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badluckshadow13
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Mithost wrote:
Slender freak wrote:
I really dont like where MarbelHornets is going, because it is starting to add Lost elements to it. Im ok with minor time travel logic but not cross interdimensional time travel.


I haven't read through the responses past this, but I wanted to mention, because I've seen several of these posts - time/dimension travel is NOT something that's unique to Lost, by ANY means. Lost did it VERY poorly, but I really don't see ANY parallels between MH and Lost, other than the fact that teleportation and possibly time travel happens, which happens in plenty of science fiction. Some do it better, some do it worse. It's difficult to tell how well MH is doing it, since we aren't even positive if time travel is happening yet. (I think my point is that time/dimension travel doesn't automatically mean it's ripped a page from Lost's book and is therefore terrible.)

Also, consider that this is clearly a science fiction narrative. Just look at Slendy for evidence of that. Within the parameters of sci fi, there are certain things you have to give more leeway for. So I guess I'm really not getting why you're complaining about more science fictiony stuff in a science fictiony story, when everything about Slendy seems to be so far above our human comprehension already.

I hadn't considered MH at all sci fi, and I'm a fan of the genre.

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Spritey wrote:
They have to keep introducing new plot devices, otherwise the story would just get boring.


THIS. Smile

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All I can hear from the people whining about how MH is supposed to have any semblance of realism is "BAAAWWWWW ICAN'TPRETENDTHISCOULDHAPPENTOMENOW!" to which I can promptly reply "Stop being idiots and enjoy it."

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"Awesome. A story about an interdimensional faceless being who stalks and does who-knows-what to random victims. Wait, teleportation??? Well that's just faggotry!!!"

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Demongel wrote:
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All I can hear from the people whining about how MH is supposed to have any semblance of realism is "BAAAWWWWW ICAN'TPRETENDTHISCOULDHAPPENTOMENOW!" to which I can promptly reply "Stop being idiots and enjoy it."


Well said. (tips hat)

Edit: (also tips hat to the poster after that.)

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So...how 'bout that music? Has anyone made it not all distorted yet?

I'd mess around with it myself, but I don't have any audio programs.

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celticsfan87 wrote:
it seems obvious that the MH guys are making us think Jay is teleporting.


i agree with this.

Spritey wrote:
The teleportation is no longer a theory, it's a confirmed plot device. That was the sole purpose of entry 24.


I disagree with this. Just because you say it is confirmed, doesn't make it so. I think there is something else going on, teleportation just doesn't seem to fit into the theme of the rest of the series. The beginning was horror and mystery, adding teleportation to the mix seems trite.

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MagicNein wrote:
So...how 'bout that music? Has anyone made it not all distorted yet?

I'd mess around with it myself, but I don't have any audio programs.


I listened to an audio rip that someone on SA had done, and it sounded like old-timey movie music. Like, Gone with the Wind style music. That's how it sounds to me, but then again I can barely hear it over the whooshing and whah-whahing of the distortion.

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Demongel wrote:
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All I can hear from the people whining about how MH is supposed to have any semblance of realism is "BAAAWWWWW ICAN'TPRETENDTHISCOULDHAPPENTOMENOW!" to which I can promptly reply "Stop being idiots and enjoy it."


Not everyone is going to be happy with every entry. Respect their opinions, there's no need to mock them.

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Spritey wrote:
KiteRider wrote:
sorry if it was mentioned, but i was thinking something like this from entry 22 was possibly in the tv?



I hadn't thought of that, nice!


The hell? I brought that up four posts before yours. Maybe try reading the full discussion before you reply to someone else.

Also, teleportation is very likely a plot device. Doesn't mean we shouldn't hear alternative theories and be open to them. Though simply denying something that has been more or less explicit, without anything solid to back you up simply because you don't want it to be so is just kind of pushing it.

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TheAtroxious wrote:
The hell? I brought that up four posts before yours. Maybe try reading the full discussion before you reply to someone else.

Also, teleportation is very likely a plot device. Doesn't mean we shouldn't hear alternative theories and be open to them. Though simply denying something that has been more or less explicit, without anything solid to back you up simply because you don't want it to be so is just kind of pushing it.


sorry... people make mistakes...

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I love how angry people get over what is essentially a series of youtube videos...

Anyway for all those saying that it is "ridiculous" to say teleportation couldn't be part of a series about a huge faceless being, I agree it's not entirely ridiculous but at the same time the series was previously about something utterly unknown in an otherwise realistic world, with the added psychological aspect of Jay/Alex/Tim(?)'s possible descent into madness - which I think is what people meant by the 'realism' of the series, it COULD be that it is all in Jay or Alex's head for example, but the idea of teleportation ruins that.

That said I'm not dismissing it and I realise I'm going to get insulted since it's apparently a 'confirmed plot device'.

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It could be in J's or Alex's head? What about, y'know, the fact that this stuff is regularly caught on video to be plainly seen by us muggles?

And as for something utterly unknown in an otherwise realistic world, you could apply that to the teleportation as well. Sure, it's a more sci-fi or fantasy-esque plot point than most of what we've seen, but it's not like most people in the MH world are teleporting. It's a weird phenomenon that has only been associated with the already reality-bending presence of Slenderman.

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Don't worry about the bitching and bawwing, people will do it for either side. ^^ It's only natural to get frustrated when something you thought was happening in an ambiguous series is getting bashed by someone else.

Anyways, we can always look at the pros and cons for either side. (I'm perfectly fine with the series using teleportation as a means for The Horror™, but since we're unforumites and we doesn't afraid of anything, debating for different ways that the story could turn seems only natural!)

Please help me fill these out because I am very apt to miss something! (Please note that these are all dismissing time travel as a viable theory. I just don't feel like we have enough evidence to argue that time travel is under way, here!)

Pros for teleportation:
-Jay gives us evidence (he goes so far as to repeat it twice) in #24 that his door is opening and he's going through it on one side, and the door is not opening (though it is making a closing sound) on the other.
-In Entry #23, Jay seems to 'warp' between rooms, then into the closet, then in to Slendy's domain.
-In #14, Slendy wanders into Alex's room and disappears moments after he moves out of the frame.
-In #13/Exit, Alex is both next to the swimming facility and another camera is apparently filming Jay some distance from where Alex is running around; IF Alex is TTA then he would have had to warp in order to get that far.
-In #10, Alex is apparently running from Slendy. Slendy seems to move quite quickly without apparently running, something that we know that he can resort to from #4

Cons for teleportation:
-In #24 the door closes audibly from the camera focused on it, which may suggest that the visuals were looped but the audio was not replaced.
-In #23 it has been suggested that Jay is being blacked out and brought back (along with his camera) by Masky, TTA, Slendy, or whomever during his 'warps'. The fact that the light changes from warp to warp could suggest that instead of teleporting, he is conscious, then turns off the camera when 'blacked out', brought back to consciousness in a similar place, etc. The 'warp' to Masky's closet could just as easily have occurred when Masky brought him there.
-#14 is hard to explain without the use of teleportation, but just because Slenderman can do it doesn't mean that Jay is doing so now. It could be that instead of literally teleporting, Slendy disappeared into Alex's mind, hence the head stigmata. (Wow, and teleporting sounded like a lame theory!)
-#13's teleportation requires Alex to be TTA. If TTA is more than one person working in cahoots, then at the time that Alex was filming around the pool complex, another person could be watching Jay.
-In #10 we only get brief glimpses of Slendy. He could have run while Alex was running, and went still when he went still. Pretty standard hunting technique I would imagine. Razz

Pros for mundane intervention:
-We already know that TTA is proficient at video editing and has a knowledge base that extends past what Jay seems able to comprehend, as a character.
-We know that Masky is somehow able to enter Jay's house and knows where he lives.
-Masky was aware that Jay was taping himself before Jay announced it to the world via youtube -- he was looking directly at the camera in #19.
-The timer on the cameras changes three separate times in #24, something that is definitely odd, and (I don't think) makes sense to explain away with teleportation. Video distortion, maybe, but it is more like TTA's 000000 obsession than the usual static pop-fizz that we get in straight-up video distortion.
-We see that Jay tends to not remember things when Masky is around. Right up from his first encounter in #18, he starts to black out when Masky enters the equation. The first time he feels that he was hallucinating, the more recent times he doesn't remember even seeing him to begin with.
-It could follow to reason that with these facts, Masky and/or TTA (whether or not they're one and the same) was able to get into Jay's house
a) cause Jay's surveillance cameras to loop while he was transporting (not teleporting) Jay.
b) went back after the fact and edited the tape's visual.

Cons for mundane intervention:
-SLENDER MAN IS SLENDER MAN. (Really this is the biggest one. He's such a missingno that we have no idea what he's capable of.)
-Masky's ability to conk Jay out could be supernatural. If that's the case, then he may as well be able to teleport.
-There is some evidence that some members of Marble Hornets are not well. Illnesses are sometimes communicable, and in this case it seems that the illness is linked with Slendy's presence. Could it be that he's passing on some odd teleportation-like folds in space and that is linked to the illnesses?
-The narrative element in the story seems to point out that teleportation is a very likely event. While TTA has given us information that Jay can not be trusted, Jay has video evidence of what happened. If it is being lampshaded on a meta level, it seems likely that simple mundane intervention is only playing a minor role here, if any.

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Alright, I'll admit "it was all a dream" isn't a very credible theory Wink

Actually the more I think about it the more I think it's the word 'teleport' that bugs me than the actual theory - it's just too sci-fi-y for my liking. In a way if you assume that he CAN change height etc., it does seem he has a kind of power over space that humans don't - as well as the ability to move very quickly from place to place unseen for example. I have a feeling it will be just me that likes this idea, but I kind of like to think he has the same screwy effect over time etc. that he does over video cameras - be it intentional or not.

And if it's unintentional it logically follows that slenderman just wants to make friends and keeps accidentally transporting people miles away by accident.

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