been mentioned on multiple occasions, though this seems to be a dead-end trail)

That's all that comes to mind at the moment. But we seem to be mostly coming to a standstill, and I'd hate to see us reach endgame with so many mysteries left. So please, come here, present everything you know, all of your speculations, and let us see what connects, and what we can infer from what we have been given. As we have been told by the creators, there are "doors unopened", things "left untapped". We need to "listen to it all".

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 		Not to sound hypocritical, but this as a first post comes across as sounding pretty pretentious, or patronizing at the least.

I can't speak for the rest of the board, but I have come to the point where I think that we're going to have to sit back and wait for answers to unfold. As was mentioned earlier (I think it was The Rogue Wolf who brought it up?) clues without context can lead largely to conjecture. What we have here are a great many clues, but no framework to solve them... and I realize that you're trying to spur us into discovering and fleshing out that framework, but if the past four pages of the forum aren't testament enough, I think that the community has been giving it their best shot.

Please enlighten our too-tightly focused minds to where you think the big picture is leading. As you mentioned, I know that I've tried to look at everything at once, but it's only led to speculation, not to solving anything (if we can really do that!)

I think that because this is not a full-on ARG, we can't hope to solve these things like puzzles that lead to new content. What we can do is take these clues and use them as cues to where we think the story is heading, or to pad out our knowledge of the missing three and a half years between when Alex first began filming Marble Hornets and Jay's current dilemma. Maybe we can even get a vague idea of the groundwork (in character) that happened before Alex started the whole crew on their spiral into Bad Things Happening™.

I don't like seeing the forum come to a stand still either... but I think that we may be stuck for context until we hit the end of the road and know that the story is finished, you know? I don't think that we're going to find any secret URL's or messages that will help us kick it forward... maybe I'm just being pessimistic.

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 		Re: Making Connections
[quote="Black&Blue"]-Water (weakening/strengthening Slenderman)

Where we have actually some connection between SM and Water? Because, I only saw some speculations about it, due to some streams closer to the gazebo, and that undeground place. But I don't really get some correlation with water, but with the forest that surround those places.

[quote="Black&Blue"]-Trees (the forest, the tower, "preceding trees/deeper secrets")

SM "Folklore" is connected directly to trees and such. On MH It don't acts on cities, only places surrounded by trees.

Black&Blue wrote:
-Fire ("fire department" followed by distortion)


And you have a big fire on Brian's painting.

Black&Blue wrote:
-Teleportation (Slenderman may have the ability to teleport, Jay's disappearances within his own house)


There is NO evidence of this one. On Entry #4 it only seems to run, altough very fast.

Black&Blue wrote:
-Audio Distortion and Hidden Messages (prevalent throughout the series, and not all have yet been decoded)
-Visual tearing (a largely untapped resource, it doesn't seem that we have investigated too far into this, though I may be wrong)


Audio and Visual distortion is commonly observed when Mask and SM are around, being SM effect more disruptive, but it seems to be triggered, at least in the intensity

There is need to decode only TTA's videos. J don't encode a thing (but, perhaps he holds, or discard, valuable information)

Black&Blue wrote:
-Multiple Slendies/Maskies (just speculation, although a possibility)


There isn't really evidence to both of the theory.

Black&Blue wrote:
-Time Travel (has been mentioned on multiple occasions, though this seems to be a dead-end trail)


There ISN'T one single evidence of Time Travel, that can't be attributed to tape tampering.

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 		Re: Making Connections
Black&Blue wrote:
-Water (weakening/strengthening Slenderman)


Keep in mind, Guest, all of TTA's water-themed videos. Both the titles of his videos and some of the content relates to rivers, rain, sinks, and other water imagery. There is also the matter of the ark! Smile The water bottles that we see scattered around (and which Tim drinks from), a stream that Jay lingers over near the red tower in #21...

It could be that water has nothing to do with Slender Man, so much as it has to do with Tim/TTA/Masky. We don't seem to have any evidence that water strengthens or weakens Slender Man, however we see that TimMasky is reliant on it.

For example, in #17, when he glugs a bottle, the strange interference that we see in his shadow on the wall disappears, and the entire tape cuts out. (He's also drinking from a fountain in #15, and there seems to be no evidence of distortion during the interview. Compare that with #20 where there's quite a lot of blurring and clipping around Tim's arrival and when the camera's focusing on him, then after his coughing bout in the hall, he has water and either the video is cut, or Jay cuts the rest out. Either way...

We may have been looking at water wrong, trying to pair it up with Slender Man. If Tim/Masky's linked with water imagery, it could be that this whole thing is an analogy. Tim = water, needing to be led to the ark... to fulfill the ark's purpose? Without water, the ark is kind of pointless, right?


Black&Blue wrote:
-Trees (the forest, the tower, "preceding trees/deeper secrets")
-Fire ("fire department" followed by distortion)
-Teleportation (Slenderman may have the ability to teleport, Jay's disappearances within his own house)


Fire imagery. There's also the bonfire pit mentioned near the red structure, where Sarah's character was supposed to be hanging out. Aside from that, we don't have much. I suppose that if I were to roll with the previous idea that TTA == water somehow, then whatever represents fire could be after the ark to destroy it. (Fire beats plant beats water. XD Oh pokemons...) This seems like a leap somehow; it may be that fire is a coincidental element in the storytelling.

Teleportation is still an unknown. I think that we are supposed to assume that it is a given, though we do not have a specific source or a reason behind it.

Trees are a given, I think. They come part and parcel with the Slendy mythos. The den of the monster, the fear of the unknown. A place for hiding and secrets. A place beyond control of people. I feel that we don't need to look further at the trees, we know that Slender Man originated from a forested area. Deeper secrets -- we found tape #22 in the park. We are probably good for digging, here. It's likely that further entries will return BACK to the trees at some point, but I don't think that we're going to make any huge "WOAH, WHAT?!" discoveries looking here. (Unless we find Alex. Or Brian or Sarah or Seth. XD)

Black&Blue wrote:
-Audio Distortion and Hidden Messages (prevalent throughout the series, and not all have yet been decoded)
-Visual tearing (a largely untapped resource, it doesn't seem that we have investigated too far into this, though I may be wrong)


I agree that there is probably more to the distortion and hidden messages. If you read back through the various TTA threads (sounds like you have been!) there is some very interesting talk about what people got out of each upload. Again, I'm figuring that we won't find any phone numbers lodged in morse code, but they might lend insight about why TTA is being a douche bag and using Jay for his own purposes.

Black&Blue wrote:
-Multiple Slendies/Maskies (just speculation, although a possibility)
-Time Travel (has been mentioned on multiple occasions, though this seems to be a dead-end trail)


You only included these to be thorough. XD I for one am settled that TTA is Masky is Tim.... going back through the entries, you can see various places where the creators are pointing and pointing and probably biting their lips not to shriek "OH GOD YOU GUYS, PAY ATTENTION!" I mean... it's not too clear that TTA is Tim/Masky. I would not rip my hair out in disbelief if they introduced another character as TTA, actually! Using 'us' and 'we' is a pretty big kicker when juxtaposed directly with a 'I' and 'me' statement... but again, people can shoot that down by pairing up Masky as Slendy's accomplice, so that doesn't leave us much of a point FOR multi-maskies or TTA/Masky pairs at work.

Time travel has not been given to us explicitly the way that teleportation seems to have been. Just because we see footage out of order without time stamps does not mean that things are literally weaving in and out of time without regard for linearity. We are perceiving things out of time, but just because we are being presented a non-linear format of story telling doesn't mean that we should leap to the conclusion that things aren't occurring as they should be!


So... basically, this is all a longer winded replica of what Guest said. XD D'oh!

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 		Sorry if I sounded patronizing, it just frustrates me at times how little progress we are making. >.< I have been trying to read over the archives to see what all has been discovered, and it seems that there is some very interesting stuff to be found in TTA's videos as well as quite a bit of morse code that seems to have yet been decoded in several videos.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned (well, I probably did, but I don't remember >.<) is the meaning of the ark. I'm sure it's been said before, and I'll probably get called a moron, but what is Alex's middle name, since his his initials are so far A_K?

I can definitely see the significance of water and fire in here. It has been mentioned the possibility that Slenderman is a fire spirit, or at least someone who had previously died in a fire. Water/Ark, the correlation is obvious there. Then again, you have to consider the meanings of ark; it is both a type of ship and a reservoir of divine/powerful knowledge. In the case of MH, it could possibly be both.


Yes Dray, I only mentioned the last two so I could have a thorough presentation of the theories. Those really have no base or solid evidence to them, so I'm mostly disregarding them as being possiblities.

The clues that TTA has given us, specifically the "doors unopened" and "untapped" part, lead me to believe that there is something important from an earlier TTA video or entry that we missed. I mean, if the creators are prodding us so hard in this fashion, then it must be something really obvious that has just been overlooked. Since TTA mentioned "listen to it all", I'm thinking there might be something to do with the music in his videos or some message hidden in the audio distortions of both TTA and Jay's videos.

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 		What if TTA is primarily communicating to Jay, though? 'there are doors left unopened' has already been answered by #23.

'listentoitall' is different. It came from much earlier in the series, didn't it? There could be things left untapped that we either haven't solved, or that we've solved but haven't presented in the right fashion.

The 'alex is the ark!' bit has been mentioned, yep. Some people think it's trite because it's so obvious. I don't agree with them -- the creators seem to like to point things out in their own way. XD That's only an opinion, though. Nobody has found out if Alex's middle name begins with an 'R' or if it's relevant at all.

JKat and I were talking about the aspects of fire that we see in the series. She mentioned that she thinks that fire was important to the original Slendy mythos. If that is the case, then it could be that the creators were working fire into the series for backstory purposes, but it may not have any bearing on the current story line!

Also, this is again leap-frogging off of brainfarts, but regarding the ark, and the obvious relationship between it and water. Since the story of Noah and the ark was largely a 'lol, reset time!' analogy, what if uniting this story's water with its ark is going to result in a similar reset? Maybe not via time travel, but we see frequent mention of memory loss and losing time (probably due to forgetting about it.) Maybe once TTA has found the ark, he can set things straight; Slendy will be nullified (00000000 etc. XD) and they can all go on with their lives, not having remembered anything? I'm just trying to come up with reasons that TTA is being so abstract with Jay to begin with... simply telling him that is probably not going to get Jay to agree to go along with him, right?

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 		Yeah, I've been a bit confused as to TTA's behavior as well. He normally is kind of direct, but his newest stuff seems to be kind of abstract and artsy. What if there is a different person controlling TTA's YT account? I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned or not; I've been looking more through the older threads than the recent ones.

Regarding fire, I'm pretty sure that there was something about a fire at a school in the original mythos, though I could be wrong. I'll have to look over everything again.

The ark/water theory you have there actually sounds pretty sound. I mean, the main things that seem to hold importance in the series are "ark" and "operator", neither of which have been really well-defined, so that makes me think that we need to try and figure out what those really mean. I've read the speculation, and I'm not sure there's really much farther we can go. It seems you guys have already examined those to the furthest extent.

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 		In the Slenderman mythos, there was a fire. A library/school (I can't remember which) caught on fire in California and there were two pictures retrieved from and near the scene of the fire which have Slender in the background.

And dealing with water, I remember one of the earlier videos, Jay and Alex were at the gazebo on the set of MH and Jay zoomed in to a creek near it and it caused some audio distortion.

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phantom321 wrote:
In the Slenderman mythos, there was a fire. A library/school (I can't remember which) caught on fire in California and there were two pictures retrieved from and near the scene of the fire which have Slender in the background.

I believe that there's different stories; one with a library and another with a school, but yes. They burn down and there are photographs that contain our good friend in the background. There's children in front of him in both pictures, if I am recalling them correctly.

I believe there was a TTA video which featured prominent Morse code (something about two lights flickering, in this formation: // if anyone recalls it) that was never decoded. Could anyone give a direct transcription of the results? I don't recall finding them on the thread, just "this doesn't make sense," or something like that. But if my information is outdated, never mind me~

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 		Was that the one that translated to 'YAMA' or something like that?

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 		No, YAMA (or YAGA) were from Program. I think someone once tried to translate the flashing lights, but the code came out as gibberish.

It might not hurt to try decoding again.

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 		There isn't much logic in SM being a fire spirit. If you think of it, water is fluid, adaptability and fire is rage, violence. SM is everything but fierce. He is very, patient and erodes the mind of the ones that he follows.

SM myth was created* by different sources, so we can't count much on all of those things. We have to keep working on SM as described on MH.

The TTA's videos have a lot of intersting things, but I think it should be worked on the wiki, if it's open to anyone.

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 		No, I'm pretty sure it isn't YAMA/YAGA. I'm not good with Morse code, so I was wondering if someone could look at it and give a straight transcription; even if it appears to be "gibberish," it may simply be that you're meant to manipulate the straight transcription in order to have it make sense.

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 		Seraphic Adonis, not to be a killjoy and off topic, but your posts in pale magenta are extremely hard to read against the cream coloured background. :c

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 		Whoops, sorry about that ;P I post in orchid over at some other forums, but didn't really take into account the cream-coloured background.

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